Pfft. I don't even know with any reliability "what" the common Chinese view is as against that of CCP. That's the beauty of autocracies. If tomorrow CCP decides to sell Tibet to India, I am pretty sure most of the Chinese will be here defending such stupid decision. I mean do they even have a choice?Name me one single case in foreign affairs that CCP makes the decision against the view of Chinese public.
If this is the attitude of the average Chinese, I am pretty glad that all countries of the Asia Pacific rim are readying themselves for gangbanging PRC.we dont need you to sincerely recognize Chinese sovereignty over south China Sea. If endorsement from India is a must, China could do nothing.
I am asking how do you think of Vietnam's reclamation work on the reefs? Vietnam's island building is not destroying the environment?
what a crap!
I love to see you clowns jumping up and down as China is gaining defacto control over SCS.
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Are you sure that there is absolute no difference and nothing to differentiate between Communist Chinese and Non Communist Chinese. Not sure if it is fair to say this but I feel you are pretending to be ignorant. And also there is no difference in approach to India for both groups. I do respect your opinions but there is no need to create a ambiguity for fear of being wrong and don't be afraid of being honest.What is the difference India means to Communist Chinese and Non Communist Chinese? Nothing! India is the same for both groups (Actually it is quite hard to tell who is Communist Chinese and who is non communist Chinese. It is more like today's left party and right party among Westerners): A foreign country.
The hatred is more like the feeling between Indian and Pakistani, or even worse.
Dislike is more like the relationship between you and your girlfriend's ex-boyfriend who is still trying to get her back by disgracing you.
When doing business, they are all the same.
Buddy hold on - wait. "you jealous indians". What are you saying. Why are we jealous ... do you mind to elaborate
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Did you read what I wrote? I said:"Are you sure that there is absolute no difference and nothing to differentiate between Communist Chinese and Non Communist Chinese. Not sure if it is fair to say this but I feel you are pretending to be ignorant. And also there is no difference in approach to India for both groups. ......
Why there is no CPC Hong Kong, CPC Taiwan, CPC Macau ...
So, you get my point: Chinese doesn't hate India. The worst case is that Chinese may dislike India.2. I dont really understand the disliking part ... i would have confidence in my girl friend being faithful and abiding by principles of righteousness and fearing the consequence of doing anything wrong. Being truthful and doing the right thing ... a ex-boy friend that has mental issues would not make any difference to a girl friend that has a strong bond and trust in her boy friend fear nothing. Plus we are taught from our ancient scriptures about family and doing the right thing and being truthful (some of which have been translated for Communist and Non Communist Chinese benefit).
I think the better template is envy and jealousy that you are combing into dislike. It is a hybrid of such. But again i dont think that there is even dislike between Chinese and Indians. CPC and Government of India sure that is different. Again CPC is all Chinese. CPC is 86.7 million people. You are saying 10% more Chinese people dislike Indians.
No, making money was the primary reason that the whole reform started---the PRC economy was on the edge of collapse in late 1970s. No one is shamed about this. In 1980s, putting all your family wealth into private business was still quite risky decision. CCP had to ask her members to play the pioneers, some of them did get rich, some lost all the money and some turned to be corruptive. Today, being a communist Chinese doesn't necessarily mean you can only work for CCP.3. Are Communist Chinese better business-people compare to Non Communist Chinese.
You say they are the same. Again dont pretend to be ignorant.
I would not make the policy decision of making southern PRC a manufacturing hub to be a business decision and making money. Sure it can be entitled to such a grouping because a lot of money has been made. But making money was not the primary reason. Even now making money is not primary reason for Communists (CPC). But for non-communist and majority of Chinese making money is (major) primary reason. And frankly many are really good at it. And there is no shame about that.
Basically, CCP's view is: the only way to protect the domestic solidity is making people rich by making lots of money LEGALLY. So, to them, these 2 are the same.What happens when Communist Chinese is given only one choice either (i) make lots of money and (ii) protect the domestic solidity.
Why not possible? People only join the CCP after 18, which means they receive the same education as others.Thats when we observe the Communist Chinese (is it upgrading) becomes a Non-Communist Chinese ... they become Special. A Communist Chinese cannot be a good business person because it is simply impossible:
Don't understand what you are talking about here. Where did I say anything about being special?The Special Trinity of Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau and their Special agreements and Special Constitutions.
...... Chinese people and Indian people can do a lot and work together and frankly it is such a shame that we dont do it more often.
Don't understand what you are talking about here. Where did I say anything about being special?
What special treatment? Simply because they were not ruled by CCP before 1990s and CCP has no intention replicate its own system in these areas.Only two points:
1) Why is HK, Taiwan and Macau foreign affairs to PRC. Again why the Special and different treatment. What happen to One China. What happen to CPC Hong Kong, CPC Taiwan and CPC Macau. Is CPC specially special (a apparatus above the Hong Kong locals, Taiwan locals, Macua locals).
Does it matter? I don't understand how this is related to our discussion here.I know you know that the Hong Kong locals, Taiwan locals, Macua locals have some really smart business, technical, and intellectual people (more on that later) but they are not Communists. How many Communists are there in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macua. Are they member of CPC Hong Kong, CPC Taiwan and CPC Macau. Why 100% of population of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macua not Communists. How many are Communists. There is no difference between Communist and Non-Communist Chinese.
What is difference between an Indian working in Tata and another who is working in a small countryside factory?You are affirming that a Communist is different from a Non-Communist.
Basically, voluntary. No examination is a part of the procedure. Majority of CCP members are from peasants, workers and soldiers who never took these exams.How do you join the CPC. Is it voluntary is it selection. I would place firmly in the center the university examination entrance test and government and foreign service examination to this selection procedure and most importantly the family pre 1980 communist connection (50% weight-age).
There is no selection and training is flawless, but selection and training is far better than no selection and training.You are also making a strong presumption that the selection and training is flawless.
How does McDonald promote her own employee? You perform well in your position and prove your potential for a greater duty, you will receive some trainings or even university education. When the time comes that you are listed as the candidate for a senior position. If you win in voting among your bosses, you will receive another career training to help you prepare for the new job.We can for now look at the word selection. Selection implies the person being selected is accommodating and voluntary and fit for the long-term. Selection also implies there is a standard process and no deficiency. What is that. How does CPC select its members. Can CPC make mistakes.
Don't you agree that all CCP did in the past 30 years already turned China to a capitalism country? Do you think they archive this by a group of people know nothing about Capitalism?Greed is a symptom of capitalism and such people might enter the CPC and game its workings to rise and you are saying that a good business person can be a Communist. A state-owned corporation are the CEO and Board Members all Communist.
Well, for ordinary CCP members, they started as any other ordinary Chinese--working in an ordinary position: you can work hard for promotion or you can be a lazy ass staying in the ground floor for all your life. You don't need to worry about your membership unless you commit a crime. Again, there is no official exam within CCP system. You working performance is the exam. You want to climb the ladder? Prove yourself.A Communist impossible to become a good business person because to join CPC the reason is not to be become a business person. The CPC is a membership club that needs to survive and having a family member makes loyalty easier frankly and easier control since the qualification is not relative to a person that scores high on a university examination entrance test and government and foreign service examination. Sure we can transform a cat into a tiger they are linked by DNA.
Wrong, Deng is the last one has the power to select. He died 20 years ago. After him, it was the CCP central committee is selecting the leaders not some "elders".I am not saying a Tiger cannot be created in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau.
The current leaders of CPC have old school master overview who are wise and pragmatic because of hardship and frankly they have seen a lot. These "elders" are what drive PRC at this moment.
But these "elders" dont select people any longer. They know that after they are gone ...
Today, around 70% of Chinese still support CCP's ruling. So, HK, Taiwan and Macau doesn't matter to CCP's legitimacy.The earlier part of CPC Hong Kong, CPC Taiwan and CPC Macau is critical because the leader of PRC has to tell the world he is leader of One China and all Chinese people. That is the weapon of staying in power and having value of CPC and frankly having any people of substance showing any inclination to join them. Once the people of Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau and even PRC question why Communist and capability of Communist because most Chinese are Non-Communist ... why the CPC representing all of Chinese to the world ... already the thin red line is stretching. Taiwan reason to affirm One China is absolutely different to why PRC affirm One China. What about Hong Kong and Macau. Are they having One China approach of Taiwan <-> PRC.
Thanks for replying. Also i love to read your response and in fairness they are structured and with definition and you understand the flavor of the position. I will say if you are able to recognize that means it is not fictional.What special treatment? Simply because they were not ruled by CCP before 1990s and CCP has no intention replicate its own system in these areas.
Today, around 70% of Chinese still support CCP's ruling. So, HK, Taiwan and Macau doesn't matter to CCP's legitimacy.
A. They are not the same. Communist and Non-Communist Chinese are not the same. All Chinese are not Communist. No doubt since you have agreed to that already. The membership of CPC displays that.
A. Please be careful in not acknowledging the non-communist Chinese. If they discover and understand that all the credit and ignorance of others is going to Communist Chinese how do you think they will react. Simply making the non-communist be a CPC member and giving perks destabilizes your selection theory (Jacky Chan is best example i use).
There is many of these in Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong. They might ask why Communist and CPC think they are great they would not be anything without them in the past, present and future
I am sure when Non-Communist Chinese deal with Communist Chinese business people they think they are the same.
You also touch a wonderful analysis on CPC selection. Appreciation especially knowing now that Majority of CPC members are from peasants, workers and soldiers. It must be hard to find peasants, workers since the economy and PRC is doing really well. The CPC selection is the most critical and significant parameter for development and continued PRC direction.
You refer to the CPC central committee but how many of these are selected by Deng, and Zemin. Zemin needs to get more credit for what he did and the (better) people that coming through now are having his credentials. Use of CPC central committee he must be laughing himself. Poor guy.
He was perhaps the most similar to Chiang Ching-kuo and lee hsien loong and Park Geun-hye but without the final end product (the transition) and he ought to have been given much longer. For him to do what he did was testament for him to see if CPC central committee works. And I would not be surprised if his affirmation is Communists are not good business people. He must also feel Non-Communist are not Communist. He will think all Chinese are not Communists. He knows CPC is 86.7 million membership. The reason why (*****) see below came into power and Zemin had to make way is the underpinning of why Communist CPC working but he must think it is not right. Did he do a Tony Blair because of some gentleman agreement. Did the CPC select his replacement.
I refer a example:
Group 1:
Qian Qichen * ......
The quality of group 1 is exponentially higher. In fact Group 1 is the reason why i have faith in PRC and it being pragmatic and appropriate still with good decision making.
You also remind me of a wonderful story i read long ago. It is about beauty, intelligence and being wise. Sometimes it brings pain and hardship because others take advantage of it and also recognize it.
The story of Zhen Huan, from a kind and innocent girl, growing into a calculating woman in the palace; and through her intelligence, recovering from multiple times of losing power. In the end, she reaches the peak and becomes the absolutely powerful Empress Dowager, when she is left with only the bitter loneliness in the palace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empresses_in_the_Palace
Someone told me that the story was a copy of a story from India. When i heard someone tell me that i thought that is even more dramatic.
1) Are you saying that all and every members of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, National People's Congress, National Congress of the Communist Party of China members have absolute no allegiance to being a Communist and the CPC. You have declared Communism to be finished and killed in PRC. Amazing.First time I hear that it is a copy of India story. And I check through internet, nowhere to find this statement. Hardly to believe that because it looks like a combination of true historical cases of several famous Chinese empress .
Wu was the concubine of Emperor Taizong. After his death, she married his successor and ninth son, Emperor Gaozong, officially becoming Gaozong's furen (variously translated as "empress", "wife", or "first consort") in 655, although having considerable political power prior to this. After Gaozong's debilitating stroke in 690, Wu Zetian ruled as sovereign until 705.[12]
Born in 1953 in Shaanxi Province, Xi went to work as a farmer from age 16 to 22, in Liangjiahe village in Shaanxi, as millions of high school students were sent from cities to the countryside during the Cultural Revolution.
1) Are you saying that all and every members of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, National People's Congress, National Congress of the Communist Party of China members have absolute no allegiance to being a Communist and the CPC. You have declared Communism to be finished and killed in PRC. Amazing.
2) What is your definition of a peasant since you are accommodating a large number of nearly 50% above total population to such a class. Would you say President Xi Jinping is a peasant. Was he one before. Who in the Central Politburo of the Communist Party of China and Standing Committee of the Central Politburo of the Communist Party of China was and is a peasant. Please name me some. Perhaps you can name the ones that were workers and soldiers (even less representative of the total population).
Are you saying a minority and niche group of people lead PRC. But Communism represent the people. The people are in control. How are the peasants represented in Central Politburo of the Communist Party of China and Standing Committee of the Central Politburo of the Communist Party of China please name the people.
3) Now lets take it to a more advanced level. We have touched base on Communist Chinese and Non-Communist Chinese being different. You are saying that the title is useless and in fact expired since current deposition and ideolgy states that there is no difference between Communist Chinese and Non-Communist Chinese and CPC is more like a special society where perks and benefits can be availed and we used the example of how Communist Business people are the same to Non-Communist business people. I beg to differ because it is ridiculous and you yourself consider yourself a Non-Communist. The Communist party like you say has 60 years of history - Not 26 years. In fact the pertinent history of Communist Party and CPC starts really from 2008.
Like you said the Communist and CPC think they are great and they have done it without anyone else help and support in the past, present and future
Please refer to the quote when you say "They are neither great in the past, nor will be great in the future."
On you reference to evidence it was provided earlier and it is available easily. The strong deposition to this is people from Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau think they are different. You saying that CPC ought to have been thanked for making PRC no.2 is like saying the British and Americans ought to be thanked and given power and land in PRC because it made Chinese people successful.
Please be careful the CPC and Communist Party since they are different and many of these in Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong and Southern PRC and Northern PRC might ask why Communist and CPC think they are great they would not be anything without them in the past, present and future.
5) Jiang Zemin ought to have got much more to 10 years in power. Why he did not. Why was he limited to 10 years. Why was he one to be limited to 10 years. Why he had to step down in 2003.
Was it because he voluntarily and thoughtfully thought of PRC future and that a system be in place that brings leadership change and transition every ten years. If he did that means he is even more special to Deng and what he sacrificed was greater (Deng remained in power behind the scense for much beyond 10 years). What he did was it a means to prevent a Zhao Ziyang, perhaps a 1989, perhaps even a Mao Zedong and dare you say a Deng. Why this new sudden approach. Are you saying someone trying to be a Deng. Is some group trying to be a Deng and having people take roles below them with ultimate overrule if something goes wrong.
Was it because of the intelligence of Jiang Zemin that Hu Jintao and Xi Jingping are in power. Like you said their is power balance among different groups. That is fine but did CPC select Jiang Zemin replacement. Who choose Jiang Zemin replacement. How and why was he choosen. The reason to that displaced and destroys the whole structure and approach of the CPC and "power balance among different groups" since it avails to a hoodwinked and propagandized outlook of the future from the present but nothing like what was decided in the past.
The reason that Jiang Zemin gave power to Hu Jintao has set a precedent and structure that means people have to give up power. ... The new approach has to fit in with dynamics that were not in play before 2003. I might even place a bet with someone that Xi Jingping stays beyond 10 years and beyond unofficial retirement age (that is obvious with many uncertainties and variables.)
Hu Jintao had a photographic memory some say. That is one smart chap. Yet many Communist and Non-Communist Chinese say he was not a good leader. Lucky for the 10 years obstacle.
6) No one knows the truth sure. But dont you think you being a Non-Communist Chinese you ought to know the transparent workings of the Central Politburo of the Communist Party of China and Standing Committee of the Central Politburo of the Communist Party of China. Perhaps the Communists Chinese don't want to share that with Non-Communists.
Thanks for reference also historical connection to Zhen Huan it is appreciated.okay my guess is @Compersion may have been muddled with quite a few things in your long write-up.
On Zhen Huan u might refer to Wu Zetian perhaps
Actually the prince (Gaozong) lost his head over Wu Zetian. Emperor Taizong (father) was very angry at the affair and sent her to a nunnery. Nobody expected Gaozong to succeed the crown at that time.
On CCP IMO it may be not a "textbook" communist party. Anyway just don't get cocooned into an "ideology" then go out to search a reality that perfectly matches the theory.
On Xi Jinping, yes he happened to be a peasant (farmer) for 6-7 years in a drought hit village.
http://contextchina.com/2012/11/ten-facts-about-chinas-incoming-leader-xi-jinping/
Thanks i love to read your post because i learn and gain knowledge. I will keep it short and might expand it later in the future. Iam wishing you are having a good weekend.No, Communism is not finished. All they declared is that Communism is not their goal at the CURRENT STAGE.
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