How left is destroying India by hiding Muslim population

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  1. Kshatriya87

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    http://yugaparivartan.com/2016/04/26/how-left-is-destroying-india-by-hiding-muslim-population/

    The liberal discourse in India hates to talk about the increasing Muslim numbers in India and if any evil RSS/BJP leader mentions it by mistake, it takes the whole liberal world by storm. What follows next is apologies and some number crunching. The entire number crunching exercise is to highlight that India is safe from the Muslim fertility bomb and that even if the current fertility trends continue it would take forever i.e. 2250 AD(not too far actually!) for Muslims to make Hindus minority(<50%) in India. The obvious next step after this number crunching exercise is to give out the disclaimer that given India is becoming richer these fertility trends will change i.e. they would come down for both Muslims as well as Hindus. What they forget to add to this disclaimer is- Muslim women will continue to pop out one more kid than their Hindu sisters, whether the latter’s TFR is 2 or 4.

    This whole number crunching exercise above actually goes completely against the liberal agenda if you look at it closely. The standard liberal argument should go something like this- Diversity is good for the nation and India is a plural country and Hindus should stop claiming it exclusively for themselves. We love Biryani as much as we love Halwa and there should be no problem even if Muslims becomes majority i.e. more than 50%. Sadly, this argument is so stupid that it would be unpalatable even for the dumbest and most secular Hindu. Even the most secular Hindu knows what happens to minorities in Muslim majority countries. A quick look at their neighbours like Pakistan and Bangladesh gives them a glimpse about their future under a Muslim majority. Since it is difficult to sell usefulness of excess Biryani, the liberal number crunchers resort to another technique to fool gullible Hindus. This second technique involves to prove how the fascists Hindu Organizations are wrong about the Muslim fertility bomb and that Muslims cannot take over India before 200 years. As if 200 years is a long time but probably it is long enough to put the gullible Hindu into a long deep slumber.

    Read Demographic Siege of Al-Hind

    But those who are not gullible very well understand how bogus these number crunching exercises are.Muslims do not have to attain 50% population to enforce their agenda. Given their deep belief in Islam and commitment to resort to violence to enforce it, their nuisance value increases exponentially with their actual numbers. Let’s look at some of the historical events to understand this assertion:

    1) What better example than Partition of India in 1947. Muslim population was roughly 25% of pre-partition India but they decided that they could not live with their Hindu neighbours. One does not need lessons to explain how Muslims went on implementing their partition agenda over the dead bodies of millions of people.

    2) Dungan Jihad in China where less than 10% of Muslim population caused massive riots and unrest for 15 years before getting crushed by the then Qing regime

    There are many more examples from history and recent events which clearly show how Muslims punch well above their weight i.e. their population percentage. The halal label on products in western countries with less than 5% Muslim population is just another example of the clout of Muslim lobbies. At less than 15% in India they have already forced all secular parties to host Iftaar parties and their leaders to sport skull caps. One can easily imagine how Muslims will get rid of these secular parties once they can support a new Muslim League. The rapid rise of AIMIM profile offers a glimpse into the future of democratic politics in India. Don’t be surprised if AIMIM is replaced by its more vulgar cousin as the number of pockets with Muslim majority areas increases with time.

    Lets now look at the future of Muslims voters in India. Mulayam and Mayawati with less than 20% core voters are able to come to power and dominate the agenda in a first past the post democratic system. Keeping this cutoff in mind, lets look at 0-4 year population cohort of Muslims in 2011 census and identify districts with more than 20% Muslim kids. These same kids will reach voting age in less than two decades.

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    Source: 2011 Census data
    A total of 111 districts fall under red i.e. will have more than 20% Muslim population in 20-24 age cohort in 2031. This coalition of voters would become the major block to be wooed by the political parties. So one can imagine how politics will change with this huge demographic shift. Not only there would be many more Muslims in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha, but the troubling part is that they will control local politics in a lot of these red districts. But an even gloomier picture emerges from the urban areas, often populated by the sickular class and Islam apologists.

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    Source: 2011 Census data
    In the above figure you can see that a total of 246 districts have more than 20% Muslims in 0-4 age cohort in urban areas. Technically speaking, urban centres would be much more dominated by Muslim politics as compared to unwashed Hindu masses in the villages. Given more Hindus are tied to their lands and migrate less to urban areas compared to Muslims, these figures will only get worse for urban areas. So in roughly two decades half of the urban areas will have Muslim mayors, halal meat, pork ban and burqa. No amount of development will protect Freedom of Speech as it will become a historical relic. Funny thing is that this will happen right under the nose of urban secular Hindus, who have more or less given up on having children. You might bash Sakshi Maharaj’s suggestion for having four kids today, but he will have the last laugh if Hindus do not course correct their behaviour.

    Now let’s come to the last part in this debate. Given that facts and history stand on our side, the liberal commentators will accuse realists of scaremongering. But whether we discuss this problem or not there are only two ways out of it. One, understand the reality that Muslims don’t have to become a majority i.e. 50% before demanding Sharia and hence realists should start confronting this problem now or two, put our heads in the sand and ignore the problem to exacerbate it and leave for our future generations to solve. The choice is well laid out in front of current generation of Hindus. And the most important part is that one does not need to do number crunching for doomsday prediction because the current TFR difference between Hindus and Muslims is more than enough to generate pockets of unrest throughout the country in next two three decades.

    Given these facts, the leftist cabal will go in overdrive to pin blame on Hindus for scaremongering and how this scaremongering is what will cause a civil war. But this is absolutely non-sense looking at historical evidence. The partition of India happened despite Hindu attempts to reconcile with the Muslims who wanted partition. Contrary to the beliefs of leftist traitors, who want to sacrifice millions of lives and dignity of our grandchildren at the altar of their self-hating cultural Marxist ideology, their strategy of sucking up to Muslims will only backfire. Even in 1947, the Hindu strategy of appeasement was behind emboldening the mullahs for more riots. But it seems like the lessons of Mopallah rebellion and Direct Action Day have been completely forgotten by the current generation of Hindus.

    If the liberal apology of Muslim womb bomb goes unaddressed for too long, Hindus will actually come across as weak which would further embolden the Muslims and finally culminate into a civil war and another partition. How else can you explain that Muslims held Hindus hostage and drove them out of Kashmir in a Hindu majority country? Compare and contrast it with how China is handling them. It is making the Muslims dance and parade in the streets by asking them to swear that they will not teach religion to their children. Xinjiang which was predominantly Muslim in 1949 is less than 50% today.

    The worst part of this liberal apology is that none of these seculars bother to put the important facts in the public domain specially about the rise of Muslim population in concentrated pockets. Much before Muslims become 25% of India, they would have already become a troubling majority with massive 40-50% population in places like Kerala, West Bengal and West Uttar Pradesh.

    Now you can link the phenomenon of Azad Kerala to the Muslim population of 25% there. Such a chant was unimaginable even in 1947 but it is a shocking reality today. Also note that in Kerala Muslim women, despite their good education and wealth, still pop out one more kid than their Hindu or Christian counterparts. Do these secular apologists now want Keralite Hindus to be driven out of their homes like Kashmiri Pundits were driven out in 1990s? Even though Keralite Hindus brought it upon themselves in the name of Marxism, it should still ring alarm bells for Hindus who don’t want to risk the lives of their future generations. Interestingly enough Kashmiri Pundits were one of the best leftist apologists of Islamism and Islam during the 1970s, not very different from the current generation of Mallus and Bengalis, who prefer intellectual masturbation of secularism and Marxism over common sense.

    By the way, demographic seige is not just an Indian phenomenon either. The process of Islamisation by Muslim womb is a time tested technique perfected by Mullahs. They turned a 100% Christian Turkey into a 99% Muslim shit hole it is today, within a matter of 600 years. The Coptic Christians also faced similar fate in Egypt even after paying Jaziya for centuries and are a tiny minority today. Do you really think India will be any different or 250 years is a long time according to you in the history of civilization and one should not bother? If liberal Hindus want to sacrifice the honour of their daughters and grand daughters for their political correctness and ideology, they should at least be honest about it rather than mask reality through bogus number crunching and abusing realists by calling them scaremongers. Actually, these leftist thugs are driving India towards civil war by hiding crucial facts from Hindus, who should maintain demographic superiority to avoid this problem of Muslim population bomb.

    Even if it is indeed scaremongering, it is better to be a scaremongering realist who wants to save the future of his children than be a politically correct leftist who wants to sacrifice their future just to earn brownie points for his ideology.
     
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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    have a colleague here who is kind of anupam kher-like - "Govt.'s doing good, just the Sakshi Maharaj types should be taken care of." today am gonna give him a brief tutorial on how not to be an apologist, and explain a bit to him about such demographic data and its implications, as above.
     
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    Click on the "demographic seige" up their in the article as well. It shows some more maps with population distribution in detail.

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    thanks; have been through that article in more ways than one. ;)
     
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    That's actually BJP's official view, they are deliberately promoting that view by proxy of promoting those who espouse it, on multiple channels. Anupam Kher, Tarek Fatah, Chetan Bhagat and many other self-declared BJP fans are promoting the view that Modi wants to work, but it's these annoying Hindu pests that are flying in his face and stalling the development work. Just go to twitter and complain about Ram Temple not being built, you will receive dozens of replies, almost all of them from BJP-fans accusing you of indulging in communalism. "It's religious bigots like you who are an impediment in the development agenda, you are causing embarrassment to Modi ji" they will tell you. These are BJP accounts mind you, not Congress, Commies or AAPtards. So, BJP used the Hindu vote to come to power, now they want to become secular to expand their vote bank and dump the persistent vote bank.

    This is not mere speculation, Modi did the same in Gujarat. Once he was voted, he clamped down on VHP very hard. More temples were demolished during his time than all of Congress time combined. Since he has branded himself as a right-wing politician he can make such moves without people raising any questions, all at the expense of Hindus of course. The only time they pay attention to Hindus is when we revolt. It can be an electoral revolt like Delhi and Bihar or a social media revolt as happened when they hired Nandita Das. BJP is trying to blunt out the Hindu agenda to mold itself into the shoes of Congress. It's just that Hindus lack the critical thinking to see this tactic. At the same time he he making sure that all alternatives to BJP are being crushed. Shiv Sena is under immense pressure, first the BJP demolished them electorally by not allying with them in Maharashtra assembly polls. If they had, then BJP would have won 150+ seats and Shiv Sena would have won 80+ seats thereby giving a clear majority to BJP. But the calculations of BJP were so shrewd that they were willing to risk their easy majority by winning just ~120 seats just to see the Shiv Sena lose 20 seats, and they didn't mind if the Congress and NCP won 40 seats each. The game plan is to destroy Shiv Sena to prevent them from picking up the baton of Hindu nationalism in 2019 LS and 2020 assembly polls. They are trying to rebrand Shivaji as a secular icon to blunt out the ideological edge the Shiv Sena has. Please note Smriti Irani's speech in parliament when she says 'don't make it about us vs them'. She's in favor of twisting and covering history so that Muslims don't feel uncomfortable. Everyone missed that nuance, it was brilliantly caught by @Sakal Gharelu Ustad immediately after the speech was aired. So, instead of adding data about how Hindus were harassed during Islamic invasions, and Muslims being apologetic about it it's Hindus who have to take a step back and redact chapters of Shivaji killing Afzal Khan because "their delicate Muslim feelings might be hurt".

    The BJP is trying to monopolize on the Hindu vote bank, without doing anything for the Hindus, at the same time it is trying to kill potential competitors who could stake a claim on Hindu votes. So, when you say "there is no alternative", that's simply subterfuge because there will never be an alternative if BJP has its way. It will be too late before you realize and BJP will have become another Congress. It's 50% Congress already with closet Nehruvians like Rajnath, Sushma, Maneka and Jaitley.

    Bhakts are busy saying that Modi is building highways and roads. Roads toh road-contractor bhi bana leta hai, uske liye Modi ki kya jarurat hai? It all boils down to whether you have self respect or not. If you don't have an independent agenda/checklist to benchmark BJP's performance against, you will end up defending all their actions. Some are saying "core issue is to win 2019", that's subterfuge as well. If being reelected itself is part of the goal then it becomes a cyclic error (halting problem). So everything they do will have to be geared towards being reelected, instead of basing it on an objective checklist. Being reelected cannot be part of the agenda. The agenda is the agenda, you are deserving of another term only if you fulfill the agenda. Unless Hindus play the realpolitik game shrewdly, we have no hope.

    Here's the thing, road contractor can build roads but road contractor cannot build resettlement colonies for Kashmir Pandits, that's what Modi is for. Road contractor can build highways but he can't build Ram Mandir, that is what Modi is for. Same with Bangladesh fencing, same with UCC, RTE, and other issues which the BJP has conveniently sidelined because they know that even they have a vote bank who will vote for them blindly.
     
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    And yet, the districts where Hindus have become minority don't get minority rights. How convenient is it that simply by virtue of being a national minority, the Muslims are reaping benefits even in places where they are in majority. This is intolerable. We have to redefine majority-minority on a district level. Muslims cannot be given a blank check for being a minority, as if it's some achievement to be a minority. They themselves claim that they lived in India because they didn't want to go to Pakistan, no one invited them or requested them to stay. So don't expect special treatment (Haj tax, RTE), paid for by Hindu tax payers.
     
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    funnily, Raj. has a BJP govt., and there the Hindu orgs have had to stage protests against demolition of temples.
    its all sore lack of assertiveness.

    at my place a large demolition drive is underway apparently under some smart-city project. slums, shops are being demolished. y'day I spotted a fairly large mosque behind a façade of shops in a slum-area, which revealed itself when the front shops were razed down. lets see if they'll touch that.
     
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    Road widening again falls into the development agenda, it's the national duty of the government, it's not the core Hindu agenda. My core agenda by which I judge the govt is RTE, UCC, Ram Mandir, repeal minority tags for AMU, Jamia, remove state funds for Madrassa, remove state sponsored stipends for Madrassa teachers, remove tax on Amernat yatra, remove Haj subsidy, resettlement of Kashmir Pandits those are my redlines.

    They can demolish as many illegal structures as they want, ain't gonna faze me. Humse vote liya hai, humara kaam karo, otherwise be ready to forfeit our vote. We have lived as second class citizens since 1000 years now, the last thing we are going to tolerate is being punked by BJP. All options are open to us, there's Shiv Sena, there's VHS, there VHP, and I hope Vasundhara splits from BJP and forms her own party. Our patience is not unlimited.
     
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    We all know the situation and the disgusting future that lies ahead. Question is, what is the solution? We all have some solutions in mind. But who's gonna do what needs to be done? When?
     
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    If it was a temple, sure. It would be gone. Not a masjid though. NEVER.
     
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    in the Oct. 2015 Karnataka RSS meet the state-BJP chief told work on these issues will begin ahead in upcoming 5 years, ie, the next term. first 5 years (this term) exclusive towards identifying bad babus & moles within, and electrification + development-work. don't know why they seem so confident about having a next term, but if they are gonna take the c-system decimation-drive to conclusion by 2019, they should be. the period around that year would see the most action I surmise.
     
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    BJP se na ho payega. They have tasted great power now, their mouth is watering. They will make any compromise to stay in power.

    Interestingly there was such a project in the 70's during Indira's time where the US was providing us reproductive aid which was being used to sterilize people, many know this generic story but what most don't know is the specifics that this aid was specifically targeted in UP where a particular community was disproportionately responsible for adding to the pool of an already bloated population. The US was working on their Domino theory which said that once a country falls to communism then the neighboring country follows it and the leading cause of the spread of communist ideas was population explosion, illiteracy, poverty and ignorance (basically a large gullible population). All these conditions were unsurprisingly met by a particular community which has historically lived in UP in great numbers. The amusing thing is that they cut all aid for India during 1971 war, but they were so desperate that they still kept this particular 'UP aid' going on. Everyone knows what kind of a parasite this community is. Imagine if the US could see and act against the threat posed by this community from another continent then what we ought to be doing as the first hand victims of this population growth.

    If they grow too much, or even if they grow enough to climb to positions which give them oversight of our intel agencies, then all hope is lost (as it was, during UPA tenure). They will start making contacts with their brethren in Bangladesh, Pakistan, and start leaking information. It will be a free for all. Before that happens, the least we could do is get involved in Pakistan, break it into 4 nations, and write each of their constitution such that Sindh, Balochistan, Punjab, Pakhtunkhwa are forced to adopt Sindhi, Balochi, Punjabi and Pashto as their national language, and completely wipe out Urdu and Arabic from the subcontinent. Slowly cultivate regional pride and wean them away from Ummah.

    But wait, how can that happen when BJP is in power? the first thing this government did when they came to power in Maharashtra was to introduce Urdu in Marathi schools. No Bhakt protested then. It's a reverse rationalization fallacy where everything the BJP does is to be assumed as a de facto nationalist move, without any critical thinking. According to Bhakts, everything is hidden covert, Chanakya strategy.
     
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    Damn. Never thought of BJP this way. You are drastically changing my mind set.

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    so was it finally introduced? Eknath Khadse had drawn up a proposal AFAIR. this was followed by a threat to Urdu-medium schools to mandatorily teach Marathi.
     
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    And is Marathi being taught in Urdu schools? And in all the tussle here, where is Sanskrit?
     
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    No ullu banawing. Corruption is not a hardware that one can remove, corrput people don't come with a tattoo on their forehead and so, there is no way to judge if 'corruption has been removed'. I think Kejriwal used that plank and wore it out so much that no one will get fooled now. Removing corrupt babu is CAG's job, we don't need a political party to do that. Political party's job is to show vision. Once they say X project has to be constructed, if there is corruption done by cement man, or transport man, or labor man or the babu handling that project, then they will get handled by appropriate department, that is why we have (CAG, RTI, CBI, CBR, ACB) institutions in our country, it's not the designated job of a political party. If I find bug in by chocolate, I can get my issue resolved by filing case in consumer forum, I don't have to go to RSS shakha to resolve that issue. I hope RSS stops insulting our intelligence by giving such childish replies. 2019 se pehle jo karka hai karo, if people think you deserve a second term then you will get it. It seems they are taking people for granted by assuming that they will get a second term without doing anything in first term.

    Removing corruption as a poll promise is a fool's errand. It's like saying :

    "We will plant trees and remove carbon dioxide"

    "How much?"

    "A lot."

    Don't patronize the people like giving lollypop to small child and saying "beta, is term me nahi hoga, aur ek term dedo, next term me pakka karenge". That's just emotional blackmail. Is term mein tumse kuch kaam nahi hoga toh 2019 mein humse vote bhi nahi hoga.
     
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    I am surprised Punjab & Himachal is not shown in Map. Why Punjab and Himachal? These states were exclusively Non Muslim states in India after 47(barring very very minuscule local mulllah population ). Now the empty villages in Punjab and Himachal are being filled by muzzies. The fiist time I had heard azan and white capri wearing men, was when I visited Delhi for first time. Now when I visit Punjab, azans and white capris are common. In himachal where we not seen any Mosuqes, have multiple mosques!. Remember in Himachal, no outsider can buy land. But courtesy congress, virus has spread hinterland. The ISI wish is being fulfilled very well by Congi actions and BJP inactions. I just hope these people dissolve with local population, otherwise there is a powder keg situation that will develop in future(50-60 years)
     
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    Yes, Urdu was introduced in Marathi schools, a second language, which was usually Sanskrit/Hindi. So the child can opt for Marathi - Urdu (combo) now, as opposed to earlier combos (Marathi - Hindi OR Marathi - Sanskrit). So all pissfool seculars will tell their kids to opt for Urdu and this will allow for the widening of chasm between pissfools and Hindus because once you teach that language to them, it opens the doors to all the content written in Urdu, especially bad one, including Urdu papers in India and Urdu jihadi literature written by Hafis Saeed type people. Our national priority must have been to remove Urdu so that foreign ideas find it difficult to spread, instead, if our own government is promoting Urdu in India, then we are making it easy for terrorists to propagate their ideology. At the same time, Pakistan has passed resolution to make Urdu its national language, mandatory for all offices and schools. This was a golden opportunity for us to distance ourselves from it by banning Urdu to widen the gap between Pakistani muslim and Indian muslim. Seems like govt working in favor of Ummah. Or maybe even this is some covert Chanakya move. Everything is a covert Chanakya move when someone question's BJP's sickular policies. :pound:
     
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    bad babus & moles implied the entrenched c-system frogs awaiting return of the monsoon & the rain of favours they are habituated to. termites like the 'file-movers/destroyers', babus overreaching their scope, the snoops, etc., the kind of bhujbal's jail doc.

    am getting the impression that they are placing their cards on only one thing - give a proof of 'vikaas' first, make the seculars either irrelevant or atleast make them 'cross over', gain mass-approval, and based on this stamp then go ahead with the Indic agenda with lesser hue & cry. I don't think its going to work so easily, or even if at all.
     
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    same goes for the Konkan-Ratnagiri belt. take any train from Mumbai to goa. regions which otherwise would seem remote, you would find minarets & mosques have sprung up there! right in the hinterlands with no basti or slum around.
     
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