How have Russia and China resolved territorial disputes completely?

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  1. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    When I was a pupil in our textbooks China referred to "Nerchinsk Treaty" as the border demarcation between Russia and China made in 1689 , according to which China claimed a vast land till Sea of Japan including Vladivostok today (we called Haishenwai)

    But hundreds of years after that treaty China had been decaying all the time.... Then what mutual compromises/concessions have been made to solve all the disputes in a new world context?

    Background

    Full details ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Sino-Soviet_Border_Agreement

    May that shed a little light on possible Sino-India territorial solutions?
     
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  3. AkhandBharat

    AkhandBharat Regular Member

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    What are you trying to say???

    Sino-Indian disputes are not going to be settled anytime soon. It will only happen under one of the following conditions:

    1) China disintegrates in the future and Tibet goes free and India-Tibet border demarcation treaty comes into effect.
    2) China fights a war with India for settling its western borders in which case, it loses atleast a decade worth of growth.
    3) India disintegrates and China occupies everything it considers as its western border.

    It will not be settled peacefully, because China wants atleast Tawang in order to integrate Tibet fully and India is only willing to trade some of the unsettled land in AP for Aksai Chin.
     
  4. Rage

    Rage DFI TEAM Stars and Ambassadors

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    Perhaps.

    But here is what you must understand about us: We are not willing to give up another square-inch of our territory. Why? We believe we have already relinquished enough by acquiescing to Chinese occupation of Tibet- in return for a reciprocal understanding on our border areas, which ironically China, to our chagrin and both our perils, is threatening to violate. You may believe the 1962 war was a war for 'self-defence', but in our opinion, China's expansionist policies in Tibet, that culminated with it's occupation, necessitated a 'Forward Deployment' of our own*.

    *That acceptance btw, of Chinese occupation of Tibet, is purely with respect to its current occupation. It doesn't envisage a historical occupation, as indeed the Tibetans controlled Beijing for a limited time during a previous war. And it does not envisage an indefinite future occupation, as is evident in the fact that the Dalai Lama is being housed in our country. Most Indians permit solidarity with the Tibetans on the basis of a common culture and strain of religion. Nations rise, nations fall. And the behemoth today is the enemy tomorrow.

    - We are a large population with a steady landmass. Very soon, we are going to have a problem of 'Lebensraum'. As we perceive more threats to our territory from various quarters, diminished as it is because of Pakistan's occupation of a part of Kashmir, that middle-class electorate of Indians that command its politics will grow ever more aggressive, seeking greater involvement of the Army in the state- which, as we know is good for noone. Were it not for the pliant states with porous points of transit and entry & exit that surrounded us, we would have perhaps already gone to war. On the other hand, you have large, if treacherous land. And the fact that you can populate it leaves you greater room to maneuver.

    - Russia can afford to make concessions on land with some less pithy, simply because it is one gigantic landmass, with a limited population.

    - Any settlement on land will have to be not just equal, it will have to be to our relative advantage, which is clearly not forthcoming from China. Simply because the thing upon which we ponder settlement, is more scarce to us than it is to you.
     
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  5. raja696

    raja696 Regular Member

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    Rage :hu hu good reply and by the way ' did you ever prepared for GRE' I am just kidding . Good use of words.. finally what you said is outstanding ..
     
  6. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Frankly enjoying your powerful logic, I shall have had a good reading of Mein Kampf
     

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