How America supports Pakistan

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  1. A.V.

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    By Sajjad Malik

    ISLAMABAD: The US is ready to provide the unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) ScanEagle to Pakistan to improve its reconnaissance capacity, US Under Secretary of Defence Michele Flournoy said on Tuesday.

    Flournoy was talking to reporters at the end of her two-day visit to Pakistan.

    The under secretary’s comments came ahead of an offer by US Defence Secretary Robert Gates, who earlier announced to provide the UAV Shadow, drawing criticism from local media who said the technology was obsolete.

    Flournoy said the US wanted to build a strategic partnership with Pakistan and discussed ways to develop new relations. She said the US was offering support to Pakistan in various sectors to help it overcome its problems.

    She acknowledged the existence of a trust deficit between the two countries, but hoped the two sides would succeed in bridging gaps by working closely.

    “Our action will
    speak louder than words
    and by helping Pakistan
    and its people, we will be able to overcome the anti-American sentiments here. But it will take some time,” she added.

    The under secretary said the US was providing F-16 aircraft to Pakistan and had set up the Counterinsurgency Capacity Building Fund worth $1 billion for the country. She said the US had also provided over $7 billion from the Coalition Support Fund to the country since the war on terror began in 2001.

    She said the release of more aid under the fund had been delayed owing to delay in issuance of visas to the US embassy staff, adding that the funds would be provided once this issue was resolved.






    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\02\17\story_17-2-2010_pg7_4
     
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  3. tarunraju

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    If in their attempts to "overcome anti-American sentiments" they are being anti-India, they're making a mistake.

    It amuses me how Pakistanis sort of 'celebrate' receiving more "support funds" (aid) with a sense of entitlement.
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

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    using the same argument they should arm the Taliban who are even more anti-american, regardless scaneagle is an even cheaper and bigger piece of crap than Shadow.
     
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    Lol that piece of crap is being used by Australia,USA and Canada for battle ground survellence
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

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    this is a picture of the scaneagle it is the bottom of the line in USA's UAV inventory and old technology based on toy airplanes it was designed to collect weather data.

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  8. DaRk WaVe

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    funny, how you people without any searching go down to degrade anything that is Pakistani,
    I never found anything that says that scan eagle is been used for collecting weather data, If you don't mind can i see that link, Ohh by the way this toy(with world's smallest Synthetic Aperture Radar) is serving Canada, US & Australia but unfortunately not for weather data collection, lol

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scan_Eagle#Operational_history
     
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    ScanEagle Proves Worth in Fallujah Fight


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    FALLUJAH, Iraq, Jan. 11, 2005 – FALLUJAH, Iraq, Jan. 11, 2005 – It's called ScanEagle, and it has already saved the lives of many Marines.
    ScanEagle is an unmanned aerial vehicle that the Marines used during Operation Al Fajr, the coalition operation to remove insurgents from this city.

    The ScanEagle system, developed by Boeing and the Insitu Group of Bingen, Wash., had its baptism of fire during some of the heaviest urban combat Marines have been involved in since Hue City in Vietnam in 1968. The UAV performed flawlessly, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force officials said today.

    ScanEagle is a relatively low-cost UAV at $100,000 a copy. But its real worth was giving Marines in Fallujah a real-time picture of the enemy and helping them close with and kill insurgents without becoming casualties.

    Driven by a small propeller, the aircraft can stay airborne for 19 hours on just a gallon and a half of gas.

    It is a "launch-and-forget" system. A catapult launches the 40-pound aircraft, and a computer operator just clicks the cursor over the area of interest. The aircraft operates autonomously.

    The cameras -- either for day or night -- have enough definition to identify individuals and show if they are carrying weapons. "This was a true advantage for us during the operation," said Marine Col. John Coleman, chief of staff for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. The rules of engagement were such that Marines could not engage unless they were sure the proposed target was carrying a weapon or intent on harming coalition forces.

    ScanEagle enabled commanders to ascertain targets and provided specific coordinates via the Global Positioning System.

    The system can also track moving targets. ScanEagle gives commanders at several different levels real-time video. With the explosive growth of using the Web in warfare, commanders many miles away can direct the system.

    All of this is not bad for a system designed to find tuna fish. Insitu developed the aircraft to be launched and recovered by tuna boats. Fishermen would use the UAV to spot schools of tuna.

    When the Marines needed another UAV system, they contracted with Boeing in June 2004 for ScanEagle and the contractors to run it. Four Boeing employees answered the call, and ScanEagles were soon flying missions over the most dangerous city in Iraq.

    The UAV is small and tough to see, said Marine officials. The contractors put the mufflers pointing up so that the enemy couldn't track the aircraft by sound. The Marines operate the aircraft at a very low altitude and lost only one to enemy fire during the weeks of intelligence gathering leading up to Operation Al Fajr.

    The Marines already use the Pioneer UAV and have access to other UAV information. The ScanEagle has a small footprint. Manning for the system is small, and all the system needs to operate can be carried in four Humvees.

    The Pioneer, one of the oldest UAVs in the inventory, needs a runway to operate from and several C-130s to transport the system. And it requires 120 people to operate it.

    Marine officials are impressed with the ScanEagle system, and have shown the system's capabilities to Army, Navy and Air Force officials.

    Marine officials do not know the true extent of the system's use. "You never really know until the Marines push the capabilities," Coleman said. "Our young Marines are the experts. They know what they need, and they have the knowledge to try new methods and stretch the capabilities of most pieces of equipment."


    http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=24397
     
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    sorry Mr, its the scan eagle we are talking about not seascan, BTW you can the read the article i posted about the Scan Eagle in Fallujah, I know you mind reading it
    thanks
     
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    Nice article US has used atleast 14 different UAV's in Iraq and the scaneagle isn't one of the workhorses.
     
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    who's talking about 'work horses', It doesnt matter if its a work horse or not We are talking about the effectiveness of scan eagle, now I am sure your highness won't say its a worthless toy & BTW we also have our own UAVs, Scan Eagle ain't the one & only in our inventory
     
  14. LETHALFORCE

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    This is the toy kit the scaneagle comes in that has to be assembled.

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    the falco was better in many ways, what advantage does this have over the falco they are more or less the same except a better lense??
     
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    Your Highness its the simplified diagram, School teachers show to students for basic concepts, LOOOL
    if UAVs would have been that simple, believe me i would have made one

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    Falco is quite bigger than Scan Eagle, Whats wrong in having a new system,I Still don't see whats your point in criticizing it, when its serving USMC perfectly in Iraq
     
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    It is not criticism but more fickleness by USA, Pakistan expressed they were not happy with the shadow and USA gave Scaneagle, to me Shadow was a much better UAV but this is all IMO,usually when someone is unhappy with something a better offer is made.
     
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    what word should i use for these comments of yours, Atleast it is proved that its not a worthless piece of crap & neither is it been used for 'weather data collection'

    we don't have a UAV program in the category of Luna, Scan Eagle type UAVs. So that is why we are acquiring them, the tactical ones, like the Uqab, Falco have other roles, Scan Eagle type of vehicles can be launched very close to the battle field and recovered without need for landing strips.
     
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    no need to be so sensitive Emogirl ,we are all friends here if you are happy with it that is perfectly ok ;but many other pakistani friends has expressed their dislike. Peace
     
  19. DaRk WaVe

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    well no Pakistani is expressing dislike at least not here
    the comments you made are 'uncalled for', at least you could have spent 5 mins on Google to see what exactly this system is
    It is no way a worthless piece of crap nor it is been used for weather data collection(there is difference between Scan Eagle & Sea Scan)
     
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    ScanEagle Unmanned Aerial System


    The ScanEagle Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) is a 40 lbs (18 kg) UAV designed for continuous mission of 15+ hours, cruising at speed of 50 kt at an altitude of 5,000m'. The system was designed for autonomous field operation. ScanEagle carries a payload of 6 kg, operating at a ceiling of 5,000 m'. It can be launched and retrieved over any terrain, including naval operations.

    The system includes a UAV, a Sky Wedge hydraulic launcher, Sky Hook retrieving system, and mobile ground control element. The UAV is equipped with nose-mounted inertial-stabilized camera turret, designed to track an object of interest for extended periods of time. The gimbal carries either zoom CCD or IR sensor. Maximum level sped is 70 kt. ScanEagle is currently deployed with the US Marine Corps in Iraq, where the system flew over 4000 hours this by July 2005.

    ScanEagle was designed with removable avionics bay and two expansion slots allowing seamless payload integration. An enhanced ScanEagle was introduced by Insitu in August 2006, incorporating a redesigned camera turret, enhanced infrared camera, and Mode C transponder. The camera turret, utilizes the inertially stabilized turret introduced in 2003, but will not require electronic stabilization by software at the ground station. This will enable utilization of images via Rover type systems. The new turret will be able to house larger cameras, which provides more options on payload camera integration.

    In August 2006 Insitu has incorporated various new systems under the These changes are currently included in the Block D upgrades program These include the DRS Technologies E6000 infrared camera, improving the UAV's capabilities from a 320x240 pixel resolution fixed camera with an 18-degree field of view to a 640x480 camera, with an increased resolution that supports a digital zoom view of 7.5 degrees. A new inertially stabilized turret, offering a factor of 5 improvement in disturbance rejection has also been introduced. Custom designed, ultra-light Mode C Transponder, is also becoming a standard issue on the ScanEagle. THis transponder is programmable during flight and, as such, allows the vehicle to become stealthy as necessary even at low altitudes. This capability will help with aircraft deconfliction within Operation Iraqi Freedom but will also enable easier integration of the system into applications within the National Airspace or civilian applications. Other changes include the introduction of video transmitter system, Rover interoperability and in-flight fuel measurement systems as well as a number of improvements for reliability and modularity

    A Block D prototype was recently tested in a basic configuration, flying on a continuous, 22 hour mission. The company also announced cooperation with ImSAR, for the development of a new micro SAR prototype which could be introduced with the ScanEagle in the future.

    The Block D changes incorporate multiple product enhancements including a new improved IR (infrared) camera with a factor of 3 improvement in the resolution; a new inertially stabilized turret with a factor of 5 improvement in disturbance rejection; a custom, ultra-light, Mode C transponder to facilitate airspace deconfliction; new video transmitter system; Rover interoperability; in-flight fuel measurement systems; and numerous improvements for reliability and modularity.

    The ScanEagle Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) is a 40 lbs (18 kg) UAV designed for continuous mission of 15+ hours, cruising at speed of 50 kt at an altitude of 5,000m'. The system was designed for autonomous field operation. ScanEagle carries a payload of 6 kg, operating at a ceiling of 5,000 m'. It can be launched and retrieved over any terrain, including naval operations.

    The system includes a UAV, a Sky Wedge hydraulic launcher, Sky Hook retrieving system, and mobile ground control element. The UAV is equipped with nose-mounted inertial-stabilized camera turret, designed to track an object of interest for extended periods of time. The gimbal carries either zoom CCD or IR sensor. Maximum level sped is 70 kt. ScanEagle is currently deployed with the US Marine Corps in Iraq, where the system flew over 4000 hours this by July 2005.

    ScanEagle was designed with removable avionics bay and two expansion slots allowing seamless payload integration. An enhanced ScanEagle was introduced by Insitu in August 2006, incorporating a redesigned camera turret, enhanced infrared camera, and Mode C transponder. The camera turret, utilizes the inertially stabilized turret introduced in 2003, but will not require electronic stabilization by software at the ground station. This will enable utilization of images via Rover type systems. The new turret will be able to house larger cameras, which provides more options on payload camera integration.

    In August 2006 Insitu has incorporated various new systems under the These changes are currently included in the Block D upgrades program These include the DRS Technologies E6000 infrared camera, improving the UAV's capabilities from a 320x240 pixel resolution fixed camera with an 18-degree field of view to a 640x480 camera, with an increased resolution that supports a digital zoom view of 7.5 degrees. A new inertially stabilized turret, offering a factor of 5 improvement in disturbance rejection has also been introduced. Custom designed, ultra-light Mode C Transponder, is also becoming a standard issue on the ScanEagle. THis transponder is programmable during flight and, as such, allows the vehicle to become stealthy as necessary even at low altitudes. This capability will help with aircraft deconfliction within Operation Iraqi Freedom but will also enable easier integration of the system into applications within the National Airspace or civilian applications. Other changes include the introduction of video transmitter system, Rover interoperability and in-flight fuel measurement systems as well as a number of improvements for reliability and modularity.

    A Block D prototype was recently tested in a basic configuration, flying on a continuous, 22 hour mission. The company also announced cooperation with ImSAR, for the development of a new micro SAR prototype which could be introduced with the ScanEagle in the future.

    The Block D changes incorporate multiple product enhancements including a new improved IR (infrared) camera with a factor of 3 improvement in the resolution; a new inertially stabilized turret with a factor of 5 improvement in disturbance rejection; a custom, ultra-light, Mode C transponder to facilitate airspace deconfliction; new video transmitter system; Rover interoperability; in-flight fuel measurement systems; and numerous improvements for reliability and modularity.

    In early January 2007 Boeing Australia Limited announced it has been awarded a contract to provide reconnaissance and surveillance services to the Australian Army using the ScanEagle autonomous unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). The services provided by ScanEagle are currently being used in southern Iraq by Australian soldiers operating with the Overwatch Battle Group (West)-2 in Operation Catalyst. By June 2007, the operation was expanded for six months, to support te Australian troops deployed in Afghanistan under a A$20 million program.
    In February 2007 the ScanEagle UAV system has been qualified to comply with NATO mandated unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) interoperability standard (known as STANAG 4586), establishing common specifications employed in ground station system operating all UAVs used by NATO military forces. STANAG compliance will enable existing and future deployed ScanEagles to be operated with operational ground control stations such as Army One as well as other STANAG qualified systems operated by NATO member nations. The ScanEagle Vehicle Specific Module and Multiple UAV Software Environment ground station were integrated with the Common UAV Control Software package developed by CDL Systems Ltd. employed with the "Army One" ground control station. During the three hour test flight, the ScanEagle team achieved Level 2 for the UAV and sensor system; Level 3 for the onboard electro-optical camera and sensor system; and Level 4 for the UAV and payload control. Further tests employing multiple ScanEagles and ground control stations are scheduled to validate various autonomous functions.


    ScanEagle Unmanned Aerial System
     
  21. ahmedsid

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    Will Pakistan be satisified with this?? I mean Pakistan always asked for Drones with capabilty to fire missiles and liquidate targets! Thats what they want, but thats something they are not getting. I am sure Americans are giving Pakistanis technology which is outdated, because they hell as know the Chinese are around to snoop, so we can be rest assured the Americans are sure of the Scan eagle being sent to China wont make a difference.
     

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