How About India Buying tech of Mig LMFS fighter ?

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  1. Lions Of Punjab

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    India aircraft industries are good but lack experience to make decent jets like other . nowadays india is buying weapons with their TOT (Transfer of technology) . I was thinking how about doing it the way chinese are doing . They are buying complete tech of old Soviet cancelled projects and modifying it completly in china . a good example would be WZ-10 attack helicopter .

    What if our need could be fulfilled with russian Mig LMFS fighter tech . it is a cancelled one and Mig industry is facing hard time selling their jets . so i believe they won't deny . And it was a 5 th gen fighter , so we might get some good tech too . if we can get the complete tech that way we would be able to improve TEJAS as well as we might have a twin engined variant of our own desi fighter .
     
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    MiG LMFS is not a cancelled project. It is a proposed project touted to be the russian answer to F-35. Design very similar to AMCA.

    MiG-LMFS design proposals

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    The cancelled MiG project was named 1.44

    MiG-1.44 Prototype

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    MiG-LMFS could be a good candidate to replace MiG-29K/KUB in future
     
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    Its a very bad example of a Light weight fighter. Pls see its dimensions and its ability to carry internal weapons.
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Please provide link to the specifications... The proposed diagram shows 6 BVR, 2 WVR and 1 ground attack internal hardpoints. Total 9 internal hardpoints.

     
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    the pix above have the dimensions also shown. Can this be called light weight by any standards. Its wingspan is more than that of Mig-35 also. Its twin engined which means double the IR signature of a single engined aircraft.
     
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    Don't know... but articles on the net says that it will not have 2 engines, but a single variant of the T-50 engine.

     
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    The Russians consider even aircraft like Mig-35 and EF as light fighters. According to the Americans, the 14 tonne empty weight F-35 is a light fighter too.

    Anyway, the article speaks of a light fighter, but the pics and specs are that of a heavy fighter.

    If the aircraft is powered by a single Item 30 engine, then the empty weight could be in the Rafale/EF class. Around 10-12 tonnes.
     
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    Yeah, Russian classification of T-50 is a "medium" fighter. God knows what they consider as heavy.

    MiG had claimed that the LMFS will be 30% lighter than the T-50.

     
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    The Russians consider the PAKFA to be a heavy fighter.

    30% lighter is a Rafale/EF class fighter.
     
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    LMFS wont be funded this decade it would be next decade along with a new interceptor that RuAF chief talked about to replace Mig-31 link

    This decade the funding as far as fighter goes is PAK-FA , PAK-Sha ( CAS fighter to replace Su-25 ) , PAK-DA bomber to replace Tu-95MS and later date Tu-160 and Tu-22M3.

    Hence forth any new fighter will be a joint development of different design bureau like all design bureau has been brought under UAC , Although one or the other design beureau will take a lead role , For eg PAK-Sha is being spearheaded by Sukhoi and UCAV program is a joint Sukhoi Mig development.
     
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    Source for PAK-Sha please...

     
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    Russia to Field New Ground Attack Jet | Defense | RIA Novosti
    Russian air force to order Su-25 replacement
     
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    Fan Boy Drawing by Paralay
     
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    Sha in Russian just means ground attack/CAS ......no I didnt but Paralay did ;)
     
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    It is not a source. It is just some bungling journo.

    PAKFA is a 34 tonne MTOW fighter. It is actually at the same level as a Su-27, which was a 33 tonne MTOW fighter.
    MKI is 4 tonnes heavier. Su-34 is also a heavy fighter, but carries more fuel and equipment. If you want a real comparison, just look at the engine thrust levels of these fighters to compare. Su-27 has 25 tonnes of thrust. Su-34 has 27 tonnes of thrust. MKI has 25 today and may go up to 27 or 29 later on. PAKFA has 30 tonnes today and will eventually have 35 tonnes. Hence a heavy fighter.

    EF is a 25 tonne MTOW fighter, hence medium. Thrust is at 18 tonnes.

    LCA is a 13 tonne MTOW fighter, hence light. Thrust is at 9 tonnes.

    F-35 is a 31 tonne MTOW fighter, but its thrust level is at 20 tonnes, at a level comparable to EF. Something like the Su-34, with greater MTOW, but lesser thrust.
     

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