How a weak BJP has fired up UP’s Muslims

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  1. Vyom

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    Uttar Pradesh’s Muslims have decided to vote for development and progress above issues like Babri Masjid. The young and the old spoke of the need for a better life, with more jobs and opportunities, insisting that issues like Babri Masjid were ‘history’, at least for now.

    Most Muslims insisted that reservation was certainly not the determining factor. Development and jobs are the emerging consensus with the younger Muslims, who point out that they were tired of waiting now. “There seems to be no hope in sight, no one cares,” said Feroze Siddiqui a young lawyer in Domariaganj, maintaining that Muslims, like others, will now vote for the candidate and the political party best placed to fulfill its promises.

    The BJP’s poor prospects have had an interesting side effect. As a Muslim candidate said, “it has freed us so that we can vote for any party and not necessarily the one that will defeat the BJP.” In the process, Muslims are fast deserting the BSP with the disaffection with Mayawati being openly voiced. ‘She has done nothing for us,’ is the refrain with the Muslim voter determined not to vote for the BSP except where there is an exceptionally good candidate.

    There is no doubt that Rahul Gandhi’s high voltage campaign has generated some interest among Muslims, who have been turning up in larger numbers than earlier to listen to his speeches. However, as many who had attended his meetings pointed out, “but where is the party, there is no Congress here.”

    The SP, after a brief Amar Singh-Kalyan Singh interlude, is again emerging as a favourite. Sensing this, Mulayam Singh Yadav is playing to the gallery, promising development, jobs, scholarships, grants and reservation for Muslims. He has been particularly vocal about communal harmony, more than the Congress, which has shied away from the issue of security and secularism.

    The Muslim vote is decided only a couple of days before polling, and voters reminded us of this pointing out, “Dekhiye vote kahan palat ta hai.” The candidates, too, admit that these elections will demonstrate tactical voting, with the Muslims voting for secular parties’ winning candidates. This could differ from constituency to constituency, but the larger opinion seems to favour the Samajwadi party for whom the Muslims in UP have always had a soft corner.

    Interestingly, Muslims still raise objections ranging from the Congress’s position on Babri Masjid to price rise to a weak state unit to poor candidates. Akhtar, a doctor, pointed out that the Congress was giving Rs25 lakhs to every candidate. “So, many come forward, take the money, spend some of it, save the rest and emerge far richer from the elections,” he said.

    Discussion about the SP is not ridden with questions and cynicism. There is approval that Mulayam has got rid of Kalyan Singh, and an admission that ‘yes we are considering the SP.’ This comes at a time when Muslims are reluctant to voice their preferences.

    The Muslim vote determines the outcome of at least 130 assembly segments, and remains an influential part of the rest. In some segments it is as high as 50-60% as in Badaun, where voters point out that the BJP will win as all the other parties have fielded Muslim candidates who will cut into the vote. In Badaun, for instance, the Muslims seem to be interested in the Congress but a weak candidate is being seen more as a spoiler than a winner.

    The Congress has left its campaign entirely to Rahul Gandhi, who is not willing to share the turf with local leaders. Even sitting MPs have not been involved. General secretary Digvijay Singh remains in charge, influencing decision on party tickets. There is considerable resentment and anger against him with the stronger candidates making it clear that they are fighting on their own steam.

    The weak party organisation is not helping the weaker candidates who might get the money, but have to set up their own infrastructure for the campaign and for the crucial polling day. The absence of the party on the ground is being felt by both candidates and voters, many of whom said they could not vote for the Congress because it would be wasted.

    Internal surveys giving the Congress nearly 100 seats seem to be exaggerated as the party is in contest in specific constituencies where it has stronger, recognised candidates. The old votebank of Muslims, Brahmins and Dalits shows little sign of returning to the party in numbers large enough to give them a good share of the state’s 403 seats.

    How a weak BJP has fired up UP’s Muslims - Analysis - DNA
     
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    ^^ So what is the lesson, that in order for Muslims to vote for development the BJP should leave the place??? :troll:
     
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    Boy! Are you not excited? :troll:
     
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    Good for the Muslims and a chance to do what they want!

    It will be Mulayam and Akhilesh all the way!

    I think the people are getting wiser that to whine like beggars and then get nothing except promises of an enchanted life that never comes , is not the answer to emancipation.

    The people realise only development can generated jobs and jobs generate a full stomach!
     
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    Not really. I don't care much about these BJP-Congress types.

    It is always satisfying to see people with pompous holier-than-thou attitudes being kicked around a bit. That's all.
     
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    Frank Sinatra has given the wake up call.

     
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    But others have to care, they need to see that they enable a government that can serve them relatively best.
     
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    What kind of logic is this ??

    So, It's safe to assume that Muslims only vote to defeat BJP as i said many times earlier ?? :)

    It's better to become 2nd class citizen rather than join progressive front ?

    And if development is all what to do when BJP is not there, Then what about W.B. and Assam which is lagging on most of the social-economics indexes ?

    And they preferred Lalu-Rabri for 15 years worst governance because of threat of BJP ? and after that still BJP won 93 out of 102 seats and Ravi Shankar Prasad & Rudy are probable minister if BJP comes in power.

    Muslims should always vote for Development. If they will not, Pro-Muslims parties like Congress, SP, RJD, Left, TC, and many others will threaten them of BJP.

    In Late 90's, Lalu Yadav said to Muslims in public meeting in Katihar, "Na saath raheb to mudiya kataye". That is the day and today, BJP won most of the election in 35% Muslims region of that district. When Muslims polarise .... Then large no. Hindus also polarise.

    Good for everyone, I suppose ? Hahahahha
     
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    Forget the Muslims.

    Even if their God comes and tell to them they will not vote for BJP. BJP's strength lies in its appeal to the Hindu non-yadav OBC in UP.If they can get it, then that will be the game changer.
     
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    I think some posters have completely missed the point.

    As I have repeatedly said in earlier posts on this topic. Muslim community just like any other community will vote for security first. The BJP's main plank in the 1990s was anti-Muslim. There were riots which resulted in loss of life and property. The natural inclination for the community would be to vote for security. This is not a "muslim" phenomenon. It applies to any community.

    What would you do with development if you don't have security? Now that the BJP has stopped having a hostile attitude towards Muslims because it is not a vote getter anymore, the next step is to vote on the basis of jobs, education and development. Again this applies to any community.

    Infact, the BJP has in the past tried to use the same strategy to garner "Hindu votes" by targeting the security of Hindus. Statements like Christians and Muslims (who constitute less than 15% of the total population) are taking over India or Hinduism is under threat or only BJP can save Hindus is way to appeal to the sense of security for Hindus. For example, the alleged plot by a BJP politician in Karnataka to raise a Pakistani flag and then raise a hue and cry targeting the Muslim community is a way to create that sense of insecurity where no such thing exists.

    I think one thing that should be appreciated that by and large Muslim communit has voted for political parties that are not Muslim specific. Most of their votes have been divided among Congress, SP, BSP, RLD, JD(U) and Left parties with only 2 or 3 seats going to parties like All India MIM or IUML. This is not without lack of trying. There have been many muslim specific parties in UP and Bihar elections but they never get votes.
    On the other hand BSP has from the started agressively wooed identity politics, Shiv Sena and MNS also take the ethnic identity to the extreme.


    So bottom line is if a party threatens the security of any community, expect that community to try to vote to defeat that party. Isn't it true that north Indian in Mumbai vote to defeat the MNS and Shiv Sena ? Once the BJP stops raising a bogey monster of a Muslim take over of India and threatening them, their vote will not be restricted to protecting their security as we can see in Bihar where the NDA combine got 30% of Muslim vote according exit polls.

    Here is a good summary of how BJP did well even in Muslim concentration districts which proves my point
    The question to ask is can BJP (and their supporters) learn from the Bihar 2010 elections?
     
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    Fair enough. OTOH the rise of the BJP from a mere 2 seats in Loksabha less than 30 years ago to a national party also had its reasons. For more than 30 years there was no popular Hindu party as such whereas there were and continue to be parties such as IUML in Kerala that have an exclusive following in Muslim community. Congress was the sole national party and satisfied the needs for all shades of citizens and I must say they had good people until Indira Gandhi came along and made it Congress(I) [Congress has since reverted formally to its original epithet Indian National Congress(INC) but remains the party of Indira Gandhi]. Congress had people like Lal Bahadur Shastri, Maulana Azad, Rajaji, etc. BJP as a party started to develop in the 80's due to many reasons among them - a) Assam problem when large number of Bangladeshis that had crossed over were seen to be supported by some parties b) Kashmir issue that was fomented from across the border in 1989 and the driving out of Kashmir of Kashmiri Pandits from that state c) Babri issue that was left to hang in the courts since 1949 and BJP made political capital out of that.

    BJP would never have been a big political party if certain political parties had not treated Bangladeshi infiltrators as potential vote bank or spoken up for Kashmiri Hindus.
     
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    Can you be more specific and tell us how these assertions are true? Apart from the couple of years of Babri Masjid incident, how has the BJP been a security threat to the Muslim community?
     
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    Agreed parijataka,

    But all I will say is that these problems were not the making of the Muslim community as such. Resolving the Babri Masjid dispute or the launch of Pakistani proxy war in Kashmir that lead to Kashmiri pandits fleeing the valley is an issue that the ruling government which again consisted overwhelmingly of Hindus was responsible for.

    What is stopping the BJP to become the INC before Indira and truly becoming an Indian nationalist party. The Babri Masjid issue is now gone and dusted and with the completiong of fencing of the Bangladeshi border in the next few years, even the illegal migration issue should come down. All Indian Muslims including even the clerical community have been openly in support of Kashmir being a part of India. So why not take this as a transformative time and change the direction of how to do politics? I think the main BJP strategists understand this, it just needs to filter down to the cadre level.
     
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    Well given the lax way riot victims get compensation in India, riots victims take a long time to come back to their pre-riot levels and more importantly heal the rift between the two communities.

    For example, when Advani did his rath yatra in the early 1990s, there was a trail of riots whereever he went. This will ofcourse impact the minority communities in those areas. Then you had the riots in 2002 which also had a major impact.

    Then you have local level BJP leaders trying these things as well and spoling places where there use to be communal harmony before. For example, in Ayodhya, almost all Muslims get their livelihood through Hindu festivals. And historically, they have provided Hindu pilgirms with various ascessories to do their pilgrimage. But after the riots, even going to a polics station or hospital was difficult for Muslims.

    There is a documentary as well on little known 2005 riots in Gorakhpur under Mulayam Singh Yadav posted earlier. You can see the impact that it can have on local communities here.

    Now in recent years and post 2009 elections, there has been defeintely a better atmosphere where the article posted also explainst that Muslim voters are not voting based on security concerns but on development and education. This is a welcome change. And that is what we should be moving towards.
     
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    Sir, If SP emerges as the single largest party in UP, then it is curtains for Mamata. SP with it's 22MPs will compensate for an erratic all with 19 MPS.
     
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    Who initiated those riots? Who Bombed a major metropolitan city? Instead of the community which was the target of the bombings, which other so called 'security seeking community' went out quenching the thirst for Kufar blood?

    It's not just about security; its more to do with nationalistic Hindus not dominating the country - who may put things into order, which has been deliberately thrown to dogs to satisfy the needs of arab worshiping religious clerics (increase in thousands of madrasas along the border is one such example) !

    You can go on beating the drums of secularism, however, this is a fact. Only in India a particular section of the community involved in terrorist activities and riots claim to be victims....tell me in which country where this 'security seeking community' is in majority we can find minorities bombing and rioting in such a large scale against the majority, and still claim victim-hood!

    Whom are we fooling with symantecs!
     
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    yea yea gunhegar to sirf hum hain uplog to dhud se dhule hoye ho.
    great example of rss lessons of anti muslim teaching.
     
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    The l'Affair Jaipur Lit Fest, followed by the cancellation of the video linking is doing to skew the UP elections.
     
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    Actually what he said is a fact majority of Terrorist attacks have muslim origin.I hate to say it is a fact but it is
     
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    This is how efforts made to revamp a party can be skewed.

    Everything and in every party is on a self destruct mode.
     

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