Homeland Security in India

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    Introduction

    Homeland Security encompasses several dimensions of national focus and relates to safeguarding the internal environment of the country from disruptive activities that can potentially lead to disorder, loss of citizen’s lives and destruction of public and private property. India’s Homeland Security agencies primarily consist of the paramilitary forces, State and central police forces and the intelligence agencies, all under the aegis of the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs. :ranger:

    Homeland Security consists of all activities aimed at preparing for, protecting against and Homeland Security in India is handled by a multitude of bodies with complex functional and reporting relationships. Law and order is a State subject and the State police are responsible for maintaining law and order internally. The Ministry of Home Affairs is responsible for internal security, management of paramilitary forces, border management, Centre-State relations, administration of Union Territories managing the consequences of attacks in various sectors. The Ministry of Home Affairs has identified the following sectors as priority areas which need specific focus to strengthen the Homeland Security of the country; and disaster management. The Ministry of Defence obtains policy directions of the government on all defence and security related matters and communicates them for implementation, disaster management and maintenance of law and order . The Ministry of External Affairs is involved with foreign policy formulation and in matters relating to disarmament and international security .
    Homeland Security in India has witnessed an increasing focus in the recent past. Occurrences like the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, security concerns emanating from the forthcoming 2010 Commonwealth Games, increasing instances of domestic terrorism, ethnic conflicts and other real and perceived threats have reiterated the critical importance of protecting the internal environment of the country from any potential disruption. In light of these events and threats, the Central and State governments in the country now perceive the modernization and up-gradation of the country's Homeland Security infrastructure as an area of priority. :thumb: This has led to an increase in the Defence and Homeland Security expenditure outlay in the country.


    Some key areas of focus

    India is often referred to as a ‘soft state’ given its perceived inability to systematically and categorically deal with several threats to the country’s Homeland Security. There is a plethora of State security agencies with a minimal ability to coordinate towards dealing with these threats in an effective manner. In an attempt to organize the Homeland Security apparatus of the country, the Ministry of Home Affairs is gearing itself to create a supporting infrastructure for the long term with an organized and targeted development of India’s Homeland Security focused infrastructure. This includes modernization programs for providing better equipment and training to the security forces deployed with the task of Homeland Security in India, creation of a centralized comprehensive database called National Information Grid (NATGRID) by combining the individual databases of several government agencies, setting up of the CCTNS (Crime and Criminal Tracking Network and Systems) and several other such measures. In this endeavor, there are several areas which are critical to the Homeland Security of India and thus require specific focus.

    . Police and paramilitary modernization

    A well trained, well equipped and efficient police force is the bulwark of the internal security infrastructure of a country. Police modernization has been a focus area for strengthening the Homeland Security apparatus of the country. Presently, the cumulative annual budget allocation for all States and Union Territories under the pecific expenditure head of ‘Police’ is approximately INR 44,354 crores, which, despite a 21.7 per cent increase over the 2008-09 amount of INR 36,434 crores, still amounts to a meager 4.3 per cent of the total budgeted expenditure of all States and Union Territories in 2009-10 . Of this amount, more than 80 percent is spent on salary and maintenance of the forces and only about 20 percent is available for training and other capability building activities. In addition to this amount, the Ministry of Home Affairs released INR 1,230 crores as central funds for the modernization of India’s police forces in 2009-10 . Also, in order to enhance the Homeland Security of the country through a specific focus on certain identified cities, the Ministry of Home Affairs allocated over INR 450 crores in 2009 for city surveillance projects . Such initiatives are likely to go a long way in addressing the requirements related to police modernization.

    Furthermore, in order to strengthen the police apparatus and adequately train the available manpower to face the emerging challenges relating to intelligence and cyber crime, anti terrorist unit, quick response teams, industrial security force and coastal security, the States need to increase their budget allocation so that adequate funds are available for recruitment, creating a modern training infrastructure, acquisition of better weapons and other facets of police modernization like using IT to enable inter-connectivity of police databases of the different States.?

    .Counter Terrorism

    India has had to contend with terrorism in its different manifestations for a long time. Till a few years back, terror attacks were primarily in the form of sporadic blasts in the target cities. The situation changed somewhere around 2008 when India witnessed a new form of organized, sophisticated terrorism. The synchronized large terror attacks on the Indian soil demonstrated the increasing ability of terrorists to exploit the abundant communication infrastructure for collaboration, financing, intelligence gathering and execution of the terror attacks. This was further accentuated by the weak infrastructure and Homeland Security apparatus.

    The challenges faced by this sector include an expanding transnational terrorist threat as well as the Maoist/Naxalite activities in eastern and central India. The changing nature of terrorism needs better network resources to effectively combat the growing instances of such activities in the country.

    In an attempt to fight terrorism by checking cross-border infiltration, the Indian government has realized the necessity of deploying specialized technologies on all its borders. India is expected to spend INR 4,500 crore on domestic security before 2016 . In this context, the Ministry of Home Affairs has proposed to create a Multi-Agency Centre (MAC) that will work at both the center and State level to compile intelligence from and disperse intelligence to the participating agencies and set up a National Counterterrorism Centre (NCTC) which would be the nodal point for handling all aspects related to terrorism In India. There is approximately INR 324 crore allocated for this endeavor. A further amount of INR 10.50 crore has been released to establish 7 counter insurgency and anti-terrorism schools in 5 States .


    Coastal and Maritime security

    India has a coastline of about 7,500 km running along nine States and four Union Territories. A constant threat to India’s security has been the possibility of terrorists entering the mainland by exploiting the country’s porous maritime borders and perpetrating undesirable activities. These concerns were brought to light yet again when the perpetrators of Mumbai terror attacks entered India by exploiting the weak maritime border security.

    Concerned with the nature of the porous maritime border and inadequate maritime security of the country, the Ministry of Home Affairs stated in 2008 that the Government of India had planned to enhance surveillance and patrolling of India’s coastline to discourage infiltration attempts by terrorists through the sea lanes . In 2009, the Ministry of Home Affairs allocated over INR 225 crores in equipment for detecting arms and ammunitions in containers . The Government also sanctioned 73 coastal police stations under the Coastal Security Scheme, of which 64 are currently operational. Such efforts need to be strengthened through better management of maritime security efforts and specific coordination within different agencies dealing with India’s maritime security. Towards this agenda, the Phase II of the Coastal Security Scheme has been finalized wherein 131 police stations are proposed to be established in the coastal areas of the country.

    . Naxalism

    At a meeting organized by India’s Intelligence Bureau, the Prime Minister of India expressed great concern over the naxal violence in India by categorizing it as the ‘gravest internal security threat’ and also referring to the need for a more professional and welltrained, technologically sound police force to combat this threat . The different States impacted by naxal violence in India are realizing the interState ramifications of naxalite activities and the need for inter-State coordination and cooperation. Issues of good governance, development, and public awareness are increasingly becoming essential in dealing with naxalite activities, in addition to core policing requirements.

    The Government has taken certain coordinated action steps in this regard including creation of an effective policing mechanism in the impacted States, ensuring adequate provisions for equipment, , training, and other supporting facilities for State police forces, strengthening of the State intelligence set-ups, establishment of Counter Insurgency and Anti-Terrorist (CIAT) Schools to impart specialized training to State police personnel in respect of counter insurgency, jungle warfare and terrorism in Assam, Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Orissa and Jharkhand. Furthermore, the central Government has allocated an amount of INR 515 crore in 2008-09 for Modernization of State Police Forces (MPF) scheme with the entire amount having been released to the 9 affected States of Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Orissa, Uttar Pradesh and 10 West Bengal .

    An integrated approach aimed at relatively more affected areas has been adopted, including programs for special attention on planning, implementation and monitoring of development schemes in 34 naxal violence affected districts in 8 States. Under a similar initiative, called the Backward Districts Initiative, an amount of INR 45 crore per district had been allocated on a nonlapsable basis to focus on integrated development in 147 naxal violence 10 impacted districts.

    . Intelligence and Cyber Crime

    Intelligence gathering and leveraging the collected information adequately to pre-empt any terrorist or related undesirable activity is central to the efforts targeted towards Homeland Security of the country. Intelligence in internal security management has various components like intelligence collection within India's frontiers, transborder intelligence collection and the use of critical technology for the collection of intelligence specifically required for the internal security management.

    India’s efforts at intelligence gathering are inadequate with a plethora of agencies involved in this activity without any single control and coordination authority to manage the intelligence gathering process. Also, intelligence gathering at the State police levels is in a nascent stage with only about 1-1.5 percent of the total police force performing intelligence duties . Intelligence gathering needs to be enlarged, coordinated and managed through modern communication and analysis tools and technologies.

    . Critical infrastructure protection

    Critical infrastructure of a country includes public and private assets that are of strategic importance to the economic, political or security interests of the country and include infrastructure such as airports, industrial installations, national monuments, energy supply pipelines, nuclear and conventional power plants, etc. Besides airports, mass transportation and maritime security the other key segments for Homeland Security market also include large events such as the upcoming Commonwealth Games, border security and first responders.

    India’s increasing economic power is reflected through mega projects like the Commonwealth Games 2010, BandraWorli Sea Link, the T3 International Terminal of the Indira Gandhi International Airport at Delhi, etc, which are increasingly becoming susceptible to external threats. Such infrastructure is more susceptible to terrorist attacks given its importance to the larger nation.

    Protection of such infrastructure from tangible and cyber threats requires specific focus and is an essential element of the Homeland Security of the country. There is an immediate requirement for conducting a National Risk Assessment to identify and map the critical assets of the country on the basis of a systematic analysis to assess the overall risk and vulnerability of the assets to any threats. The next step will be the development and maintenance of adequate counter-measures and emergency plans, including programs for providing awareness training to the security staff of such facilities.

    The Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), which is an elite force protecting the critical infrastructure of the country, was created to provide security cover to key industrial infrastructure units including nuclear power plants, State installations, refineries, ports, etc. However, the major challenge before the authorities is to preempt any such attacks and to have effective monitoring systems that can help in the identification of potential threats to the critical infrastructure of the country. This requires a dedicated focus in terms of special equipment, trained manpower and coordinated intelligence gathering about any potential threats. In this context, a distinct aspect of critical infrastructure protection is a pressing need for public-private partnership, especially since most critical infrastructure is in the hands of private players even though the protection of these assets is still perceived to be the responsibility of the Government. Possible areas where private sector can complement the Governments skills and resources in protecting critical national infrastructure include intelligence analysis to transform information into actionable knowledge, implementation of new information technology tools and communication processes, emergency management and response planning and providing industry specific recommendations for protecting critical national infrastructure.

    . Impact of inadequate focus on Homeland Security

    An inadequate focus on the Homeland Security of the country can have multidimensional impact. Besides the potentially significant risk to the homeland and its citizens, it can have a considerable economic impact manifested in lower credit ratings for the country, negative branding through travel advisories impacting the tourism and hospitality sectors, portrayal of the country as an unsafe place for business and the consequent reduction in foreign investment. A related facet of this is the capital loss pertaining to loss of human life, damage to critical infrastructure such as rail and road networks and to places that are of high heritage value and national significance. An inadequate focus on Homeland Security might also have a psychological impact by creating an environment of high uncertainty and fear in the minds of citizens, which adversely impacts the overall quality of life of the citizens. :ranger:

    Given such potential damages, Homeland Security is increasingly becoming critical to the overall security of the country. This is witnessed through a growing focus on this sector by the Government of India manifested through larger budgets and attempts to create a structured approach to Homeland Security of India. Globally, the private sector has played a significant role in meeting the Homeland Security requirements in various countries across the world, and this model is now being replicated in India with the industry taking note of the requirements of this sector and perceiving this as a potential growth opportunity. However, given the lack of specific focus through a dedicated representative industry segment and the disorganized nature of Homeland Security apparatus in India, there is a lack of clarity regarding the extent of opportunity in this sector and specifically the approach and strategy to be adopted towards contributing to the cause in a constructive and significant manner.

     
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    India's homeland security market is expected to be worth $16 billion by 2018

    AHMEDABAD: India's homeland security market is expected to be worth $16 billion by 2018, said a industry data. Indian market is growing at 35% against 7% globally.

    India's share in global expenditure in the sector is also expected to rise to 6% by 2020 from 3.6% now. Government constitutes about 30% of the sectoral spend within the country. "The homeland security mostly covers threats like intrusion prevention and access denial, while solutions include surveillance, radio frequency identification," said Pankaj Jain, project director of Indian Fire and Security ( IFSEC) India exhibition every year.

    The forthcoming exhibition will be held during November 1-3, at Noida. "Considering the vulnerability of public and corporates, it is necessary to safeguard our banks, offices, hotels, hospitals, airports, railway stations as well as all critical establishments. Of late, we have seen a rise in awareness amongst the corporates and governments," said Jain.

    India's homeland security market is pegged at $1 billion, of which 70% is imports dominated by US, UK, Germany, Taiwan, Japan, China and Israel. It is slated to rise to $16 billion by 2016.

    Government constitutes 30% of the total spend for security. Now companies from abroad are increasingly looking at India to sell their products.

    Many Indian companies are also entering into joint ventures and transfer of technology agreements with the foreign companies to manufacture products locally. "Of late, the equipments are now based on Internet Protocol (IP) rather than analog to enable real time surveillance," added Jain

    India's homeland security market is expected to be worth $16 billion by 2018 - Economic Times

     
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    For Rs 6 lakh crore (USD 100 billion)Indian armed forces set to acquire Star Wars-like weapons

    Seeking to prepare itself for futuristic warfare of the kind seen in the iconic and sensational Star Wars movies, Indian armed forces are planning to spend around Rs 6 lakh crore to get hi-tech equipment such as robots for combat roles, precision-guided missiles and watch-dog satellites, according to a Defence Ministry document. :thumb:

    In the document 'Technology and Capability Roadmap' for the armed forces for next 15 years, Defence Minister A K Antony has also made it clear that his department will make these acquisitions in a holistic manner "without compromising transparency, fairness and probity at any level."

    "In the next 15 years, Indian forces are poised for major modernisation... The volumes are high and the financial outlays large. There is substantial scope in the process for Indian industry to harness this market around USD 100 billion (Rs six lakh crore) to develop indigenous capability; especially in high technology areas," it said. The TCR has been provided by the Ministry as a step to provide a roadmap to the private and public sector indigenous industry about the requirements of the armed forces so that they can gear up themselves to provide the solutions.

    "The document is being put up in the public domain to establish a level playing field for the Indian defence industry, both public and private sector," the Ministry said. In the field of space, the TCR says the armed forces would require "watchdog satellites" to guard against the anti-satellite weapons, which have been developed by China.

    "With the advent of anti-satellite weapons (ASAT) a concept of `watchdog satellites to guard other satellites could also be explored," it said.The armed forces are also turning eco-friendly and have sought "eco-friendly solar, wind and electric power and propulsion systems which are capable of lowering fuel consumption, reduce pollution and better energy efficient while helping vessels to operate quietly." Seeking artificial warriors on field, the TCR said for winning land battles, the Army would need "Robots to assist troops in combat for tasks such as surveillance, reconnaissance, anti mine and anti IED role, urban area combat and casualty extraction."

    To deal with the threat of enemy ballistic missiles, the 45-page TCR says a capability called Joint Area Missile Defence would be required for air defence. "It will use air defence assets of the three services in conjunction with the surveillance sensors of other agencies to detect, track, acquire and destroy incoming theatre ballistic and cruise missiles," it said. Seeking capabilities to fight the menace of terrorism, the TCR said capabilities will have to to be developed to oppose terrorism throughout the threat spectrum including anti-terrorism and counter-terrorism.

    "It includes protection of personnel, assault, explosives detection and disposal, investigative sciences and forensics, physical security and protection of infrastructure and surveillance and collection. Successful execution of the wide range of R&D efforts will greatly improve the capability of the soldier," it said. The document, which is similar to a previous document issued in 2010, also envisages procurement of modern combat aircraft, combat drones, unmanned underwater systems, space-based capability, anti-submarine weapons launched from air, several types of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and training tools for the forces in next 15 years. :thumb:

    For Rs 6 lakh crore, Indian armed forces set to acquire Star Wars-like weapons - Indian Express
     
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    Establishing Homeland Security as a National Priority

    we need a strong homeland security system, which would link all the government's systems of the country to achieve the common goals. and i have some more ideas in this regard, along with the goals/mission/vision etc Indian systems already have, for their purpose to establish a proper homeland security :thumb:

    1st; a common civilian must have at least 2 identity card, while walking on the streets. Youth Literacy Rate of India would touch 90% by this year, and it means that the common civilians are responsible to to declare their identity at any time, whatever requested by a police man. along with Voter ID card, a civilian must be able to show at least one more ID, either Pan card/ DL/ birth certificate, to avoid going to police custody for a while, until he/she manage to show at least 2 IDs....

    2nd; every person taking birth must have a birth certificate. and not having the same must bring punishment for the parents of that certain kid taking birth.

    3rd; India needs to make its systems more "EFFECTIVE" now to face the global challenges, which won't be handicapped by any political party..... something like, a proper Home Land Security with bringing the different departments together to achieve the common goal, which would be linked with each others, no matter which party comes in power. and hence the whole system would then work as a single system to ensure the security of the nation as whole. an EFFECTIVE enough system which may put any person on the trial, if he/she doesn't do his/her honestly, violate laws while his employment for personal benefits. and example of Mr PVN Rao must be given to all those who may come in power, of any party :india:
    (and why not, its not just India but we have example of many other Democratic countries where there was no law to defend the corrupts PM/President, when they didn't do their duty honestly. whether former pres of US, Mr B.Clinton who could hardly avoid punishment for having sex with his secretory during working hour, former Indonesian Pres Mr Suharto was sent to jail for corruption, former Italian PM was also sent behind the bars last year, bla bla.)

    4th; we need a system which would be 'primarily' meant to defend those people who are building the nations, mainly top businessmen/ celebrities and other influential people, who have influence on the society to an extent.... and the concept behind it, "there is no meaning to sacrifice lives of our soldiers on the border if we can't defend those who are building the nation. who have influence on the society to an extent" :disagree:

    for example of top business people/ billionaires, who are billionaires not because they have money in pocket, but they billionaires in terms of the industries they have, which provides employments, generate high taxes on the their businesses. the tax revenue which the government use for helping common people/ build infrastructure. their industries also introduce new technologies to improve overall life of common Indian civilians this way. (for example, how cheap mobile service has changed life of common people to an extent.). i even favor a Cabinate level security for the top 50+ businessmen of India. (while hoping that these businessmen may afford to pay for the expanses of their security too, if the government ask.) and I would like to see its start from the gentleman as below :india:

    Have already given 25% of my wealth to charity: Azim Premji, Wipro - Economic Times
    similarly we need a reasonable level of security for other businessmen, influential people of India, who have enough influence on the society, and hence they must be defended by the systems of Indian society too. we won't reach a day when our these honored businessmen/celebraties/other influential people may become toys on the hands of those who may then use these people against Indian society itself :disagree:

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    I think, the businessmen may themselves pay for the expanses, if the government ask. while it may be little expansive for the lower order businessmen/celebrities etc, so it would be negotiated :thumb:

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    a very fair question and I appreciate your contribution in this thread. from here, could you please let us know, what good you find in this post which is about giving special status to those people who are building this country? I mean, do you find few good things in my post, what exactly I meant to say here?

    (there is a difference between Arts and Science and when we deal with the Arts, if we lose something on the one aspect then we gain on other side at the same time. thats true.....)

    from here, please check this news as below and make a comment on it. why the 'would be' largest selling car of India, the cheapest car, the NANO's manufacturer preferred to move to Gujarat from West Bengal? while even Kolkatta, one of the 4 metro, is located in this state? what exactly the Gujarat provides to the businessmen/influential people/ celebrities, which has very high growth rate in India even if it already has high base of income, but still its growth rate is very high due to high level of industrialization, and hence generating more taxes, employment, prosperity, new technologies this way????

    hence here, how exactly West Bengal's government is good for its people, while not helping those businessmen who may bring prosperity to this state???????
     
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    Establishing Homeland Security as a National Priority

    we need a strong homeland security system, which would link all the government's systems of the country to achieve the common goals. and i have some more ideas in this regard, along with the goals/mission/vision etc Indian systems already have, for their purpose to establish a proper homeland security :thumb:

    1st; a common civilian must have at least 2 identity card, while walking on the streets. Youth Literacy Rate of India would touch 90% by this year, and it means that the common civilians are responsible to to declare their identity at any time, whatever requested by a police man. along with Voter ID card, a civilian must be able to show at least one more ID, either Pan card/ DL/ birth certificate, to avoid going to police custody for a while, until he/she manage to show at least 2 IDs....

    2nd; every person taking birth must have a birth certificate. and not having the same must bring punishment for the parents of that certain kid taking birth.

    3rd; India needs to make its systems more "EFFECTIVE" now to face the global challenges, which won't be handicapped by any political party..... something like, a proper Home Land Security with bringing the different departments together to achieve the common goal, which would be linked with each others, no matter which party comes in power. and hence the whole system would then work as a single system to ensure the security of the nation as whole. an EFFECTIVE enough system which may put any person on the trial, if he/she doesn't do his/her honestly, violate laws while his employment for personal benefits. and example of Mr PVN Rao must be given to all those who may come in power, of any party :india:
    (and why not, its not just India but we have example of many other Democratic countries where there was no law to defend the corrupts PM/President, when they didn't do their duty honestly. whether former pres of US, Mr B.Clinton who could hardly avoid punishment for having sex with his secretory during working hour, former Indonesian Pres Mr Suharto was sent to jail for corruption, former Italian PM was also sent behind the bars last year, bla bla.)

    4th; we need a system which would be 'primarily' meant to defend those people who are building the nations, mainly top businessmen/ celebrities and other influential people, who have influence on the society to an extent.... and the concept behind it, "there is no meaning to sacrifice lives of our soldiers on the border if we can't defend those who are building the nation. who have influence on the society to an extent" :disagree:

    for example of top business people/ billionaires, who are billionaires not because they have money in pocket, but they billionaires in terms of the industries they have, which provides employments, generate high taxes on the their businesses. the tax revenue which the government use for helping common people/ build infrastructure. their industries also introduce new technologies to improve overall life of common Indian civilians this way. (for example, how cheap mobile service has changed life of common people to an extent.). i even favor a Cabinate level security for the top 50+ businessmen of India. (while hoping that these businessmen may afford to pay for the expanses of their security too, if the government ask.) and I would like to see its start from the gentleman as below :india:

    Have already given 25% of my wealth to charity: Azim Premji, Wipro - Economic Times
    similarly we need a reasonable level of security for other businessmen, influential people of India, who have enough influence on the society, and hence they must be defended by the systems of Indian society too. we won't reach a day when our these honored businessmen/celebraties/other influential people may become toys on the hands of those who may then use these people against Indian society itself :disagree:

    =>
    I think, the businessmen may themselves pay for the expanses, if the government ask. while it may be little expansive for the lower order businessmen/celebrities etc, so it would be negotiated :thumb:

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    a very fair question and I appreciate your contribution in this thread. from here, could you please let us know, what good you find in this post which is about giving special status to those people who are building this country? I mean, do you find few good things in my post, what exactly I meant to say here?

    (there is a difference between Arts and Science and when we deal with the Arts, if we lose something on the one aspect then we gain on other side at the same time. thats true.....)

    from here, please check this news as below and make a comment on it. why the 'would be' largest selling car of India, the cheapest car, the NANO's manufacturer preferred to move to Gujarat from West Bengal? while even Kolkatta, one of the 4 metro, is located in this state? what exactly the Gujarat provides to the businessmen/influential people/ celebrities, which has very high growth rate in India even if it already has high base of income, but still its growth rate is very high due to high level of industrialization, and hence generating more taxes, employment, prosperity, new technologies this way????

    hence here, how exactly West Bengal's government is good for its people, while not helping those businessmen who may bring prosperity to this state???????
     
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    We Need a Stronger and "Effective" Systems of India

    the System, which can't be handicapped by either Politicians or Bureacrats

    Few Key Points on this topic may be summarized as below: :thumb:


    1st; Ministers and Bureaucrats/ Diplomats are only the "FACES" of the Society and their departments

    They are only the 'paid' servants for the purpose of their job

    my above post has a simple meaning that, "President-PM-Ministers, including bureaucrats/diplomats are nothing but the paid servants to serve the people who feed them by taxes. they are only the 'faces' of the society-departments, they belong to, and for the purpose to serve the people who have appointed them, the common civilians........"

    and the time any of the 'face' of their concerned departments doesn't do his/her work honestly, he/she would be straight kicked, punished for violating the concerning laws related to his/her job, no matter which party comes in power, and who is the PM-President-Minister-Secretary etc.

    India needs to give more and more strength to its systems, which would be more linked with each others to achieve the common goal, and these 'faces' are responsible to make sure that they represent the 'systems' which is running properly, only. the systems which are for the purpose to serve the common public of India, for what these 'FACES' receive salaries.


    2nd; Ministers-Bureaucrats ('FACES') may only represent the Systems/ the concerning departments

    They are responsible to make sure that the Systems are running Properly, 'ONLY'

    Minister-Bureaucrats having Arts Subjects in IAS exams-Politics can't interfere in any of the professional departments, related to engineering-economics-finance-strategic issues-laws-defence-trade-foreign relations etc :nono:

    the 'FACES' of a country, Ministers/Bureaucrats, who mainly have Arts Studies, are only the paid servants who do their jobs in return of the salaries they receive from the Tax Payers of a country, including India. and this also means that they will be brought on punishment if they will misuse government resources for their personal benefits ..... Mr N.Rao would be taken as an example for these new faces to confirm that even being Prime Minister is not enough to avoid punishment, if they fails to comply with the laws, if they fails to do their jobs honestly, for what these ministers/bureaucrats receive salaries from the tax money of Indian civilians

    whether its MMS or Modi, we need a system which may put any person on trial, no matter which position he/she holds. we have example of many democratic countries where no laws could defend the corrupt president/PMs when they failed to do their job with honesty. along with Mr PVN Rao, we have many examples like Mr Suharto of Indonesia, just a former Italian PM was sent to jail, Mr B.Clinton could hardly avoided imprisonment for having sex with his secretary during office time......

    having a high position doesn't mean that you now own that whole department/ organization to sell it for the personal benefits :nono:

    => Few People can't be the reasons for destruction of a country of 1.3billion people :nono:. the letter of Father of Nation of India, while talking to the second father of nation Netaji SC Bose, must be taken as an example to teach a lesson to these new leaders who always want to use the systems of India to serve their personal interests....

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    India needs "Functioning/Effective Systems" to avoid attacks on the individuals

    I think the time has come when government agencies of India would start doing practice of my above post#6. while keeping the Systems on front and keep faces down, to handle the national interests with full strength as whole :thumb:

    (which will at least avoid attacks on the individuals, while targeting the national interests....... and don't forget, defending the patriots is more important than keeping traitors safe to keep pleasing/ making others happy anyhow...... and practicing a 'Functioning Systems' as whole, of different departments for different national concerns, will obviously help the Patriots to make it work properly 'as whole', no matter how many 'holes' they have got already.)
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    Visa on Arrival For Bangladeshis in India

    and how Bangladesh is included?

    this Modi always emerged, looks like a spy of Bangladesh, to destroy this country, finally. who looks like having enough support from US/UK too in this regard.....

    and here, how this man can allow visa on arrival for Bangladeshis until US/UK/Australia/Canada themselves haven't allowed these shiits of Bangladesh in their their homeland? while we have been demanding even Permanent Visa on Arrival for Bangladeshis in US/UK, then how this Bangladeshi born spy of US/UK doing this in India, until US/UK themselves don't want the same?





    whats the credibility of this news?

    it would be for the few selected countries only, how can you have visa on arrival to whole world, including for those neighbors who will only use this facility against this country?

    this man Modi always looks working for the enemies of this country? :tsk:
     
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    sir, how much do we need to kill this man, Modi, how many around him, mainly guards?????

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    how much is required to kill this N.Modi, a Bangladeshi born spy of US/UK, how far is he found from one bullet, on the right place? dont we have even one guard around him for this purpose?
     
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    British's Slave Mentality

    sir, this type of news by British media only confirm their 'slave mentality'. India type emerging economy growing with such a healthy pace and interfering in this country only state Slave Mentality of British and British origins of US/Canada/Australia etc. that is, they will either make slaves or will become slaves, but certainly they can't build their society from start again :wave:

    :toilet:
     
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    Further to the above statement, i prepared a post as below too, which may have a place here too, i think :thumb:

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    Indian Democracy and it Values, we Proud on

    The meaning of Independence India got in 1947

    in short i may say,

    "as part of our freedom, there is no law in India which makes difference among the people based on religion/ race/ language/ state etc, there is no super human like British anymore in India, and now we pay taxes to that Indian government which use it for the purpose to help the people based in India, not for the WW1 and WW2 to help Britain. with providing Equal Rights to all and more opportunities to the weak part of Indian society like Dalits/ Women, in terms of reservations in jobs/competitive exams and that's fair. at the same time we proud to say that we had many minorities Presidents/ PMs/ Chief Ministers/ Governors/ Chief Justice/ IAS topper/ Bollywood superstar/ Cricket Team Captain etc, and we proud to say that we got this type of country from our elders who fought for our freedom and we are responsible to give the same type of country to our coming generation too. we just can't compromise our "Independence" for any reason. and we have to defend our Independence from any type of external threat, which we are currently facing in terms of Sectarian War mainly in North East, from the Bangladeshi infiltration..."
    "We now pay tax to that Indian government which use the tax money to help the people based in India itself, develop infrastructure in India to improve life of the people based in India, while before that we were paying tax to that British Government to help them in their wars. Mr Gandhi struggled to have Industries in India, who may then provide jobs to Indians and hence pay taxes to Indian government for the purpose to use this tax for the people based in India. and yes we have got that 'freedom', and trying to improve. and we now proud to say that we have made a place where the most deserving people get higher success, regardless in which family they took birth, (of any religion/ race/ language/state etc). and we hope India will become one of the best place to live by using their talent/ knowledge this way" :india:

    the above statement used the word "super human British" before 1947, frequent use of "freedom", "independence", as i prepared my above statement on 15th August last year........ the above statement has a clear sense to demonstrate "democratic structure" of India on the world platform, in terms of "Equal Rights" for all, "more opportunities" for weak part of society like Women/Schedule Caste in different exams/ jobs, as we have. with putting concern over the growing threats of "Sectarian Wars" in north east region due to Bangladeshi Infiltration. here, Freedom/ Independence of India is defined in terms of "Non-Religious Foundation" of Indian Democracy of Hindu Majority, and our Independence/ Freedom has the main threats from 'Sectarian Wars', fueled and funded by rogue neighbors of India......
     
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    look, what we can do and can't do, its a national issue, and security is the first priority of India, the nation.

    we dont want shiits from these rogue neighbors of India, but we welcome any country of world, whether US or UK, who offer Visa on Arrival for Bangladeshi infiltrators, to reduce our security burdens :thumb:

    we can defend ourselves, its true :india:


    International Laws: as per the International laws, which favor to shoot down/destroy any incoming object/person coming towards the International border before reach at a certain distance, which doesn't stop after few warnings. as it may have destructive materials which may be harmful to the country, of concern. and once it reach a certain distance even after few warnings, the defending country is allowed to use whatever arms it has, to defend itself.

    and yes, we as a nation can well destroy/remove any incoming threats to our society :india:

    with that, we favor direct citizenship for the Bangladeshi and Pakistani people for US and its allies, if they want this in their country. but we dont want the shiits :wave:

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    I prepared a post in this regard as below, which may have a place here too, i think :thumb:


    => A Country is Responsible to Build Itself Only

    we can only have better friendship/ trade relations with other nations, including our neighbors

    I also discussed that its very simple to talk to the representatives of Pakistan/ Bangladesh, if you have fair intentions. India is responsible to build its own society, Chinese is for China and yes they have done the work to an extent, Brazilians are doing so too, and similarly Pakistan/ Bangladesh have to do little more to build their society.with respect to the level of population of Bangladesh, which is more than even the largest country of the world by area, Russia, no one would let them enter in their country straight away from the border, no one will offer them citizenship on arrival, and there is no need to invite destruction to this country only :nono:
    :tsk:

    we have seen may minorities sitting on the border of India-Pakistan, also running from Bangladesh due to local riots/ Sectarian Wars, as discussed in the thread too, but we can hardly make 100 times request to our neighbors to have more sympathy for their minorities, who are badly suffered from Sectarian Wars there. but we mustn't let this problem come to India, definitely not :no: . we can only have good friendship/ trade with others, but we certainly can't interfere in other countries, nor they can do the same with India too.....

    and with that, we always welcome all those countries who invite people from Bangladesh-Pakistan as India is already overly populated :thumb:


    => Our Freedom, The Independence We Got in 1947

    and its all about our Freedom/ Independence we got in 1947, as discussed before. there was a time when we had "Super Human" as British, while now we have "Equal Rights" for all the people of India, with Equal Opportunities, regardless their religion/ race/ language/ state etc, along with providing more opportunities to the weak part of Indian Society like Schedule Caste and Female in different jobs/ exams, with scholarships for them only etc, and that's fair. we now pay tax to that Indian government which use the tax money to help the people based in India itself, develop infrastructure in India to improve life of the people based in India, while before that we were paying tax to those British to help them in their wars. Mr Gandhi struggled to have Industries in India, who may then provide jobs to Indians and hence pay taxes to Indian government for the purpose to use this tax revenue for the people based in India. and yes we have got that 'freedom', and trying to improve. and we now proud to say that we have made a place where the most deserving people get higher success, regardless in which family they took birth, (of any religion/ race/ language/state etc). and we hope India will become one of the best place to live by using their talent/ knowledge this way :india:

    but we find Pakistan/ Bangladesh still on the same colonized state, where all the people of all the community don't have equal rights/ equal opportunities, highly violent and overly populated. but here again, we may hardly show our best wishes for them, but we certainly can't let India destroyed for any reason, whether secularism or anything else.... we may either request our neighbors to help their people who are running from there, or, we may hardly request rest of the world to invite them, but we certainly can't compromise with our 'freedom'/ 'independence' of India. :nono:
     
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    and why exactly would India feed these people withni? why would we invite shiits from Bangladesh, 80% people affected by mal-nutrition, a member of LDCs who can't help itself without Humanitarian aid, and then they are coming to India :toilet:

    but i would like to see the converties among the forward caste, or the "Gandhian" caste, like how second PM of India, Mr LB Shastri converted into Gandhian caste :india:



    i just made a response to a Bangladeshi member on another forum as below, which may have a place here too :thumb:


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    they will be killed in India, similar to terrorists entering in other countries and dead on the border :thumb:


     
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    the Greatest Challenge Imposed on India, the Nation

    False ID holders coming to India, fueled and funded by its rogue neighbors, is the biggest challenge on India at present. these false Id holders having Indian IDs are now representing India in India and overseas, in mass numbers in fact. i even know many Pakistani Muslims in Sikh turbans living in Canada too.....

    and Azmal Kasab with Hindu type red stings on his hands as below is the best example we have right now.....

    with the fact that you won't get anyone alive like Kasab next time, who attacked on local Shivaji Station just to organized Hindu-Muslim riots in Mumbai, even if they were holding Taj/Obrai hotels. these false ID holders of Pakistan and Bangladesh needs to be tackled as the first step of foreign policy. a man was caught otherwise India might be facing Hindu-Muslim riots similar to early 90s, and Indian government agencies won't have luxury to get someone alive next time, its also true.......


    => @Ray
    "Indian" Muzahidin coming from Pakistan and Bangladesh, with Hindu Type Red Stings on hands like Azmal Kasab in the above picture, and then we find them having support in this regard in India itself, as per the news as below :facepalm:

     
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    That was a very good article. Homeland security is very critical for us now. In India it is very easy to get identity cards, thats why lacs of pakis & bangladeshis roam freely in India.The simple way would always be to target the muslim ghettos in India, like Beed mentioned in the article. The ghettos are the places where the terrorists stay,plan & make recces. There is & will always be the local contact & logistics unit for the paki terrorists in India, as we see Indian muslims easily become jihadis & get brain washed. I hope the new government forms an intelligence unit to eliminate the local sleeper cells as a part of homeland security.
     
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    a similar news we have as below too :facepalm:

     
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    Further to the last few posts, discussing "Indian" Muzahidin coming from Pakistan and Bangladesh, we now have got these elements in US/Western nations also, representing Indians there :facepalm:
     
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    you wrong

    Pakistan+Bangladesh, as a highly Muslim population is a threat/design for anti-India activities/sentiments, because of very high Islamic Fanatic population.

    and we have to defend ourselves on the border, check any increase in people to people connectivity between our people with these two rogue neighbors of India :thumb:

    we don't believe in SAARC, expect burden on our border, because of our geographical conditions :toilet:



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    you are wrong again

    we dont want any action in other countries, including Bangladesh, as we may defend our Indo-BD border with the resources available in our country, within :thumb:
    :india:

    we are well capable to destroy/eliminate any incoming threats to our people/society, and hence we need not to worry how this overly populated Muslim country deal with its internal problems, the Bangladesh. we simply aren't worried with others, except our international obligations :wave:

    International Laws: as per the International laws, which favor to shoot down/destroy any incoming object/person coming towards the International border before reach at a certain distance, which doesn't stop after few warnings. as it may have destructive materials which may be harmful to the country, of concern. and once it reach a certain distance even after few warnings, the defending country is allowed to use whatever arms it has, to defend itself.

    with that, we favor direct citizenship for the Bangladeshi and Pakistani people for US and its allies, if they want this in their country. but we dont want the shiits :wave:

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    a long time we discussed, "if I would like to have neighbors of India then i would dream it to be located in South America, in the neighborhood of South American countries."

    and whenever we have a look on the state of Pakistan and Bangladesh type overly populated Islamic Fanatic countries, and its consequences on India as whole, then i only remember the statement of a former Indian PM as below :facepalm:




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    Mr, we can defend ourselves, and destroy/remove every threats to our society. there are too many options :india:
     
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    India has to be ready to sacrifice a part of society for the good/Independence/respect of rest

    Islamic Fanaticism by involvements of Bangladesh+Pakistan, is funded by Saudi Arabia and supported by US/UK

    sir, time has come when we all have to be ready to sacrifice a part of our people, for the good/Independence/respect of rest of society.

    we had first half of 20th century for fighting for Independence, then 50s/60s/70s for building rural infrastructure, and then 80s to last decade for Industrialization. while now we have the time of wars related to Religion/Race/Identity/Culture/Belief/Language etc, and here we may need valuable experience of 10th to 18th century of Religious wars, the key experience in this regard. :ranger:

    Islamic Fanaticism in India is rising by the direct involvements of Pakistan+Bangladesh, funded by Saudi Arabia, and 'fully' supported by US/UK, with their 'belief' that, "Organizing Internal Conflicts among the people, 'divide and rule', would finally help them establish 'Commonwealth Rule' over Indian Subcontinent as whole."

    an effort is in place to 'unite'/'more people to people connectivity among people of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh to have further conspiracies like how we find Indian Muzahidin like Azmal Kasab coming from India, with hindu type red stings on hands, who killed Mr Karkare, the Sanjhauta Express investigator too to give enough reasons for Hindu groups involvements in Mumbai attack. one person, Kasab, was caught otherwise Mumbai attack conspiracy was almost successful. and you won't have this type of luxury of getting someone like Azmal Kasab, 'alive' to prove that they were not qualified for representing 'Indian' Muzahidin, whether Hindu or Muslims..... and this type of people to people connectivity/uniting Pakistan+Bangladesh is a direct effort to fulfill the these intentions

    i know many of Canada in Sikh Turbans who say they are Sikhs from Pakistan, while they are the Pakistani Muslims, in fact. we even know Indian Muzahidin came in light by the first bomb blasts during the IPL 2008, we never heard about this organization before. and now it has become the most serious terrorist organization working against India, the nation, at present. and the news we are getting confirms that Indian Muzahidin has very high rise in the North East and West Bengal region because of increased participants of Bangladeshi members. and hence having a control on the Bangladeshi infiltrators/ stopping them to come to India, in the key in this regard......

    as a single man, i personally find this "Existential Threat" imposed on India, the nation, is 'totally' governed by the establishments of US/UK/Commonwealth, while the players of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Bangladesh are just the toys. and hence we do need to have allies in this regard too. this is the "existential wars", the world is moving towards from now, and we need friends in this regard. and among them, we find our one of the closest Ally, Burma, who just had high level riots within, between Buddhist to Muslim from Bangladesh, on the other hand we have Iran+Iraq type Shia Majority countries, who may help us even wipe out Saudi Arabia as whole too, if required, even if we know that the main behind all these are the US/UK..... we may need a type of wars which may require, "leaving none taking breath in any certain region too", for the good/independence/respect, for the shake of our coming generation....

    and we do expect to have help on this regard from the similar interested countries like Japan, China, Thailand, Vietnam etc type countries, as we do know that once we will move towards 'divide' on the name of Religion/Race/Culture/ Identity/Belief etc, we will get allies in this regard too, obviously. hence the black countries of Africa also may find themselves comfortable with us...

    we have to be ready to sacrifice a part of us/ our people, for the good/respect/independence, of all. we are moving towards wars from now onward, and only war preparation we need in this regard. like, twice police, twice CRPF etc, twice expenditure on the Internal Security, with enough storage of WMDs may also be required in this regard. if Russia has over 10,000 nuclear weapons, not because they want to destroy the whole world 300-400 times, even 100-200 is enough to completely destroy this world, true. but they know the meaning of preparation. while im mainly concerned with an enough storage of chemical and biological weapons, which may help us 'clean up' few areas as whole, if required...

    we are moving towards only wars from now onwards, for our people/freedom/independence/society/respect, to maintain dignity of our coming generation, and the "worthy cost" will be required in this regard

    :india:
     

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