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    The Union home ministry is working on a proposal to create Lok Sabha seats in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir in what is being seen as a far-fetched and potentially controversial move to assert India's right on the territory.
    Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde is reviewing the proposal, which involves amending Article 81 of the Indian constitution, and is said to believe that the change should be made early.

    Top MHA officials led by Home Secretary Anil Goswami, who is from the Jammu and Kashmir cadre, held discussions earlier this month and felt that the matter needs to be legally examined by the law and justice ministry first.

    The officials have cited the composition of the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly where 24 seats are reserved for Pakistan-occupied Kashmir but are vacant as the territory is in Pakistan's control. However, these seats are not taken into account to consider the total membership of the Assembly.

    "It is strongly felt that there is a need for making amendment in Article 81 of the Indian constitution so as to include a provision similar to the provision in the Jammu and Kashmir constitution for keeping seats vacant for the Lok Sabha in respect of the territory illegally occupied by Pakistan," says the MHA proposal, prepared by joint secretary R K Srivastava.

    "It is not understood as to how a reference to this provision was not included in the Indian constitution and how this mismatch has occurred in the two constitutions," the proposal adds.

    While stressing on the need for the law ministry's opinion, the proposal says that "an amendment in the Indian constitution would give weightage to the statement made by the Prime Minister and the resolutions passed by the Parliament" — a reference to India's public assertions that PoK is an integral part of India and will remain so.

    "It is important that we claim our right on the territory forcibly occupied by

    Pakistan, even if the Lok Sabha seats like Assembly remain vacant," said a top MHA official.

    Analysts, however, feel the move is incongruous with reality as India has for long emphasised the sanctity of the Line of Control and does not really expect to

    reclaim PoK.

    Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just in case - Indian Express
     
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    The Call of the Brainfever bird (or Common Hawk Cuckoo)!
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    one question,by recognizing pok as indian part and giving mp seats for it,does it automatically recognizes the residents in pok to be members of india.any legal problems by doing so.for example they wont need ant passport to enter india..
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    Excellent move I believe @Yusuf had said this ?
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    Only those who are willing to recognize Indian hegemony or want refugee status in India, can be allowed, provided they survive the bureaucracy. Something we do with the refugee Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan and Afghanistan.
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    This news deserves a celebratory wank :D
     
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    Totally cosmetic, appealing to the gallery, and is of no consequence.
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    Now, what's all this supposed to mean? If our law makers want to reinforce our claim on PoK then why did they propose to Pakistan that LoC should be made international border? Seems like they can't just decide what they want.
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    Such duplicity is important. This levels the playing field, Pakis had nothing to lose by maintaining the status quo as long they have nothing to lose with LOC not being an international border. A very good strategy.
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    PoK is a disputed region nowadays, right ? so won't this move be met with a not so good response from pakis ?
     
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    I am ready to be the National Security Advisor :D
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    PoK is not disputed territory. Its illegally occupied by Pak. That's what Indian position should be anyway
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    so why did the ministry decided to keep lok sabha seats in PoK all of a sudden, when it could have been done many years back ?
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    one question who is going to vote for those seats or how is mp/mla going to be choosen

    Or GoV of the day is going to nominate their mp/mla for majority
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    i know about refugees from pakistan but never heard about afghanistan.even going by above its always a danger game imo
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    No proposal to create Lok Sabha seats in PoK: Govt

    NEW DELHI: The Union home ministry, red-faced over a leaked internal note in which a joint secretary-level officer discussed the creation of Lok Sabha seats in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, on Tuesday clarified that no such proposal was under its consideration.

    According to sources in the ministry, the joint-secretary level officer had sought a clarification on the constitutional position vis a vis representation of PoK in the Lok Sabha, just like the region accounts for 24 seats in the J&K assembly that remain vacant.

    "The officer concerned had doubts as to whether the provision for PoK's representation in the state assembly should also be applicable to the Lok Sabha... however, the constitutional position, which rules out any such arrangement at the parliamentary level, was explained to him and the matter ended there," a senior MHA official told TOI.

    "I can assure you that no representation has been received from any political party, government or stakeholder in J&K for creating Lok Sabha constituencies for PoK," the official said and claimed that the option was, at best, stillborn, with neither the home minister or home secretary in the loop. However, observers viewed the ministry's clarification with scepticism, wondering if it was part of a ploy to lay the entire blame at the joint secretary's door to save the higher-ups.

    A report in a section of the media had on Tuesday claimed that the proposal to provide Lok Sabha seats for PoK, which would need amendment of Article 81 of the Constitution, was reviewed at the level of the home secretary. Considering the ramifications of such a move on the sanctity of the Line of Control and India-Pakistan relations, a home ministry spokesperson issued a prompt denial, saying "there is no such proposal under consideration of MHA".

    No proposal to create Lok Sabha seats in PoK: Govt - The Times of India
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    How can India offer MP seats in a region where it has no power to enforce Indian laws? Might as well open Lok Sabha seats for Mongolia. It's just like keep showing PoK in Indian maps even though there is no Indian administration there.
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    Read my piece in the link I've posted above
     
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    Re: Home Ministry's brainwave: Keep some Lok Sabha seats for PoK, just

    I read it and I see what you are trying to say, but the fact remains that at some point India would have to use armed forces in the region. Otherwise it would be a handful of People from the region living in India and trying to look as if they represent the people of PoK.
     
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