Home Ministry considers dividing Uttar Pradesh into smaller states

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    Home Ministry considers dividing Uttar Pradesh into smaller states
    Jun 14, 2014

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    Given the abysmal state of law and order and rising misgovernance in UP, reports that the Union home ministry is seriously looking at the possibility of dividing this state into smaller units are welcome. Thanks to its sheer size, governing UP is a Herculean task. If it were a country, UP would be the seventh most populous in the world. But its population isn't prospering. Despite the human and material resources at its disposal, this state has high infant mortality and maternal mortality rates, and a per capita income less than half the national average. Basically this state is one of the worst governed in the country.

    It's not as if the political class has been oblivious to the challenges posed by UP's size. In 2011, when Mayawati was chief minister, its state assembly even passed a resolution on UP's division into four smaller states — Bundelkhand, Purvanchal, Awadh Pradesh and Pashchim Pradesh. Such a division makes eminent sense for administrative convenience. True, there are several factors that need to be considered to ascertain the viability of new states. The 2000 batch of smaller states threw up mixed results, with Uttarakhand and Chhattisgarh doing markedly better than Jharkhand. Hence, the final contours of new units arising out of UP's division should be settled only after careful deliberations, and in consultation with the state government.

    If Modi's government were to push this proposal seriously, it should get support from Congress which has expressed approval of it in the past. In fact, leaders like Jairam Ramesh are on record with the opinion that the state in its present form is ungovernable. Never mind parochial linguistic, ethnic or cultural factors, UP's division is merited purely on administrative grounds. This should allow a clear-headed approach to this proposal, which is gaining support every day that UP's governance graph is sliding south.
     
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    Will division improve law and order in Uttar Pradesh?- DNA

    Amid rising incidents of rape and murder in Uttar Pradesh, talks of bifurcation of the state are again doing the rounds. Speculations are rife that Modi led government with clear majority in the Lok Sabha is likely to go ahead with an old demand of dividing the state. But the moot question is that will the split improve states’ prevailing law and order situation?

    Although, experts are divided on the issue of law and order yet they are united on the fact that it (split) will improve the administration in the state.

    Prakash Singh, former Director General of Police (DGP), Uttar Pradesh supported the splitting of the state into two parts and hoped it will help in improving policing in the state. He said, “It is likely that split will improve states’ crime index. Bifurcation will give rise to a new ray of hope for a better administration and governance.”

    The recent Badaun rape case again brought the focus back on splitting the state. The grim situation also pointed towards inadequate police force in the state. Despite being the most populous state, Uttar Pradesh is languishing with inadequate police force, according to the latest data by Bureau of Police Research and Development (BPR&D) that comes under the home ministry. In India while 733 people are looked after by one constable, in UP the figure stand at 1234 people. As per the data, in UP, a constable is available in every 1.43 sq. kms as against the sanctioned strength of 0.65 sq. kms.

    Singh found politicisation of state police as one important factor in increasing crime rate. “To an extent, police are responsible for increase in crime in UP. A special community has been getting space in the police department with the help of politicians who later serve them.” Singh added.

    However, Prof. Ranbir Singh, member of Sri Krishna Committee on Telangana constituted in 2010 believes that governance is more important than size of the state. He argued, “I don’t think, bifurcation will solve UP’s prevailing law and order situation. It doesn’t matter whether a state is small or big, what matters is governance.” He indicated that there are many small states which stand poor on the crime index.

    The bifurcation of UP, is not BJP’s brainchild as it an old demand. Before 2011 assembly polls, the then CM Mayawati proposed splitting of the state into four parts: Avadh, Purvanchal, Bundelkhand and Harit Pradesh. At that time BJP and Congress had also supported the proposal.

    However, now BJP seems to be having objections regarding Harit Pradesh proposal. As per news reports Amit Shah wants Avadh and Harit Pradesh regions to be combined. The Article 3 of constitution empowers the Parliament to enact a legislation to create a new state or divide an existing one. In 2000, NDA government under Atal Bihari Vajpayee carved out Uttarakhand from UP, Jharkhand from Bihar and Chhattisgarh from Madhya Pradesh.

    With the formation of Telangana this week, India now has 29 states. Furthermore, according to news reports, home ministry has already received the recommendation of 20 new states. Apart from UP, demand for separate states includes Braj Pradesh comprising Rajasthan’s Bharatpur district, Gwalior district of Madhya Pradesh and two districts in UP, Aligarh and Agra, Bhojpur state comprising areas of UP, Bihar and Chhattisgarh. In Maharashtra, there is an old demand for creation of Vidharbha state. Demand for Gorkhaland in West Bengal and Bodoland in Assam have also been pending with the centre. But, will BJP bow to people’s demand in those states, that’s the million dollar question?
     
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    i am for it. Thumbs up if Modi government does this.
     
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    It should be done.
    @rock127 , the problem with Jharkhand was not with lack of resources (actually it has plenty), it was lack of good leadership at the helm of the government. Too many corrupt leaders are ruling Jharkhand & that is crux of the problem.
     
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    I don't think that partition can save UP or Bengal. It is all about Demographics-Yadav-Muslim combine will continue to flourish in this stinkhole
     
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    So-called experts are clueless about ground-reality. Nothing is gonna change, except even more mal-administration & corruption.

    Shoddy diagnosis. Incongrous cure.

    God save India from these pseudo-experts who know little beyond speculation.
     
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    UP has gone lawless and one of the basic thing to be done is breaking the निरंकुश or Autocratic rule of Mullayum-Akhilesh who think they are the Maharaja and Praja is a slave.Instead they blame Media that they show what they are doing. Power has made them extremely arrogant and out of control and unanswerable.The common man in UP is suffering and last 2 years have seen 300+ odd riots and 200 dead and thousands injured.

    Now because of the lawlessness UP is condemned UN and US has put UP on par with countries like Iraq,Syria,Libya on watch list.

    Thanks to UP that India surfaces on daily columns of International media on it's daily and ever increasing barbaric crimes specially against women.

    Saharanpur riots were 'meticulously planned': Police say culprits set out to divide Sikhs and Muslims in UP
     
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    I am for dividing UP into four states because smaller states are better administered. If divided, at least some part of that big state gets a chance at redemption.
     
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    It should be done !
    Punjab was divided into three different states of HP, Haryana and Punjab. All three are amongst the best in the country
     
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    UP should be divided :truestory: for its own good but India is already having more states then the the alphabets of the English letters, I like the US style of state division :notbad:
     
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    Divide the states (across the country) in such a way that no state get more than 30 Lok Sabha seats. It will change many things at once.
     
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    If you divide based on demographics then it is a win for SP (since Yadavs are concentrated) and a loss for Mayawati (since she relies on SC/ST vote, more diffused). Hopefully, with division, at least Western UP can be saved.
     
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    UP should not be divided...

    I am going to quote Groucho Marx here as it described the situation correctly:

     
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    UP is a big state both population & geography wise. Currently it cannot be administered effectively. Only dividing it into small manageable states can be alleviate situation. Uttarakhand has flourished once it came out of UP.
     
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    Now Haryana should get it's own capital.Enough leeching on Chandigarh which is Punjabi.

    Gurgaon is the best option to be the capital of Haryana.
     
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    There are many more players... Mayawati can definitely rule 1 of the proposed UP states and rest 2 can be done by BJP.The thing is that the power center of UP would be divided.I have talked to many UP walla's who are my good friends and they also agree that 2-4 parts is the need since it's too huge and problamatic and specially 1 man goondaraj.

    Let's not decide Bengal here since it's a different case.
     
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    Who assures that division serves the purposes. their is nothing like UP is not manageable, but the thing is who is managing it.
    The Netas, Babu, Police, Bahubali, Dacoits, Criminals all are same in UP so how can we say that division of the state decrease the crime rate.
    Now UP is a junkyard, people are frustrating and moving out of state in search of better options. But then what will happen to UP, who will handle it.
     
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    One more thing dividing UP in this manner only increase the discrimination. As you can see NOIDA,and NCR goes in Pashchim Pradesh which is already good enough.
    Second Lucknow and Kanpur with IITs and all goes in Avadh which is also well settled.
    Remaining Purvanchal and Bundelkhand are the worst with nothing left, so what will happen to them.
     
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    Yeah ! could be, plus you don't find much Haryanavis in Chandigarh. Most people here are from Punjab.
     
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    Do you think the law,order,governance is more important of just less # of states?

    Population of US is 32 cr and India has 125 cr ie. India has 4 times more population than US.

    US has 50 states and India has 29.
     

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