Hitler a management guru?

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  1. Yusuf

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    LONDON: Adolf Hitler is seen as a management guru by business students who are lapping up the Nazi dictator's autobiography 'Mein Kampf' for inspiration, a news report has said.

    The Nazi leader's autobiography is flying off the shelves at Indian book stores as some students regard the former dictator as a business strategy role model, the Daily Telegraph reported.

    Booksellers told the British daily that while it is looked upon in most countries as a 'Nazi Bible', in India it is considered a management guide in the mould of Spencer Johnson's "Who Moved My Cheese".

    Sales of the book over the last six months topped 10,000 in the Indian capital alone, according to leading stores, who said it appeared to be becoming more popular with every year, the report said.

    According to some book sellers, the surge in sales was from students who see it as a self-improvement and management strategy guide for aspiring business leaders, and who were happy to cite it as an inspiration.

    "Students are increasingly coming in asking for it and we're happy to sell it to them," said Sohin Lakhani, owner of Mumbai-based Embassy books who reprints Mein Kampf every quarter and shrugs off any moral issues in publishing the book.

    "They see it as a kind of success story where one man can have a vision, work out a plan on how to implement it and then successfully complete it," Lakhani was quoted as saying in the report.
     
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  3. Paritosh

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    he was both a good manager and a bad manager...he did the intrinsic things right...but miscalculated the extrinsic features of the war he was initiating...his calculation of being able to blunt all the armies was almost perfect...but his judgement of the power extende to him by mussolini and japan and the threat of the US and the soviets was gorrsly miscalculated...in attacking the Soviets after his treaty with Stalin...he commited a classic blunder....
    the Us was a big factor that Hitler overlooked...the americans had a good industrila base..and were not a true power before the war...but since the war did not touch the american mainland...and their industries remeined free from war time damages..US sustained no damages and was able to produce a vast array of weapons...the result was that while The Germans, the Ruskies and the french and the Pommies...lost a large fraction of their industries to bombing raids...the Americans became the super power that they are today...Hitler should hvae calculated that....but he was a man who was an extremist...and to have a really long vision you need to be someone like Gandhi...
     
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    Of Course, Hitler is a very interesting case study. One can learn a lot from his successes, modus operandi, and also his failures. Mangement students can learn lot from his exploits, but they should also learn his limitations due to his ideological rigidity.

    But one thing, IMO, played a decisive role in his final defeat is his refusal to accept defeat for the day. To learn the importance of the strategy of "survive today to fight another day". Gurus on the subject can shed more light.
     
  5. Auberon

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    I'v read Mein Kampf, I found it to be a load of shit, far from a self improvement and mgmt guide IMO.


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    These are the same same idiots who read tsu zsu the art of war or whatever the hell it is to do better in buisness,
     
  7. Auberon

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    Hitler was a bad manager all through, he was just an excellent propagandist.
     
  8. LETHALFORCE

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    only thing people can really learn from hitler that can possibly be applied to buisness is kill your competition.
     
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    No 1 Rule in Business and Real life --> NEVER BITE OFF MORE THAN YOU CAN CHEW!

    Hitler broke this Rule by attacking Russians, which I say was his downfall. He could have handled the americans and the brits, but the Russians, well they were the Russians!

    So all you business folks out their, Hitlers life is a Warning to all of you not an Inspiration! lol
     
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    there can never be hard and fast rules for any business and as life is same is business and a simple rule used is a hit and trial method. which ever method gets you success is spoken off highly but that in no way guarantees that if the same method is used twice or more could yield same results over and again and as it is competition is so good that they rarely give you a second chance. as a matter of fact the first thing that is told in the corporate sector is to unlearn all that people have so far studied and keep the bookish knowledge away as the real world and situations that arise are each unique in their own ways. strategies get framed and executed there and then and there is hardly any time to ponder what the result will be though constant monitoring with sound analysis is of great help, as a matter of fact you can do n number of studies, research, get the best brains and still be a failure.


    theoretically skills that are inspiring of hitler and that need to be emulated would be the aggression, large scale project implementation, strategies and counter strategies, motivation, communication, team building, team work, execution, extract inside knowledge of what the competition is up to and much more related stuff which he seemed to have executed decently well.


    though the best thing i like about this whole frenzy is 10,000 books have been sold by the concerned company in 6 months. well if the real lesson was to be learnt then that lesson lies with the company that sold those 10,000 copies not with a certain hitler which all could have been learnt from any where by keeping your eyes, ears and brain open but sadly those skills never get developed by reading anything.
     
  11. S.A.T.A

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    People find inspiration in strangest of people and circumstances,so one cannot be faulted for falling for Hitler.While Hitler's own life would certainly make an interesting case study,i doubt his autobiography is as interesting.I never managed to get past the chapters dealing with his struggle in Vienna(long time ago)......Infact we get to learn very little or anything new about his early life from his biography.Rest of the book dealing with the fall of German Reich is a repetition of the nationalist discourse, carried in books and new prints, which was prevalent at the time.

    I personally take an affront when the German rise is often credited to the Nazis,nothing could be farther from the truth.You have to remember that between 1933 when Hitler was sworn in Chancellor of Germany and 1939 when the WW2 broke out,mere 6 years was not enough to rebuild German national strength.

    When Hitler became Chancellor,Germany had largely recovered from the effects of the great war,the great war had not destroyed her industries(which was still the best in Europe) and an intact armed f forces.

    The only thing that caught the German(and western) imagination was when Hitler effectively started rearming the German armed forces(who were forbidden to rearm under the treaty of Versailles)

    Hitler's costly rearmament was mostly enabled by Germany sound economy,which had recovered under the social democrats.

    Nazis cannot be given full credit for the hard work of others.
     
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    Thats why he was called a master propagandist as mentioned by Auberon.
     
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    The German Wehrmacht never believed in fighting war on two fronts.But When Hitler launched OP Barbarossa against USSR,Germany' western front was quiet.France,dutch and Belgium had been captured.Spain was effectively neutral and Italy was an axis ally.Austria Hungary and Czechoslovakia were already under German control.

    It made tremendous sense to attack USSR when your western and southern front was mostly secure and bottled up.German-USSR war was inevitable and Hitler couldn't have chosen a more perfect time to pick on the great bear.

    However it was put paid by several other factors that couldn't have been foretold.
     
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    ha ha...
    But seriously, AFAIK both Hitler and Napoleon were defeated when they tried to fight the Russia. Is there any special reason for this, I mean did Russia proved to be a formidable opposition to them or did they underestimate russian resistance or was it wrong timing or was it simply ' BITING MORE THAN THEY COULD CHEW'?


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    Just read your post. Plz also post on the exact reasons for Hitler's defeat in Russia, and could it have been averted? And how does it compare with Napoleon's defeat......
     
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    Biting more than he could chew and also under estimating the Russian resilience.
     
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    Russia's natural element is more formidable opponent than any other russian weapon - I read that it's the cold that killed more french soldiers in Russian campaign than the russian steel. Also, Napoleon's imperial guard lost mainly to the (okay I don't know the exact term, it is called in Bengali 'pora mati' tactics, where everything that can logistically support the invading force is burned and destroyed) Burned soil tactics of Russian army. Which Hitler faced too.

    Also, Russians always fought tooth-n-nail to any invading army and unlike other occupied territory Hitler's Nazi force's terror backfired as almost every russian join the struggle. German resources were already stretched in Europe, and Africa - but German army simply couldn't afford to attack Russia when it did, so it lost. Germany also had a limited supply of reinforcement in terms of troops, where russia had plenty of troops to commit as before invasion it didn't participate in WWII. Also, Russia was supported and supplied by America.
     
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    There were several reason why eventually Op Barbarossa failed,but none of them would in either way cloud the fact that the operation itself was essential and quite well thoughtout.In letter written to Mussolini,Hitlers expresses his thought of concern on the eastern front.Hitler is worried that the soviets are going to open up the eastern front and the evidence was the massing of soviet forces on the 1000 mile long eastern front with Germany and German occupied Baltic and Balkans.considering the surprise by which Barbarossa took the soviets,this must have been defensive posturing,as the soviets also claimed with the Germans.

    Whatever the act,Hitler was determined to take out the soviets from the equation when the going was good.he also thought that with USSR gone,Great Britain would agree to surrender or come to a compromise over the future of Europe and bring the war to an end.

    If we go into the details of the largest battle operation in the world war II(a record unbroken before or after the war),it was doomed from the beginning.OKW(German army HQ)had extensive studied the every battle that had been waged giant Russia,including Napoleon's disastrous 1812 campaign and they had devised a three pronged attack on the USSR.In the north pushing towards Leningrad was Gen Leeb's Army group North and in the south pushing towards Stalingrad,through Ukraine was the army group south.However the best and largest battlegroup was the army group center making headway to Moscow the soviet capital.

    The operation supposed to unfold in the early days of march-april 1941,this was calculated to give the Wehrmacht enough time to drive towards the Moscow,Leningrad(St Petersburg) and Stalingrad,before the onset of the Russian winter in November-December.However fate had it otherways.Much against his advise Italian dictator Mussolini made an ill advised move against neutral Greece and took a heavy beating.with the Greeks threatening Italian controlled Albania and opening up the southern flank.Germany had to come to aide of the bungling Italians.Its was only in April of 1941 that Hitlers army could break the Greek defense and occupy Greece.This diversion forced Hitler to postpone Barbarossa to may and later June and the in the hindsight,three to four months were wasted on the Greek front when he could have been heading to Moscow........This, as later events would transpire,prove costly for the Germans.

    Even though he had to delay Op Barbarossa by several months,thanks to his Russian blitzkrieg Hitler could still have managed to push into Russia proper and Moscow before the winters.The original plan was the take Leningrad in the north and join with the German forces in Finland,push towards Ukraine and capture Stalingrad and occupy the caucusus,with the northmen and southern flank covered the army group center could then make the push towards Moscow,where Soviet union had assembled its best fighting force under Marshall Tomishenko .However during the initial days the Wehrmacht,in the manner of the same Blitz that had conquered France,had pushed deep into soviet territories and had captured the strategically important city of Smolensk,just 200 miles away from Moscow(this was in July)

    This Blitzkrieg called for a change in plan,with the best Russian forces digging in to face the massive German army group center,Gen Von Bock,commander of the army group center wanted to continue all the way to the soviet capital.Hitler disagree and wanted to wait until his forces had occupied Leningrad in the north and army group south had captured Stalingrad.Nothing could persuade Hitler that with the fall of the Moscow,with the loss of leadership and communication,the defenses in Leningrad and Stalingrad would automatically collapse.

    Eventually with the Russians giving tough resistance in the south,esp at Stalingrad,Germany had to pull out panzer divisions from the army group center move them to the Crimea for reinforcement.While the Crimean occupation was successful,Germany too suffered heavily(in Stalingrad).the strength of his panzer division,which were later sent to the army group center,was greatly diminished and were in severe need for repairs.

    Eventually when Hitler gave orders for the Moscow push,its was already October and USSR was under heavy snowfall and rainfall,as a result the slushy terrain greatly impeded the German march towards Moscow.because the German forces had moved so far away from German soil,it was impossible to give them proper air cover(most German airfields were still in Germany and western/eastern Europe)and they came under heavy pressure from the soviet air force.

    German forces never made it to Moscow and even their victories in Leningrad and Stalingrad came at heavy cost,which tilted the military balance against the Germans.Germans could never consolidate their gains and they couldn't cripple the soviet leadership and communication.

    In the Napoleonic wars,the Czar's army never gave the french a chance to wage a decisive battle against the inferior Russians.the French kept going after the Russian hoping to finish them and eventually had to retreat due to bad weather conditions and because they were unable to pursue the Russian any further.Hitlers forces had the Russian in their sight and Russians could not retreat faster than the German blitz,but they lost plot when it mattered and failed to inflict a decisive blow to the bulk of the soviet forces which was defending Moscow.
     
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    The little corporal was a failed strategist, at various times he favored Leningrad, Moscow, Kiev, or the Caucasus, or even all four simultaneously. In the end, this inability to focus on one decisive strategic objective doomed Germany to failure and destruction.

    IMHO therein lies the fault, neither Stalin nor Churchill would have surrendered unlike the Frogs.

    Ok just for the sake of pedantry here, might I ask how the record for the largest battle operation in WW2 can be broken before or after the battle anyway ??

    Acc. to Martin van Creveld, the logistic situation would not have allowed an advance by Army Group Center on Moscow by the end of August.


    Even if they had, they'd only have succeeded in shifting the decesive battle from Stalingrad to Moscow.
     
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    It was known to the German's also that Russia's natural elements are a formidable opponent. The reasons for their defeat was not because the campaign stretched into winter, the reasons were the delays due to which it did, it was not originally intended to.
     
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