Hindutva Fascists a threat to other Indians - BBC

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  1. GokuInd

    GokuInd Regular Member

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    Very insightful article in the BBC regarding the danger Sangh Parivar extremists may pose to other Indians:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33241100

    Are Hindu nationalists a danger to other Indians?

    Abstract:

    A little more than a year since Narendra Modi's right-wing Hindu nationalist BJP swept to power in India, there are fears that religiously motivated violence may be on the rise. Some say the BJP has bred a culture of intolerance towards minorities that has left even Hindus nervous of speaking out.
    Just before Christmas the church of St Sebastian in Delhi was gutted by fire - one of five churches in the capital to have been attacked in the past year.



    The pastor of St Sebastian's, Father Anthony Francis, didn't believe the police theory that the fire was caused by a short circuit so started gathering evidence himself. Only when he showed officers a film of oil on top of puddles of water in the wrecked church, did they start an arson investigation.

    But no-one has been arrested in this case, or in relation to the four other church attacks.

    The congregation of St Sebastian, meanwhile, gathers under plastic sheets suspended from a nearby community centre.

    India's much larger Muslim minority has also been under pressure.

    In the months leading up to last year's election, violence flared between Muslims and Hindus in the town of Muzzafarnagar, 100km (62 miles) north of Delhi, leaving more than 60 people dead.

    While no riots on that scale have occurred since, smaller incidents are common.

    "Just like those riots, now Hindus in the villages are trying to drive Muslims out of the villages - repeated attacks have created an atmosphere of fear," says Mohammad Jamshed, whose brother-in-law, Deen Mohammad, was left paralysed in the sleepy town of Kairana, not far from Muzzafarnagar, in May.

    In a bitterly ironic twist, it happened as protesters held a demonstration to demand police action to stop violence against Muslims.

    "I stopped to watch and was hit by a bullet fired from inside a police car," says 18-year-old Deen Mohammad. "I felt numb, walked a few steps and then fell down. Then I started vomiting blood."

    He fears he will never walk again.

    Police say the bullet recovered from Mohammad's body is not a type they use, but they are investigating complaints that officers used excessive force that day.

    The previous month a Muslim labourer in the nearby village of Shamli was returning home from Delhi by train when a gang of about 10 Hindu men beat him brutally with rods in the groin, before stealing his money and pulling his beard from his face by the roots.

    "The police have not done anything except register a complaint. And now when I go out, I fear that something like this may happen again," says the man, giving his name as Faizan, aged 26.

    Stories such as these usually go unnoticed by the media. They seem to some all the more worrying when seen alongside derogatory comments about minorities from a number of BJP politicians.

    "Each Hindu woman should mother four children in order to protect the predominance of Hindus," said one MP, Sakshi Maharaj.

    "Should the country be led by sons of Ram [a Hindu god] or by sons of bastards?" asked the country's Minister for Food Processing Niranjan Jyoti - implying that non-Hindus were bastards.

    Another MP, Giriraj Singh said, "Those opposing Modi will have to go to Pakistan." Later he was appointed to be minister for micro, small and medium enterprises.

    But according to the Minister for Minorities Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi, "You cannot judge the government with isolated incidents of violence or isolated statements by some ministers."

    Narendra Modi himself has presented a moderate face of Hindu nationalism since becoming prime minister.

    "Our government will not allow any religious group belonging to the majority or the minority to incite hatred against others overtly or covertly," he said in February, under pressure to respond to the church attacks.

    But recently-released statistics on inter-communal violence for the first half of 2015 indicate that there has been a 30% increase compared with the same period of 2014 - a total of 330 attacks, 51 of them fatal, compared with 252 attacks, of which 33 were fatal, in 2014.

    The Muzzafarnagar riots mean that the statistics for 2013 were even worse, however.

    And even the events of Muzzafarnagar pale in comparison with the anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat in 2002 when Narendra Modi was the state's chief minister. Then, more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed in clashes after 60 Hindu pilgrims died in a fire on a train.

    There are other forms of discrimination, as well as outright violence, which are harder to measure.

    "It's not just whether you go and kill Muslims and chase them out, it's not just about burning someone's house down, it's denying them jobs, it's denying them places to stay, it's making them live in terror," says Booker prize-winning author Arundhati Roy.

    "While Modi pretends to be a statesman and travel to various places and is pressurised to speak the language of diversity, the goons have been unleashed on the ground."

    Even middle-class urban Indians like herself, she says, are now wary of criticising the ideology of Hindu nationalism.

    "It's not just Muslims or Christians, perhaps the people they hate the most are the ones who are standing up for a different way of looking at the world, and therefore need to be silenced."

    Father Anthony says the burning of his church "was like burning India's constitution", with its guarantees of religious freedom.

    "I fear that if the country becomes a Hindu nation, goes on the track of Pakistan and starts using laws such as the blasphemy law to target minorities, what kind of country will we have?" he asks. "That will be real injustice, it won't be a blessing, it'll be a curse on the nation."
     
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  3. VIP

    VIP Ultra Nationalist Senior Member

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    As usual; biased & illogical, propaganda at best.
     
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    The fact that this article has been published on BBC out of the blue with out any backdrop of communal incidents, i would like to believe that this has something to do with the bashing of Mom-Son duo got in the parliament today. BBC and Aakar ahmed patel would have realised that Sickular politics are no longer going to work in india.

    Let the dogs bark how much they want, i see such articles as a sign that india is going in the right direction. This is making many people nervous.
     
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    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    Expecting more such news near 15th Aug.
    Fascist Hindus.
     
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    ezsasa Senior Member Senior Member

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    Last sunday, there was constant barrage of Nationalist patriotic songs till 1AM in the night into my house from somewhere in the neighbourhood. Normally i would have written it off, but later i realised that we don't hear patriotic songs anymore(except of Independence day and republic day).It felt good to hear those songs.The next day i found out that this was a RSS event. During the course of that event i never heard of any attempts to inflict communal tensions or speaking ill of anybody else. All they did was make children sing patriotic songs like "Mere desh ki dharthi" etc that's it.

    If being "Patriotic" is new definition of "Extremist". then so be it.
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Yes . we are fascist. We don't want to let our children be raped by Muslim pedophiles like the britshits have let. So keep your daughter selling philosophy to your ass.

    And its kind of nice to see Indians writing for the britshits and other Indians who support it openly. It shows us nationalist indians(people with self respect) who among us Indians are self respect lacking whores. I mean a self respecting Indian won't go sucking britshits d***s to post an opinion piece criticising India nor would he agree with such bitches blindly. First off, britshits have no business commenting on Indian affairs and what Indian right wing should be.

    If this is what indeed Indian right wing is going to be, and if you don't like it, get out of it and go to your vatican rather than remain as a cancer withing us. We right wingers give a damn only about us Indians and no one else. If you have problem with that, go fuck yourself.
     
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    The kawadias were carrying tricolor this year. There is a reason behind it!!
     
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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Uk should give asylum to the victimized. They are the ones who started the religious divide.
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    This is the main reason I have no problem accepting that I am a patriot/nationalist/bigot/communal because these words used as insults no longer hold any meaning. Its much better to be a bigot than be a politically correct moron, much better to be a nationalist than be a traitor, much better to be communal who believes in equality than be a secular with head up the ass to not know what equality or secularism even means
     
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    Lot of whining by bazaru media both home and from abroad ever since sharp crackdown of NGOs.

    It is heartening to see national pride returning among common Indians after being conformist and self-loathing masses for quite a while.

    BBC publishing such articles only validates this. Signs of a desperate media propaganda when you realize your jig is up.

    It won't be surprising if pseudo intellectuals both from West and home start equating nationalistic folks with "bhakts" or "RSS chaddis" even much more now than before.

    Again, nothing to be annoyed about when such things happen, just a good sign for the growth of nation.
     
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    To take this argument a little further, Britards have always considered other country's patriots as extremists. Take IRA for example, i remember those days of civil war very well. IRA was patriots to Irish cause, Britards considered them extremists. I also remember the heavy handed methods used by brits to subdue the irish cause.
     
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    hindu muppets like sadhvi and yogi adityanath should be shut up , We dont need idiots who wants to make hindu india without minorities till 2020
     
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    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    Is that so? You call this thoughtful? Good for ya'!!!!


    This alone sums up the propaganda of British Bullshit Corporation.

    Who are these some? You gotta be specific man, or I could say that some say that the evangelical british missionaries are supporting terrorism in India. Although that would be a a fact, won't it?

    And how many Hindu temples have been attacked in the same period? may be the so called waste of oxygen journo might like to read NEWS first before starting to write the article? 265 temples. Now, must HINDU NATIONALIST BJP GOVT, behind the vandalism of temples too? huh?

    http://articles.economictimes.india...8838377_1_delhi-police-home-ministry-churches

    Yeah, that can be seen in Kashmir or in Delhi or in Asauddin Owasi's speech. Too much pressure makes them violent, aye?

    Now, with anti-BJP govts both in state and center that becomes a fault of this govt. too. some logic.

    Yeah. Now, how common that has been during previous regime? If you are bringing comparison, why not give the full stats with before and after facts?

    Where's the other side of the story? Or is being subjective is no longer a requirement for a journo? Although I know that BBC stopped being subjective decades ago.

    Good human interest angle. But, a little omission is there and little misrepresentation too, which shows what this peddlar of false news is trying peddle. The police force is not under central govt. but state govt. which is under SP, a most anti-BJP party whose existence is in danger 'coz of BJP. How come shooting by a cop under a Govt. of SP regime becomes an act of Hindu Nationalis party sitting at the center? Too glaring loopholes shows you true colour.

    Now a robbery becomes a communal action? How many men get robbed in a country of a billion every day? Why pick and choose, unless you are paid to do so?

    Now did not see any media calling out when Sindhe coined 'Saffron Terror' or Rahul Gandhi said 'Hindu Terror'. Or PM MM Singh calling for reserving the resources for the muslims?

    The basic of journalism is that if you don't know the language, you don't interpret it, you get someone who knows both the languages well enough to translate for you. Now, the moron of the journo didn't know the simple rule, and got this interpretation. Lost in translation much?

    Sure would like to know the source of the data. Please refer to the specific source in this case where the data regarding communal violence is maintained.

    He Ram! Again 2002 riot! Oveer 25% of the dead were Hindus, most;y shot dead by the police. It means the administration was actually trying to prevent the riot. But simple logic generally alludes such journalists.

    My god, the traitor bitch is quoted?!!! This woman should have been thrown in jail for colluding with anti-national elements. No wonder she is the prize for BBC.

    What is the evidence that church was not burnt by the muslims? Is there any evidence it was an act of Hindus? If not, why is there accusation towards Hindus?
    The constitution gives the right to religious freedom and as far as every sane mind in India knows, as of yet there's been no violation of that.

    And, if that moron knew what Hinduism is, he wouldn't have spoken of Blasphemy law as in Hinduism there is no scripture, hence no blasphemy. How did he even think that this Govt. will bring such act? Of course it will bring in an anti-conversion law sooner or later, but that doesn't violate the right to practice religion. If your job is trying convert, well then you are already a criminal, for injuring another faith and infringing of another person's right practice religion.

    The evangelicals are shit scared that their games are up and there's a slim chance that they may be brought to book. That is why they are crying at the top of their lungs to avert it.
     
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    There's never going to be hindu india without others in it. But there need to be an India where being not a Hindu entitles one to privileges, and for that the voices must be raised, albeit a little muffled for now. But the tune cannot be a soprano all of a sudden and needs to be raised gradually and that is the task being performed by those.
     
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    Congrats on the Veteran member thing .... OT : How'd you get the Proud bigot badge
     
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    It looks like we are on the right path...:bounce:

    British should be more worried about what Sharia courts are doing in their own country.
     
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    The bloody BBC a*sholes don't get tired of insulting and derogating other cultures. These anglo-crazies still think they own the World. India bashing is going to come back to bite these arrogant buffoons.
    They tried to stop BJP from winning by their venomous propaganda but smart Indian voters slpped them in the face by voting for BJP and PM Modi.
     
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    Gibberish Inspired by Arundhati Suzi Roy. :rofl:
     
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    The British Brainwashing Corporation is the greatest threat to sanity and providence.
     
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    Very interesting food for thought for you-- Muslims in Nepal are asking the country to be declared as a Hindu nation rather than a secular nation, because they feel that their religious freedom will be better guaranteed under a Hindu Nation.

    Now you have anything to say.
     
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