Hindustan Trainer HTT-40

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  1. Kay

    Kay Regular Member

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    40 times cheaper != 40 times better :facepalm:
     
  2. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    His context is different and in that context its 40 times better than other in its operational costs ..

     
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  3. Kay

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    I got the context..was not criticizing Bhadoria...but the headline of the article..this is sensationalism and click-baiting
     
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    I think he meant per hour cost of operation of HTT40 (which is turbo prop) is 1/40 of operation of F-16 which has gasoline guzzling jet engine.

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    I believe both the F16 and the HTT40 use similar Kerosene based fuels.
    Don't think the IAF uses Aviation Gasolene.
     
  6. Chinmoy

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    Bhadoria meant somehing else, but the stupid journo mixed all up and served it. Classic case of "Saara Raita Faila Diya"
     
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    business-standard.com
    'Development of indigenous trainer aircraft in advanced stage'
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    The Defence Ministry on Tuesday said the production of HTT-40 trainer aircraft that would replace the Indian Air Force's HPT-32 Deepak as a basic trainer was in "advanced stage" and the aircraft is likely to be certified fit to fly by December 2018.

    The maiden flight of the second prototype (PT-2) of the basic trainer aircraft (HTT-40) was "successfully completed" on May 19 this year "without any glitch", Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre informed the Rajya Sabha in a written reply.

    "The aircraft flew for one hour carrying out important manoeuvres, touching altitude of 20,000 ft and maximum speed of 185 kmph," Bhamre said.

    "The project is in advanced stage of development. Two prototypes have been developed and produced till date and both prototypes are under flight trials."

    He said one more prototype would be manufactured to further speed up the development process and its manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), aimed "to get the aircraft certified by December 2018 which will be followed by series production".

    The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) approved procurement of 70 Basic Trainer Aircraft from HAL in February 2015.

    HAL has planned to set up facility for manufacturing of 15-20 aircraft per annum. The aircraft is funded by HAL with its own resources.

    --IANS

    sar/dg

    (This story has not been edited by Business Standard staff and is auto-generated from a syndicated feed.)
     
  8. kunal1123

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    Another problem with not made in India ..........


    Swiss firm not extending maintenance deal for India’s PC-7 trainers Published July 21, 2017 SOURCE: Defensenews.com The maintenance contract for the Indian Air Force’s 75 PC-7 Turbo Trainers will not be extended, according to a Ministry of Defence official. The aircraft, manufactured by Pilatus Aircraft of Switzerland and acquired in 2012, was under a maintenance deal that expired in December 2016. “The follow-on guarantee of further 36 months beyond December 2016 is not being cleared by MoD on grounds of steep price,” the MoD official said.The Swiss company was unavailable for comment, but an Indian Air Force official asserted that the Pilatus is not extending the contract because the MoD decided against buying additional PC-7 Turbo Trainers, “which were earlier agreed upon.” “Due to no maintenance contract, IAF is using its own resources and resorting to buying parts from the local market to maintain the Pilatus fleet,” the Air Force official said. The PC-7 trainers were purchased by the outgoing government despite opposition to the foreign purchase by the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. HAL had wanted a contract for the HTT-40 basic trainer that it was developing. But the National Democratic Alliance government, after coming to power in 2014, decided that the Air Force’s future needs would only be met the HTT-40, which is still under development and is likely to be certified in the coming year, potentially ensuring an end to the purchase of Pilatus turbo trainers. The MoD official said the HTT-40 is undergoing extensive trials and that airworthy certification is expected by 2018. The official also noted that it meets the criteria of the Make in India policy. India’s current ruling government was critical of the Pilatus purchase when the deal was struck. But the Air Force itself had in 2012 rejected HAL’s HHT-40 trainer and favored the purchase of PC-7 Turbo Trainers. “IAF is of the view that HTT-40 basic trainer aircraft would be more expensive than the imported PC-7 Turbo Trainer. In addition, IAF has told MoD that it [HTT-40] is overweight and overpriced,” the IAF official said. However, HAL still managed to secure internal funds for its HTT-40 project, a senior HAL executive noted. According to the IAF official, “there was a provision to buy additional PC-7 Turbo Trainers by IAF, which would have catered to provisioning of additional spares and warranty, etc., to cover the existing fleet. This would have the original equipment manufacturer to depute the representative and would have catered to ease of maintenance of existing fleet. However, this [additional purchase of PC-7s] has not happened.” Currently, the Air Force’s training fleet includes homegrown Kiran Mark I and II basic trainers, totaling 150, plus 99 British Advanced Hawk trainers. The Pilatus strength is 75, and an order for the HTT-40 trainers is for at least 60. “The MoD, under the current rule of the NDA government, is not likely [to] give support for [a] major contract for spares of Pilatus, and IAF has to maintain the fleet within the existing budget for the entire fleet,” the IAF official said.

    idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website http://idrw.org/swiss-firm-not-extending-maintenance-deal-for-indias-pc-7-trainers/ .
     
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    Max speed has to be 485kmph. It cannot be 185 has to be a typo. Even helis fly @ 250+kmph
     
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    Max speed on the first flight of the PT2.
     
  11. SanjeevM

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    I hope this will be an eye opener for IAF to reject foreign maal and instead go for indigenous maal. Whole fleet of PC-7 may be down.

    HAL should make HTT-40 certification process faster and see if it can be preponed.

    Government should take the matter with Swedish government at government to government level regarding spares and maintenance contract with Pilatus.
     
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    The person responsible for this fiasco was apparently rewarded with an ambassadorship.:mad2:
     
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    Published on Feb 21, 2017
    Find out everything you wanted to know about the HTT 40 basic trainer development in this 12-minute video. Deputy project manager Prashant Singh Bhaduria, takes you around HAL's success story at Aero India 2017.
     
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    Few more of HTT-40 pics ..
     
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    The cockpit and instrument, More will come in next many prototypes ..
     
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    Beautiful picture of our own HTT40

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    Critical trials for desi trainer soon, HAL looks to start production in December



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    The HTT 40 rolls for take off at Aero India in February / Source: Ministry of Defence
    Spin and recovery trials planned by October; crucial meeting with IAF after that

    A basic trainer aircraft being developed indigenously is heading for critical trials in October, with plans for the production line to start before the end of this year. The desi HTT 40 trainer – which is critical for the air force’s pilot training program – is likely to undergo stall and spin tests shortly that will test its ability to recover from a potentially devastating situation.

    The tests are critical to prove the stability and utility of the HTT 40 to train young pilots in handling aircraft before they move on to the more advanced aircraft. Officials overseeing the project told ThePrint that after the stall and spin tests, a crucial meeting will be held with the air force to obtain clearances and start a production line for the aircraft before the end of this year.

    The HTT 40 has already undergone wind tunnel testing in France and is undergoing minor modifications to prepare it for the tests. Stall and spin tests are potentially lethal for test pilots and need to be programmed and planned minutely.

    There is a sense of urgency to accelerate the HTT 40 program given the severe shortage the air force is facing in terms of basic trainers for its pilots. In 2012, the air force has rejected the HTT 40 program and selected the Swiss Pilatus PC 7 Mk1 trainer. However, the Swiss program has come under continued scrutiny and plans to add 38 more aircraft to the original order of 75 is unlikely to go ahead.

    The homegrown basic trainer aircraft, which undertook its first flight last year is to be used for the first stage training for all flying cadets of the three services with the defence ministry committed to order at least 70 planes. The additional order of 38 aircraft (originally for Pilatus) is also likely to go for the HTT 40. Besides the training role, its developer HAL also plans to eventually roll out a weaponized version of the aircraft for non-conventional operations and export orders.

    The Indian plan for coaching military pilots currently relies of three planes – a basic trainer, the intermediate jet trainer and an advanced training aircraft.

    The Kiran Mk II intermediate trainer however is heading for retirement and the air force has changed its program into a three stage, two aircraft plan. Hawk advanced trainers are available in adequate numbers but there is a severe shortage of lower grade aircraft to train pilots.

    https://theprint.in/2017/09/01/crit...ner-soon-hal-looks-start-production-december/
     
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  19. SanjeevM

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    Anything indigenous is good. Moreover, weaponised version could be used against naxals or other internal security operations. Further export also gives opportunity to earn foreign currency. Good going.:clap2:
     
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    Whatever people say to bash PC-7 but it is being used by countless AF and there has been zero major malfunction/ accident so far since their induction in IAF. IAF is extremely happy with its performance and availability rates. Let's not forget that HTT-32 was awfully inappropriate, obsolete and unsafe for pilot training. HAL couldn't figure out how to fix its fuel cutoff glitch which had caused several crashes. If anything, India had to request Pilatus to expedite PC-7 deliveries since HTT-32 were grounded after a crash killing two experienced pilots. I don't know since when we all started dancing to HAL's tunes - a pathetic monopoly DSPU with dismal record for quality and efficiency.
    Only time can tell how safe and effective HHT-40 is for rookie pilots. After all, the aim of air-force is to defend the nation and not glorify DSPUs. Anyway...

    The decision of GOI to not to extend the maintenance contract is debatable because most customers nowadays want 10 years of maintenance built in the initial contract itself. Extending warranties is always very expensive. India has made the same mistake of buying inadequate aftersales support in Rafale contract with Dassault by having only 5 years of maintenance and availability guarantees. Qatar on the other hand has opted for 10 years.
     

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