Hindujas apply for licence to make armaments, ordnance

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  1. SpArK

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    Hindujas apply for licence to make armaments, ordnance

    Cleared in the Bofors case, the Hindujas are poised to enter India’s defence and homeland security hardware manufacturing with plans to make guns, rockets and missile systems, among others, to “enable the country to be self-sufficient in manufacture of defence equipment”.

    Ashok Leyland Defence Systems Ltd (ALDS), a company floated in 2008 by the Hinduja Group, has applied for FIPB license for “manufacture and maintenance of guns, rockets and missile artillery systems to include carriage, control systems and other allied subsystems” at a factory in Sriperambadur.

    It said it would invest Rs 10 crore in a manufacturing facility (excluding land and buildings) with a second-phase outlay of Rs 50 crore when it would go beyond its existing business of design, development and manufacture of medium-duty defence vehicles.

    The facility would also manufacture and assemble armoured combat vehicles including associated systems such as turrets, armaments. That’s not all. It has sought government approval to manufacture defence and defence-related equipment “including but not restricted to the above categories” with its existing foreign direct investment.

    In its application to the Foreign Investment Promotion Board, ALDS said: “Contemporary and future technology will be obtained which would later give rise to creation of R&D facilities, ensuring that our security forces always have the edge necessary to maintain supremacy in modern warfare.”

    ALDS, which has a pact with South Africa’s Paramount Group in February 2010 for manufacturing mine protected vehicles in India, last year signed an MoU with Germany’s Krauss-Maffei Wegmann GmbH to develop artillery systems, combat systems, armoured wheeled vehicles, recovery vehicles, bridge laying systems and other similar products.


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  3. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    They should be allowed to make weapons.

    It will hurt none even if India does not buy their products.

    And who knows that they might produce something worthwhile!!!!

    But then there is the Ministry and the DRDO!! ;)
     
  4. Blackwater

    Blackwater Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    Well DRDO should be dissolved.they have not give any thing solid so far. It's good to invite private players but not hinduja bros.
     
  5. jackprince

    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    :O DRDO hasn't given anything solid?!!!!!!!!!!!

    where did the AGNI, Prithvi, Lakshya, INSAS, BEL Weapon Locating Radar, Kanshan armour etc. come from?
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    After a minimum of 3-4 decades of delay in almost every significant project.

    DRDO shouldn't be dissolved because there is a LOT of scientific knowledge in that. But it should be privatized and owned by someone like TATAs.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    All those systems are given not only by DRDO but others too like OFB..

    The decades are not so much caused by the technicians or deginers rather bureaucratic mess and internal wars, lack of proper communications..


    In our system problems are not solved rather they are made into issues and goes on for decades..

    Anyways OFB rifles assembly is poor, Private will do better..
     
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    Virendra Moderator Moderator

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    Privatization is defense arena? There's been a lot of whispering in the past year. I've been following it at IndiansForGuns as well.
    But its all talks for now. Not many players sniffing for small arms sector. GOI still seems oblivious and unwilling.

    Aye !! Well said, I'll drink to that.
    A Cup of tea please :D
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    I was kinda thinking about beer, But tea is good for health..
     
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    You must be kidding right. After so many successes and after so many weapons and weapon platforms, you just want to dissolve it? Ofcourse, it is best not left up to you. But seriously, nowadays there's a trend in DFI to post BS and say untrue stuffs about Indian defence products and achievements. Do your homework.
     
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    The problem is mainly with OFBs with their crappy manufacturing.
     
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    DRDO is primarily a research and development organization. Without the involvement of DRDO, none of the current indigenous defense equipments we use would even have existed. Like I have told elsewhere, they have created the one thing no private industry could have done-creation of trained manpower. Indian private sector players are not exactly known for big spending in R&D. So, this task was undertaken by the Government. If you take a cursory look at the sheer gamut of research-work done at DRDO,you would be struck with wonder. Everything from nuclear physics, to biodegradable plastics,to ultra advanced control systems used in defense electronics , the list really is endless. The crux of matter is -most of these systems are closely guarded secrets of their respective countries. They are not for sale, not now, not ever. money does create manpower, diligence does.
     
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    I will agree that it was not caused by the engineers and scientists. I am not even blaming them but am impressed that despite such odds they have so much dedication to stick to such pathetic organizations for the sake of the nation.

    When I said privatize them, I meant that remove the bureaucratic hurdles by getting the management to take rapid decisions like private firms.

    Also, simultaneously, MOD must be stripped off politicians and handed over to tri-services.

    My words exactly.
     
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    read my words nothing solid.they came but very late. is Agni inducted in army so far???? only prithvi and agni -1 is there other still on trials...

    Blunder of Arjun,Akash and Nag is infront of you

    don't forget LCA,which i have heard, the project is declared failed.
     
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    Hinduja's collars are not clean. They forced old Ashok Leyland trucks for many yrs untill recently. They borrowed tech from leyland from UK, which is nothing more than crap.


    Controversy

    [edit] Bofors scandal

    Main article: Bofors scandal

    Srichand, Gopichand and Prakash Hinduja have been connected with the investigation into the long-running Bofors scandal, in which Swedish firm Bofors was alleged to have paid illegal bribes to Government officials and politicians in connection with the $1.3bn sale of 400 howitzers to the Indian Government in 1986. The three brothers were charged by the Indian Central Bureau of Investigation in October 2000,[7] but in 2005 the High Court in Delhi threw out all charges against them, citing a lack of evidence and saying that documents central to the prosecution case were "useless and dubious" since their provenance could not be verified. Judge RS Sodhi said: "I must express my disapproval that 14 years of trial and 2.5bn rupees ($57m) of public money was spent on the case. It has caused huge economical, emotional, professional and personal loss to the Hindujas."[8]

    [edit] 2001 Hinduja affair

    In January 2001, it was revealed that UK government Minister Peter Mandelson had telephoned Home Office minister Mike O'Brien on behalf of Srichand Hinduja, who was at the time seeking British citizenship, and whose family firm was to become the main sponsor of the "Faith Zone" in the Millennium Dome. Consequently, on 24 January 2001 Mandelson resigned from the Government for a second time,[9][10] insisting he had done nothing wrong. An independent enquiry by Sir Anthony Hammond came to the conclusion that neither Mandelson nor anyone else had acted improperly.

    In January 2001, immigration minister Barbara Roche revealed in a written Commons reply that Keith Vaz, Member of Parliament for Leicester East and at the time a Foreign Office minister, and other MPs, had also contacted the Home Office about the Hinduja brothers, saying that Vaz had made inquiries about when a decision on their application for citizenship could be expected.[11]

    On 25 January Vaz became the focus of Opposition questions about the Hinduja affair and many parliamentary questions were tabled, demanding that he fully disclose his role. Vaz said via a Foreign Office spokesman that he would be "fully prepared" to answer questions put to him by Sir Anthony Hammond QC who had been asked by the Prime Minister to carry out an inquiry into the affair. Vaz said that he had known the Hinduja brothers for some time; he had been present when the charitable Hinduja Foundation was set up in 1993, and had also delivered a speech in 1998 when the brothers invited Tony and Cherie Blair to a Diwali celebration.[12]

    On 26 January 2001, Prime Minister Tony Blair was accused of prejudicing the independent inquiry into the Hinduja passport affair, after he declared that Keith Vaz not done "anything wrong". On the same day, Vaz told reporters that they would "regret" their behaviour once the facts of the case were revealed. "Some of you are going to look very foolish when this report comes out. Some of the stuff you said about Peter, and about others and me, you'll regret very much when the facts come out," he said. When asked why the passport application of one of the Hinduja brothers had been processed more quickly than normal, being processed and sanctioned in six months when the process can take up to two years, he replied, "It is not unusual."[13]

    On 29 January, the government confirmed that the Hinduja Foundation had held a reception for Vaz in September 1999 to celebrate his appointment as the first Asian Minister in recent times. The party was not listed by Vaz in the House of Commons Register of Members' Interests and John Redwood, then head of the Conservative Parliamentary Campaigns Unit, questioned Vaz's judgement in accepting the hospitality.[14]

    In March Vaz was ordered to fully co-operate with a new inquiry launched into his financial affairs by Elizabeth Filkin. Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, Vaz's superior, also urged him to fully answer allegations about his links with the Hinduja brothers. Mr Vaz met Mrs Filkin on 20 March to discuss a complaint that the Hinduja Foundation had given the sum of £1,200 to Mapesbury Communications, a company run by his wife, in return for helping to organise a Hinduja-sponsored reception at the House of Commons. Vaz had previously denied receiving money from the Hindujas, but insisted that he made no personal gain from the transaction in question.[15][16]

    In June 2001 Vaz admitted that he had made representations during the Hinduja brothers' applications for British citizenship while a backbench MP. Tony Blair also admitted that Vaz had "made representations" on behalf of other Asians.[17] On 11 June 2001 Vaz was dismissed from his post as Europe Minister, to be replaced by Peter Hain. The Prime Minister's office said that Vaz had written to Tony Blair stating he wished to stand down for health reasons.[18]

    In December 2001 Elizabeth Filkin cleared Vaz of failing to register payments to his wife's law firm by the Hinduja brothers, but said that he had colluded with his wife to conceal the payments. Filkin's report said that the payments had been given to his wife for legal advice on immigration issues and concluded that Vaz had gained no direct personal benefit, and that Commons rules did not require him to disclose payments made to his wife. She did, however, criticise him for his secrecy, saying, "It is clear to me there has been deliberate collusion over many months between Mr Vaz and his wife to conceal this fact and to prevent me from obtaining accurate information about his possible financial relationship with the Hinduja family".[19]



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  16. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    how can one get licence to make arms in India. I sure want to get one.
     
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    Go to MOD, offer some money [may be cr's] . you will get one..
    thats all, its easy process.
    isn't it?
     

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