Hinduism a scientifically proven religion !!

[The Messiah]

One of the reasons our country is in the present situation is our pre occupation with spirituality. While the Chinese were building the Great wall of China we were building Monastries.
We live in a materialistic world and if you want to be successful in this world you would have to live by the order of this world and not the spiritual realm.

spirituality was also limited to a section of the population.

 

[johnee]

Why isn't divorce permissible ?

All religions are man made creations and thus are not perfect.

Divorce is permisible, but in rarest of rare cases just like capital punishment is given in India rightnow.

Marriage is the fundamental institution of a stable society. And, therefore cannot be hampered with. Hinduism advises many precautions before & after marriage for all the players.

 

[The Messiah]

Divorce is permisible, but in rarest of rare cases just like capital punishment is given in India rightnow.

Marriage is the fundamental institution of a stable society. And, therefore cannot be hampered with. Hinduism advises many precautions before & after marriage for all the players.

Good attempt at sugar coating it.

Now please list what this rarest of rare case would be and its application in real life ?

 

[Param]

Divorce is permisible, but in rarest of rare cases just like capital punishment is given in India rightnow.

Marriage is the fundamental institution of a stable society. And, therefore cannot be hampered with. Hinduism advises many precautions before & after marriage for all the players.

US has the highest divorce rate in the word. Is it an unstable society?

 

[The Messiah]

US has the highest divorce rate in the word. Is it an unstable society?

blasphemy

 

[johnee]

wtf ?

you have strange notions about atheists and other non believers.

No, I am not claiming that atheists dont have morals. I am saying, there is no need or logic to follow painful & valueless morals, if one is an atheist. Tell me, why should I follow morals if I were an atheist? Whether I kill or save, whether I live or die, whether I cheat or help...its all same. The only result will be eventual death. Of course, I would need to evade law as long as I live.

morality existed before religion did.

That is your assertion. BTW, when was first religion come into exist?

 

[Sabir]

Islam is the most scientific religion. Have not you heard that Muhammed once sliced the moon in two pieces with a stroke of his index finger. He of course joined the pieces together. Else we would have two moons. Can modern science do it even with a missile?

Wait ! There was a person who walked through the sea with his full team. I think that guy was a jew. And you guys take a decade just to build an under water channel.

OOPS! I missed Hanuman. He jumped the whole Palk strait to reach Lanka from India. Did he use any special vitamin scientifically produced. Do I need to mention the Nuclear weapons (branded as Brambhastra) which were in frequent use?

SORRY! SORRY!
You are not discussing Scientific achievement, but science in life.

Brothers, science is there because the creature called human has the ability to observe and learn. No way it is related to religious funda. If Indians were in good in mathematics; the Chinese were good in making gun powder and the European excells in modern instrument.

Why should I say human only?

Go to the jokes thread...see how a cow is using a lever to drink water.

OHHH! You are not discussing it either?

Then what you are discussing actually?

You dont know?

You should have told me that.



Wait...Johney and Galaxy and some others are saying their D**ks are bigger than others...........

Carry on...I cannot compete.....I was circumcised in childhood. (You know there is science behind it)



Deer Johney......Since my childhood I hate those Mullahs who claims their religion is better than others. Religion came because early human beings feared the nature. They started worshiping different forms of nature (ex- Vedic religion). Then they start giving their Gods a society just like they have on earth (ex- The Greeks or Hindus...), Then some people started preaching there is a single God (ex-Muslims)

The common thing is all of them tried to give an explanation to the mystery of earth which they cannot solve confidently. To me, those sages like Budda, or ancient Hindu sages or Prophets of other religions are philosophers who tried to explain things their own ways. Even in India, you can find many shades in Hinduism. You may believe in Idol worship, but scholar like Dayanada Saraswati will oppose it strictly, Someone like Ram Mohan Roy will say there is single God.

Religion is good till it guide people to moral upliftment. If you use it for d**k mesuring contest, you are no less than Mullahs of my childhood.

 

[johnee]

One of the reasons our country is in the present situation is our pre occupation with spirituality. While the Chinese were building the Great wall of China we were building Monastries.
We live in a materialistic world and if you want to be successful in this world you would have to live by the order of this world and not the spiritual realm.

Hinduism mentions 4 objectives of life that must be pursued by normal human beings. They are:
1)Dharma-ethics.
2)Artha-wealth.
3)Kama-desires.
4)Moksha-liberation.

A healthy balance is advised. Dharma does not stop Artha(progress) or Kama(pleasure). It only regulates them. Unrestrained greed or unbridled indulgence leads to disintegration, decay, disease, and destruction of the society & the individual.

 

[johnee]

I am posting from cell, so constrained. I would love to reply back to you Sabir. I'll do it some other time.


Messaih,
it seems you have already made up your mind to bash hinduism regardless. I think RahulM provided the cases when divorce is allowed while answering in 'pakistani hindu divorce' thread. BTW, surprised to learn that you are not an atheist.

 

[johnee]

US has the highest divorce rate in the word. Is it an unstable society?

Partly unstable. The effects will be more pronounced if & when their state weakens. Rightnow, a strong state is compensating for these defects.

 

[Sabir]

Hinduism mentions 4 objectives of life that must be pursued by normal human beings. They are:
1)Dharma-ethics.
2)Artha-wealth.
3)Kama-desires.
4)Moksha-liberation.

A healthy balance is advised. Dharma does not stop Artha(progress) or Kama(pleasure). It only regulates them. Unrestrained greed or unbridled indulgence leads to disintegration, decay, disease, and destruction of the society & the individual.

It is clear cheating.
When you define Hinduism, You bring in this purest of pure defination. But, when you count the Number of Hindus you count them all even when most of practising Hindus are far from these simple truth.

Either you will give scientific explanation of all Hindu pracises from idol worship ( even those who are not mentioned in Hindu scriptures like Kali), animal sacrifice, Sati, Caste system etc.......Or you will say there always have been handful of Hindus left in India.

 

[johnee]

It is clear cheating.
When you define Hinduism, You bring in this purest of pure defination. But, when you count the Number of Hindus you count them all even when most of practising Hindus are far from these simple truth.

Either you will give scientific explanation of all Hindu pracises from idol worship ( even those who are not mentioned in Hindu scriptures like Kali), animal sacrifice, Sati, Caste system etc.......Or you will say there always have been handful of Hindus left in India.

This fate is shared by all doctrines. Most adherents to a doctrine have superficial knowledge, some are well informed, very few are enlightened. I cant claim to know it all, that does not stop me from being a Hindu as long as I am sincerely loyal. Of course, no denying that learning is a process that must continue...

EDIT: Practise is more important than theory. And most people follow knowingly or unknowingly. Of course, enlightened practise is prefferable.

 

[Sabir]

This fate is shared by all doctrines. Most adherents to a doctrine have superficial knowledge, some are well informed, very few are enlightened. I cant claim to know it all, that does not stop me from being a Hindu as long as I am sincerely loyal. Of course, no denying that learning is a process that must continue...

EDIT: Practise is more important than theory. And most people follow knowingly or unknowingly. Of course, enlightened practise is prefferable.

LOL...some players are practicing cricket thinking they are practising football.....and you are saying OK....

Either say they are wrong or say cricket =football

then we will discuss about different features of cricket ....and you , a football specialist will explain them...

 

[pmaitra]

The biggest threat to Hinduism is RSS sympathisers taking the onus of explaining and defining Hinduism to everyone else.

 

[Sabir]

The biggest threat to Hinduism is RSS sympathisers taking the onus of explaining and defining Hinduism to everyone else.

Reminds me the mullahs and Talibans who consider they understand it alone...and their version is the best in the market....

 

[pmaitra]

Reminds me the mullahs and Talibans who consider they understand it alone...and their version is the best in the market....

Exactly. People need to look across the fence into Pakistan and see what's happening. One Muslim sect calling the other Muslim sect un-Islamic and carrying out massacres against each other. Humans have this tendency, they never learn from others' mistakes.

 

[The Messiah]

Exactly. People need to look across the fence into Pakistan and see what's happening. One Muslim sect calling the other Muslim sect un-Islamic and carrying out massacres against each other. Humans have this tendency, they never learn from others' mistakes.

Underlying fault is religion itself.

I can point out bad stuff in all of them but every religious person will claim his is perfect. Ban all religions.

 

[Singh]

Hinduism mentions 4 objectives of life that must be pursued by normal human beings. They are:
1)Dharma-ethics.
2)Artha-wealth.
3)Kama-desires.
4)Moksha-liberation.

A healthy balance is advised. Dharma does not stop Artha(progress) or Kama(pleasure). It only regulates them. Unrestrained greed or unbridled indulgence leads to disintegration, decay, disease, and destruction of the society & the individual.

AFAIK, many Sikh and Hindu spiritual texts and leaders advise people against desiring Moksha.

Since you are the DFI's resident Hinduism expert and I am allegedly an anti-Hindu, so maybe you are right, as you usually are.

 

[pmaitra]

AFAIK, many Sikh and Hindu spiritual texts and leaders advise people against desiring Moksha.

Singh,

Please provide more details about Sikh and Hindu spiritual texts advising people against desiring Moksha. This is something new to me, but I'd like to read more about it. If you cannot find links, at least provide some summary points of whatever you know for both the aforementioned faiths.

Thanks!

 

[johnee]

The biggest threat to Hinduism is RSS sympathisers taking the onus of explaining and defining Hinduism to everyone else.

Hinduism is explained on the basis of hindu scriptures. Hindu scriptures predate RSS. Just because one is a conservative hindu does not mean one is an RSS supporter. It is digvijay-singhesque view that hindu opinion is RSS consipiracy. Infact, RSS' doctrine says that prophets of abrahamic religion must be accepted as similar to avatars of hindu Gods & vice versa. This stand is not acceptable to orthodox hindus or muslims.

Comparing potential hindu India with present day pakis or hindus with taliban is a paki tactic. A country or individual will reflect the ideology that guides them. And all ideologies are not same. So, bringing pakis into this debate is strawman.