Hindu spiritual organisations are not socially conscious

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  1. Ray

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    Is it that Hindu activist are hitting back at the 'secularity' that has been showcased as downgrading Hinduism for 'secular' good?

    If so, why?

    Why this sudden backlash?
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    The best thing about Hinduism i.e. room for multiple views on everything is also something that weakens it when compared with organized abrahmic religions.

    Will hindus leave behind their caste & language barriers and unite against the common threats? I think not until organizations like VHP, RSS & individuals like Shankaracharyas work beyond declaring who is god or not & start remediation from the root causes viz. caste system, superstitions, gender bias, child marriages.
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    I have nothing against RSS and they are moderate hindu organisation but i very much dislike VHP/bajrang dal :/
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Everybody spoke Sanskrit in Vedic society. Vedic society had no caste, no superstitions, no gender bias, no child marriages.

    All major religions are based on VEDIC CONCEPT OF GOD.

    Even Jesus Christ came to India in his learning phase. It is a fact that Taxila university was the largest university in the world in ancient times.

    What happened to people of India?? People stopped learning Veda. People stopped learning science. Kings became greedy and ignorant. Kings stopped performing their duties. Eventually political power declined, regional languages took root, and the entire country became ignorant and poor.

    India's strength is its Vedic roots. It is not some "Hindu" religion. People of India need to discover Vedic dharm.

    Swami Dayanand Saraswati (founder of Arya Samaj) made a valiant effort to awaken people of India. For this he was poisoned multiple times, still he was successful in accomplishing his goal partially.
     
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    Militarization of people is necessary. People of India are the MOST DEMILITARIZED society. People are incapable of self-defence. This is a disaster.

    The number of soldiers need to increase and soldiers need to come from all sections of society.

    RSS is important as it teaches people self-defence.
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Basic tenets of Vedic dharm:

    1. NO statues
    2. NO temples for God or gods
    3. Daily agnihotra by public in home or in designated places ('mandir' means house; 'mandir' can be any place, not necessarily a place of worship)
    4. No surnames of people
    5. Classes of people (Brahmin, Shatriya, Vaishya and Shudra) never affected harmony and wellbeing of society. This qualification is to only establish order. The differentiation is on the basis of qualities and education, not birth.
    6. There is ONLY ONE GOD that NEVER TAKES BIRTH. There is NO 'avatar'.
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Manusmriti says clearly that Brahmin can marry a shatriya, vaishya, or shudra girl. Such a marriage does not affect Brahmin's status. Similarly Shatriya can marry a Vaishya or Shudra girl.

    Marriage was allowed in lower class.

    Vedic society also allowed polygamy (up to 4 wives) to Arya. (Arya is a title given to nobles or graduates of Gurukul).

    The current society has adopted myriad superstitions and stories as religion. I am sorry but I need to repeat that so called "Hinduism" is not a religion at all. It can be called a classification of people but religion - no.
     
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    Donation is a very important aspect of Vedic religion. The king and rich people are expected to donate money to the cause of education, provide food to poor etc.

    The word 'daanvir' means a very kind person. The tradition of donating is very strong in Indian society due to its Vedic roots.

    Only recent Indians have become selfish due to "moorti pooja" where such "pooja" is supposed to give all kind of benefits. Such a "pooja" in reality gives no benefit except destruction of society. However people are ignorant and superstitious that keeps them wedded to their incorrect beliefs.
     
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    Bullshit. RSS gets to the spot of any natural disaster or accident even before NDRF does.
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Sounds like socialist version of Vedic dharma.
     
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    Thats hardly true.... well they do not have the dollar amounts the evangelical samaritans have and hence are limited financially, but how can they oversee the numerous ashrams that have free hospitals, schools, home for the elderly....
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Yes that is true but a Shudra marrying a higher caste girl is not allowed in manusmriti. I think warriorextreme is saying about that discrimination. Anyway manusmriti was corrupted during the fifth century AD and its original text has probably been lost. I believe Indians need to forget all distinctions and develop an Indian identity.
     
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    There is NO socialism in Vedic dharm.

    The structure of Vedic society is pure capitalist society.
     
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    What this thread doing in FORUM/WORLD AFFAIRS/AMERICAS


    rather it should be in cultrual thread
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Shudra can marry only a Shudra girl. However a Brahmin marrying Shudra girl without stigma is a big deal still. This proves that there is NO caste system in Vedic society.

    When classes were NOT BY BIRTH, a child of a Brahmin can still be considered Shudra. I have said before that Arya is a title which has to be gained. The title of Arya is NOT available just because you are born in a Brahmin family.
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Why can a Sudra not marry a Brahmin girl? What you are promoting is actually casteism. In fact you proved there was casteism in Manusmriti.

    Who determined the qualities in a person? Are you so naive that you think that a brahmin would allow his son to be called a shudra even if he has no skills. Placing restrictions on marriage promotes casteism and divides the society. Fortunately Bengalis hardly follow such age old rules . I believe there should not be a restriction on the ability to marry a person.
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Who says Brahmins have not married Sudras?

    I am aware of such cases amongst close circles and beyond.
     
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    I personally feel, there has been a little too much discussion on caste, casteism, intermarriage, etc. in the last few days. The presence of that Dharti pe Bojh from Mahilpur is responsible for this, to a large extent.

    All these concepts are totally irrelevant in today's world. Seriously, who cares what you caste is? I want to know what is your achievement, what is your identity? What have you achieved as an individual? How intelligent are you, how rich are you, how powerful are you? What is your merit? In simple Hindi, which the Mahilpur bumpkin will understand more easily - teri khud ki aukaat kya hai?

    I know that most members on this forum are discussing casteism on this thread purely for academic and knowledge purposes. Its more of a history debate. Apart from the Mahilpur bumpkin, no one cares about caste on this forum, everyone looks at individual merit.

    The world has changed. RSS and VHP are starting massive campaigns to root out caste discrimination. Fossils like the Mahilpur bumpkin are the worst enemies of Hinduism, and of India. Such people encourage missionary activities and conversions to Islam, and then we wonder why missionary campaigns are successful. Simple: Hindus are losing ground in India because we allow poison like the Mahilpur bumpkin to live among us freely. We allow such toxic elements to run riot, we need not scratch our heads about why Hindus are losing ground.

    The message needs to go out loud and clear, that the world has changed, and there is no place for the likes of @Jatt.Hindustan anymore.
     
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    Re: The long-held perception that Hindu spiritual organisations are no

    Yes sir,that is what I am telling that in Bengal there is no restriction on inter caste marriage. In fact even I know that Shudras can marry Brahmins and viceversa in Bengal. I am referring to @sgarg 's post who thinks he knows everything about Vedic life.
     
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    Exactly Jatt Hindustan has been spreading all kinds of casteist remarks in this forum.
     
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