Hindu Americans Rank Top in Education, Income

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Sir, I do not think we can brush away the achievements of Indian Americans so easily. The Indians who go to America have toiled day and night. They have, as they say in the cliched proverb,burnt the midnight oil. We should indeed be proud of Indian Americans and their achievements. They had to endure racial discrimination and other such troubles to achieve greatness. Also I know that there are no hyphenated Americans but Indian Americans are as patriotic as we are.
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hmmm, we see Indian American similar to the European migrants of USA, who are now first proud Americans with their country of origin of different parts of EU too. for example, we know Italians as the largest migrant community living in Australia till 90s, but most of them were born in Australia itself....

US has been an attraction of 'creamy layer' people of different parts of world, including professional immigrants and Businessmen both, who do bring their background with them, but now they are proud Americans first :ranger:
 
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The reflected-glory mode that so many people activate over such pointless stats, is what's wrong in India. You have Indian media ignoring achievements and positive news from home, while focusing on the achievements of Indian-origin people who have given up Indian citizenship, so the locals get an inflated sense of self-worth. As Bobby Jindal aptly put it, "we [PIOs] came here to be Americans, not Indian-Americans."

You don't have people from PRC basking in the reflected-glory of wealthy Chinese in freaking Singapore (who pride themselves in being Singaporeans first), or even PRC people basking in Hong Kong's glory. Mainland Chinese acknowledge that HK is a "better off" place, but are hopeful that decades of working their ass out will make mainland Chinese cities better than Hong Kong. So they're focused on doing that.

The ultimate Indian bragging-right right now is a student visa to the US. And that's a tragedy. For India.

there is one difference between Indian and Chinese migrants, Indians work for other businesses, as engineers-doctors-CA-business professionals, true. while CHinese work for themselves, even while running small shops...

there is no hard and fast rule, but on the majority basis, this is how we see a difference between India and Chinese migrants...

even if you go to Sydney, a major portion of business is run by the CHinese only, who generally speak chinese only among them. whether you go to casino, big business to small shops, a type of business occupation they have done in Sydney. when i first arrived in Sydney in 2003 as an international student, Indians used to say that half of the luxury cars here is owned by Chinese...

even if you go to Malaysia, most of the business is controlled by Chinese origins. even in Indonesia, its the CHinese who have business there, .. :ranger:
 
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How Immigration Has Impoverished Britain:

75% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Children Live in Poverty

Claims that immigration is economically beneficial for Britain have been destroyed by news that three-quarters of Pakistani and Bangladeshi children in the UK are being brought up in families that are living on poverty-level income. :ranger:

The report, issued by Millennium Cohort Study, which is tracking children born between 2000 and 2002, has found that 73 per cent of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi seven-year olds were in families estimated to be living on less than 60 per cent of the average national household income.

Just over half of the black children (51 percent) in the Millennium cohort were in such low-income families, compared with one in four white (26 percent) and Indian (25percent) children, said an official press release.

Predictably, low income was strongly linked to joblessness among parents, say researchers at the Institute of Education, University of London, who collected information from almost 14,000 families in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 2008/9.

According to the report, among fathers, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis had the highest unemployment rate (15 percent) well above the UK average of 6 per cent. Unemployment among black fathers was also high (11 percent) but Indians were less likely to be unemployed (4 percent) than whites (5.5 percent).

Almost two-thirds (64 percent) of white and Indian mothers had jobs :thumb:, compared with half (52 percent) of black mothers and only 17 per cent of Pakistani and Bangladeshi mothers.

A much higher proportion of children in lone-parent families (63 percent) were living below the study's poverty line than those with married (16percent) or cohabiting (30 percent) parents. :facepalm:

The incidence of income poverty for the Millennium cohort families has not changed appreciably over the first seven years of the children's lives, says Professor Heather Joshi, the study's director.

Despite government efforts to eradicate child poverty almost three in 10 children are still in poor families at age 7. It's particularly disappointing that around one in five seven-year-olds is in severe poverty on incomes below half the national average.

The findings appear in a report published today by the Institute of Education's Centre for Longitudinal Studies: Millennium Cohort Study, Fourth Survey: A User's Guide to Initial Findings. Copies of the report can be downloaded here.

bnp.org.uk/news/how-immigration-has-impoverished-britain-75-pakistani-and-bangladeshi-children-%E2%80%9Clive-poverty%E2%80%9D

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sir, Women Empowerment is now a crucial topic of discussion in world and we find, Indian Hindu women are the highest qualified, and mostly employed than any other communities of US-UK...

its so simple for us to say, its hard to find even a single Indian Women in US/UK, age above 25, who isn't at least graduate.....
 

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State of the nationreport: poverty, worklessness andwelfare dependencyin the UK

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (Religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced. :facepalm:

http://bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM -poverty-report.pdf
 

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Pakistani-Canadians: Falling below the poverty line

Pakistan-born immigrants are the new face of poverty in urban Canada. The Canadian census revealed that 44 per cent of Pakistan-born immigrants fell below the poverty line making them the second most poverty prone group of immigrants in Canada.:coffee:

While they may project an aura of opulence during their visits back home, their life in Canada, however, is often full of struggle and frustration. Thousands of Pakistani trained engineers, doctors, and PhDs are driving taxis or are working as security guards in large cities. In fact, one in three taxi-drivers in Canada was born in either India or Pakistan. Several others are unemployed thus becoming a burden on Canadian taxpayers.

The latest Census data for income for 2005 revealed that Pakistan-born immigrants reported the second highest incidence for the low-income cut-off, a proxy for poverty line in Canada. In comparison, only 18 per cent of India-born immigrants in Canada reported being a low-income person or belonging to a low-income economic family. Immigrants born in the United Kingdom, Portugal, Italy and Germany reported the lowest incidence of poverty in Canada.



Unlike in the Middle East where the Arab governments do not allow assimilation of migrant workers, the Canadian government and the society to a large extent does not create systematic barriers that may limit the immigrants’ ability to succeed and assimilate in Canada. This is not to suggest that immigrants face no barriers at all in Canada. They in fact do. For instance, Pakistan-trained doctors cannot practice medicine without completing further training in Canada. The shorter duration of medical training in Pakistan necessitates the additional certification for doctors. Engineering graduates from Pakistan, however, face no such barrier because the engineering curriculum and the duration of training in Pakistan is similar to that in Canada.

Despite the opportunities (and constraints), Pakistani-Canadians have not prospered as much as immigrants from other countries have. In 2005, wages earned by Pakistan-born immigrants were on average 70 per cent of the wages earned by those born in Canada. In comparison, wages earned by the India-born immigrants were 86 per cent of the wages earned by Canadians. At the same time, immigrants born in America earned 20 per cent more in wages than those born in Canada. Similarly, UK-born immigrants also reported on average higher wages than that of Canadian-born.



Because of lower wages, the Pakistan-born immigrants reported as one of the lowest home-ownership rates. Only 55 per cent of Pakistan-born immigrants reported owning their homes. In comparison, 75 per cent of the India-born immigrants owned their homes. At the same time, while only 12 per cent of the India- and Philippines-born immigrants had never worked in the past, 22 per cent of the Pakistan-born immigrants in Canada reported never being in the workforce.

The difference in wages, home-ownership rates, and employment rates between immigrants from India and Pakistan extend beyond the economic spheres. For instance, Pakistani-born immigrants live in large-sized families. Whereas only 13 per cent of India-born immigrants live in households of five persons or more, 44 per cent of the Pakistan-born immigrants live in households with five or more people. Given the lower wages, high unemployment rates and rental units, Pakistan-born immigrants experience severe crowding at homes where the number of residents per room is perhaps the highest owing to the large family sizes. :ranger:

Given similar cultural endowments, education, and language skills, it is important to explore why Pakistan-born immigrants in Canada have lagged behind their Indian counterparts. The Indian diaspora is much larger in size and has been established in Canada for over a longer period, which has allowed immigrants from India to benefit from the social networks required to establish oneself in employment markets.

While immigrants from Pakistan lack the social networks necessary for success with employment, I would also argue that they suffer from a self-imposed identity crisis. After arriving from Pakistan, many male immigrants feel threatened by the Canadian liberal values, which empower their children and women. Suddenly the head of the household cannot dictate the way he did in Pakistan. Instead of embracing the change that empowers their families, several male immigrants end up in a hostile standoff with their families that sometimes lasts for decades. At the same time, religious leaders, which are almost always imported from back home to serve in mosques in Canada, preach orthodoxy to the parish, further confusing the struggling males.

With turmoil at home and bleak employment prospects outside, Pakistan-born male immigrants struggle with the decision to stay in Canada or return to Pakistan. Children and wives are often shipped back to Pakistan for prolonged periods while the males continue struggling in the job market. While their children see themselves as Canadians, the Pakistan-born male immigrants spent decades figuring out how to cope with their hyphenated identity, i.e., Pakistani-Canadian.

The limited success of (mostly Asian and African) immigrants in the economic spheres and their modest assimilation in the mainstream Canadian culture has prompted the right-wing groups to launch campaigns against immigration to Canada. While opponents of immigration are mostly naïve and their recommendations to reduce immigration border on lunacy, the fact remains that huge changes in the Canadian immigration policies are already taking place. In Saskatchewan, for instance, the provincial government on May 2 has changed the law that now prohibits immigrants from sponsoring their extended family members unless they secure a “high skill” job offer before arrival.

Since 2001, Pakistan has lost the most in its share of supplying immigrants to Canada. Pakistan was the third largest source of immigrants to Canada in 2001 supplying 6.1 per cent of the total immigrants. However, by 2010 Pakistan’s share of immigrants declined by 71 per cent. Pakistan is no longer even in the top 10 sources of immigrants for Canada. At the same time, the Philippines experienced a 153 per cent increase in its share of immigrants making it the biggest source of immigrants to Canada in 2010.



While there is no shortage of applicants in Pakistan, it is hard to establish the precise reason for the declining number of immigrants. It could be that the dismal performance of Pakistan-based immigrants may have prompted the government to reduce the intake from Pakistan. It may also be true that the exponential increase in violence and militancy in Pakistan may have made the task of verifying credentials and identifying future citizens much more difficult.

Over the next 50 years Canada will need millions more immigrants. The current and expected fertility rates in Canada suggest that immigration is the only possible way of ensuring enough workers needed for economic growth and to keep solvent Canada’s security net. Pakistan-born immigrants had the chance to excel in Canada and pave the way for future generations of enterprising immigrants. Instead, Pakistan-born immigrants became the face of Canada’s urban poverty. Their dismal performance in Canada and the spread of religious fanaticism back home will most likely further reduce immigration from Pakistan.

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sir, we find Indians in Canada are among the average income group, is this because Hindus accounts for less than 50% of Indian Origins in Canada?

in fact, Canadian Sikhs are considered fairly rich, even Truck Drivers make good money, a true hard working community :)

also, Canada put Bangladeshi Migrants among the Pakistanis, like how it was before 1972. but UK has more clear data's with separating Bangladeshi and Pakistanis, but their state in UK itself is very similar with each others, so they are put together here too, as in last post#46
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How Immigration Has Impoverished Britain?

75% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Children “Live in Poverty”


Claims that immigration is economically beneficial for Britain have been destroyed by news that three-quarters of Pakistani and Bangladeshi children in the UK are being brought up in families that are living on poverty-level income.:coffee:

The report, issued by Millennium Cohort Study, which is tracking children born between 2000 and 2002, has found that 73 per cent of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi seven-year olds were in families estimated to be living on less than 60 per cent of the average national household income.

Just over half of the black children (51 percent) in the Millennium cohort were in such low-income families, compared with one in four white (26 percent) and Indian (25percent) children, said an official press release.

“Predictably, low income was strongly linked to joblessness among parents, say researchers at the Institute of Education, University of London, who collected information from almost 14,000 families in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 2008/9.”

According to the report, among fathers, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis had the highest unemployment rate (15 percent) – well above the UK average of 6 per cent. Unemployment among black fathers was also high (11 percent) but Indians were less likely to be unemployed (4 percent) than whites (5.5 percent).

Almost two-thirds (64 percent) of white and Indian mothers had jobs :tup:, compared with half (52 percent) of black mothers and only 17 per cent of Pakistani and Bangladeshi mothers.

A much higher proportion of children in lone-parent families (63 percent) were living below the study’s poverty line than those with married (16percent) or cohabiting (30 percent) parents.

“The incidence of income poverty for the Millennium cohort families has not changed appreciably over the first seven years of the children’s lives,” says Professor Heather Joshi, the study’s director.

“Despite government efforts to eradicate child poverty almost three in 10 children are still in poor families at age 7. It’s particularly disappointing that around one in five seven-year-olds is in severe poverty – on incomes below half the national average.”

The findings appear in a report published today by the Institute of Education’s Centre for Longitudinal Studies: Millennium Cohort Study, Fourth Survey: A User's Guide to Initial Findings. Copies of the report can be downloaded here.

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Who Has Impoverished Britain?

Its interested to see that out of total GBP 2,352 remittances outflow from UK, half of it, around GBP 1.16 goes to only 2 countries, Pakistan+Bangladesh. (GBP 533 million+GBP 627 million)

while Bangladesh and Pakistan occupy the seventh and eleventh positions respectively in terms of the global inflow of remittances, while UK is the 14th place remittance receiving country of world :rofl:
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World Bank data suggest that the UK is a net remittance-receiver

The UK is a receiver as well as a sender of remittances. As shown in Figure 1, the World Bank estimates suggest that since the mid-1990s the UK has been a net-remittance receiver. The main countries from which remittances are sent to the UK include Australia, the United States and Canada (World Bank 2010). Real remittance inflows (inflation adjusted) for the UK have increased by an annual average of 6% since 1989, reaching close to GBP 4,647 millionin 2009. However, these inflows represent a small share of the UK GDP (about 0.3% in 2009). The UK occupies the fourteenth place in the world in value of remittances received and the sixth place in Europe.

From 1989 to 2009, remittance outflows from the UK increased by an annual average of about 4% in real terms, reaching close to GBP 2,352 million in 2009.

The UK accounted for around 7% of annual remittances to Bangladesh in 2010 (about GBP 533 million) and about 10% of annual remittances to Pakistan during that year (about GBP 627 million) :ranger:

Bangladesh and Pakistan occupy the seventh and eleventh positions respectively in terms of the global inflow of remittances

Migrant Remittances to and from the UK | The Migration Observatory

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The Islamic future of Britain


The future of Britain?
Britain is in denial. If population trends continue, by the year 2050, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation :coffee:

Britain is in denial. There is no real public debate on a historic event that is transforming the country. Mention of it occasionally surfaces in the media, but the mainstream political class never openly discuss it.

What is that historic event? By the year 2050, in a mere 37 years, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation.

This projection is based on reasonably good data. Between 2004 and 2008, the Muslim population of the UK grew at an annual rate of 6.7 percent, making Muslims 4 percent of the population in 2008. Extrapolating from those figures would mean that the Muslim population in 2020 would be 8 percent, 15 percent in 2030, 28 percent in 2040 and finally, in 2050, the Muslim population of the UK would exceed 50 percent of the total population. :cheers:
Contrast those Muslim birth rates with the non-replacement birth rates of native Europeans, the so called deathbed demography of Europe.
:coffee: For a society to remain the same size, the average female has to have 2.1 children (total fertility rate). For some time now, all European countries, including Britain, have been well below that rate. The exception is Muslim Albania. For native Europeans, it seems, the consumer culture has replaced having children as life’s main goal.

These startling demographic facts have been available for some time (see ‘Muslim Population “Rising 10 Times Faster than Rest of Society”’, The Times, 30 January 2009. Also the work of the Oxford demographer David Coleman). But on this historic transformation of the country there is silence from the political establishment.

Not everyone agrees with these demographic figures. Population projection, some say, is not an exact science. Perhaps the Muslim birth rate will drop to European levels.

But this seems to be wishful thinking. For years it was believed that Muslims would enter what is known as “demographic transition”, with European Muslim birth rates falling to native European levels. But that demographic transition has not happened. In Britain, for example, the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities continue to have significantly higher birth rates than the national average, even after more than 50 years in the country. :coffee:

Over the short term (a few generations) demographic forecasting is as scientific as any social science can be. Britain and the rest of Europe are in native population decline and European Muslim birth rates are up. If that trend continues, then the projection of a majority Muslim population in Britain is sound. Even the highly respected economist and historian Niall Ferguson accepts the figures.

Many British people find it hard to believe their country could become majority Muslim. After all, it was never what they wanted so why, in a democracy, should it be happening? But we’ve had such disbelief before. Back in the 60s and 70s, many people scoffed at the notion that London could ever be majority non-white. But today it is.

The fact is that the deathbed demography of native Britons has come up against increasing Muslim birth rates and the result is a classic Malthusian geometric increase in the Muslim population. As Malthus emphasised, populations increase geometrically, not arithmetically. Given two populations, one declining one increasing, within a few generations the geometric increase of one over the other can be substantial.

Why has the Muslim birth rate not fallen to native levels? Just as there may be consumerist-cultural reasons for the low birth rates of native Britons, there may be strong cultural reasons for higher Muslim birth rates. As the journalist Christopher Caldwell puts it: “Muslim culture is full of messages laying out the practical advantages of procreation. As the hadith saying has it: ‘Marry, for I will outnumber peoples by you.’”

Yassir Arafat understood the political power of high birth rates. The Palestinian population increased sevenfold in one generation from 450,000 in 1967 to 3.3 million in 2002. The wombs of Palestinian women, Arafat said, were the “secret weapon” in his cause. The Israeli government is very much aware of Palestinian demographics.

Population projections over the long term can be wrong. But for Britain, over the short term, whatever way you do the numbers, they all point in one direction: Britain will be a majority Muslim state by the year 2050.

The political and social consequences of all this will be significant. Britain’s traditional foreign policy, particularly regarding the US and Israel, would very likely change. In fact the US and Israel are already anticipating the consequences of a majority Muslim Western Europe.

Britain’s social landscape would also be changed. The Adhan, the Muslim call to prayer, would very likely be heard throughout most of Britain. The traditional iconic sights and sounds of the country would also change from church bell-towers to minarets.

Very likely all of this would happen gradually but there can be little doubt that it will happen, and it would be perfectly democratic.

Given that such a historic change is taking place, the silence of the political class is curious, to say the least. Britain, until the 1950s, could trace its ethnic and cultural ancestry back thousands of years. In 1903, in Cheddar Gorge Somerset, the remains of a pre-historic man were found. Known as Cheddar Man, DNA tests on this almost 9000 years old skeleton showed that he has living descendents today, still in Somerset.

In fact, genetic studies show that the populations of the British Isles (and Western Europe) have been stable for millennia, giving the lie to the oft quoted liberal comment that “Britain has always been a country of immigrants.” That’s false. Until the mass immigration of the 1950s, Britain was ethnically homogeneous. (See Bryan Sykes’s Blood of the Isles.)

The long stretch of Britain’s exclusively European identity is now coming to an end, yet the political class refuse publicly to discuss such a culturally transforming event. Why the silence from the politicians? Are they not proud of their achievement?

The answer is that the demographic projections of a majority Muslim Britain show the British political class to have been catastrophically wrong on multiculturalism and immigration, and they are genuinely afraid to admit it. The British political establishment cannot give the full truth about immigration.

The former Conservative MP George Walden, considering the fears of his fellow MPs in discussing particularly Muslim immigration, wrote:

“I’d be so alarmed by the situation I’d do everything possible to suggest it was under control. It’s up to politicians to play mood music in a crisis, and up to the people to understand that there’s little else governments can do. The last thing they can say is that we face a threat to which we can see no end because it’s based on a clash of cultures. On the IRA we told the truth; on the Islamic problem, we lie.” (Walden, Time to Emigrate? p.120)

Back in the 60s and 70s, the British political establishment united in condemning Enoch Powell, not just as a racist but as being factually incorrect in his demographic predictions. Since then, the subject of immigration has split British politics between the truth-denying, but morally superior, political mainstream and the truth-telling legacy of the bogeyman Enoch Powell.

For good or bad, the history of the last 40 years has vindicated Powell on many issues and shown the political establishment to have been wrong. Some major figures on the liberal-left now acknowledge this fact.

David Goodhart, the founder of Prospect magazine, in his new book The British Dream, argues convincingly that he and others on the liberal-left got it wrong on immigration.

But they also got it wrong on democracy. The projection of a Muslim majority by the year 2050, coupled with the fact that the vast majority of the British people have consistently opposed large-scale immigration, post-war British politics must represent the greatest ever failure in democracy. If ever the “Iron Law of Oligarchy” were proved right, then it is post-war British politics that has done it. :D

The Islamic future of Britain
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State of the nationreport: poverty, worklessness andwelfare dependencyin the UK

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (Religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced. :facepalm:

http://bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM -poverty-report.pdf
 

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sir, along with the news of my last post#50, stating more than half of the Pakistani+Bangladeshi families below poverty line in UK, and more than half of the remittances outflow from UK too goes to Bangladesh+Pakistan itself....... from here, how would you respond to the news as below? :D

Uncontrolled Muslim influx a threat

A FEW weeks ago in London, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband told me that 75 per cent of the terrorist plots aimed at Britain originated in the federally administered tribal areas of Pakistan. Some 800,000 Pakistanis live in Britain.

The vast majority, it goes without saying, are law-abiding citizens. But there is a link between uncontrolled Muslim immigration and terrorism. :coffee:

The real historic significance of the illegal immigration crisis in our northern waters is that this could, if things go wrong, be the moment Australia loses control of our immigration program, and that would be a disaster.:sad:

It is extremely difficult to talk honestly about Muslim immigration. All generalisations about it are subject to countless exceptions. Muslims are very different from each other. Most are reasonably successful.

But a much bigger minority end up with social, political, extremist or other problems resulting from a lack of integration than is the case with any other cohort of immigrants in Western societies. A lack of honest discussion about this results in bad policy.

The most enlightening book you could possibly read on this is by USjournalist Christopher Caldwell, Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam and the West. It is by far the best book on public policy of any kind I have read for a long time. It is wittily written but attempts to be neither provocative nor politically correct. It is dense with data but its greatest strength lies in laying bare the intellectual, political and social dynamics that have led to the mess in Europe. The way the Australian debate is reprising what were profoundly destructive and misguided European debates, dominated by moral sanctimony and a failure to grasp reality, is eerie.

Caldwell is enlightening on the way asylum assessment processes are so easily scammed, and the sophisticated, intense exchange of information that means the slightest change in attitude by a receiving country is instantly relayed throughout illegal immigrant networks.:tsk: He writes: "An easily game-able system was in place that made admissions automatic to prospective immigrants who understood it. Various immigrant advocacy NGOs in Europe made sure they understood it... migrants knew the best countries to claim to come from. They also knew the best countries to go to ... (There was an) incredible sensitivity of prospective migrants to shifts in immigration law, and to countries' moods towards immigrants."

Caldwell also shows that once an illegal immigrant route is established as reliable it becomes immensely popular. This is what the struggle in the waters to Australia's north now is really all about. He further demonstrates how completely subjective and plastic the asylum-seeker assessment procedures are. In 2001 Denmark approved a majority of asylum applicants. By 2004, when the mood had changed, it approved only one in 10, though of course in Europe rejected applicants basically don't go home.

At times Caldwell seems to be arguing against immigration in principle, although all the problems he adduces relate specifically to Muslim immigration, and he acknowledges the success of other immigrants in Europe.

He frequently acknowledges the success of immigration in Canada, the US and Australia. In Canada and Australia, the governments choose the immigrants. In the US, most illegal immigrants come from Latin America and don't have the Muslim problems.:cheers:

But in so far as he makes a general case against immigration, I strongly disagree with Caldwell.

What he is really concerned with is uncontrolled Muslim immigration. The facts he produces are very disturbing. No European majority ever wanted this to happen. There are 20million Muslims in western Europe and this number will double by 2025.:rockroll:

How did this mass immigration of people with few relevant job or language skills, and a culture deeply alien to Europe, come about? Caldwell argues that the post-World War II period saw a radical disjuncture in European attitudes. Europe had just been wrecked by an enemy, the Nazis, who were avowedly racist. The unimaginable disaster of the Holocaust haunted every discussion of morality or policy. Europe was in the throes of decolonisation and felt guilty about its relations with non-white people.

This made an ideology of anti-racism - which itself became extreme and distorted, detached from reality and in many cases downright intolerant - the more or less official state religion of Europe. This had little to do with really combating racism.

In one of history's countless ironies, Muslim immigrants benefited from the legacy of the Jewish Holocaust. The determination initially to extirpate anti-Semitism didn't help many European Jews because they were almost all gone, but it offered a template for Muslim immigrants to find and exploit an ethnic victim status. This set up profoundly destructive dynamics and, in another irony, reintroduced serious anti-Semitism to Europe, carried with the Muslim arrivals.

Caldwell suggests a welfare state makes a bad marriage with mass, unskilled immigration. Welfare rather than opportunity becomes the attraction. More importantly, welfare becomes a lethal poverty trap.

At the same time, satellite television, the internet and mass immigration from a few countries means the old culture is always on hand for Muslim migrants. They don't need to integrate if they don't want to or find it difficult.

In many cases Caldwell cites, the second-generation of Muslim immigrants is less integrated than the first, and the third less than the second.

The demographic figures he cites are familiar but still shocking. Native Europeans won't have babies at anything like replacement level while the fertility of Muslim immigrants does not decline through time, as is the case with other immigrants.

Religion is the strongest predictor of fertility in Europe.

By mid-century Islam will be the majority religion of Austrians under the age of 15. In Brussels, most births are to Muslims and have been since 2006. In France, one in 10 people are Muslims, but they are one in three of those entering their child-bearing years, and Muslims have three times as many children as other French.:wink:

Caldwell writes: "Europe finds itself in a contest with Islam for the allegiance of its newcomers. For now, Islam is the stronger party in that contest ... when an insecure, malleable, relativistic culture meets a culture that is anchored, confident and strengthened by common doctrines, it is generally the former that changes to suit the latter."

Uncontrolled Muslim immigration is a change to Europe so great it makes all the treaties and bureaucratic falderol of the EU look footling and transitory by comparison.:coffee:

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along with fit in comparison with Pakistanis for having big families, Bangladesh isn't far behind in regard to the news as below too. its a recent news in fact ...

he scouted targets for a potential attack, including the New York Stock Exchange and U.S. President Barack Obama, settling eventually on the Federal Reserve Bank in Manhattan.

Nafis attempted to recruit others to his plot, and discussed his plans over social media sites such as Facebook, the complaint said. He claimed he was in contact with al Qaeda operatives overseas and actively sought out new al Qaeda connections in the United States, the complaint said.

One of the individuals he brought on board was an undercover agent working for the FBI, who monitored Nafis' activities and helped arm him with the inoperable explosives, federal authorities said.

Bangladeshi man sentenced to 30 years for New York Fed bomb plot| Reuters
 

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Indian Migrants in US/UK among the Pakistanis and Bangladeshi


the 2 neighbors of India, with closed to 200million population each

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sir, there are too many news stating the same news in different way. but we generally consider UK as a bench mark, as Indian migrants have been going there even since 19th century, even Mr M.Gandhi did his studies of Laws from London by 19th century itself...

similar to the above picture, we have a similar news as below. the difference between the best and least performing minority communities of UK, the Indians (Mainly Hindus+Sikhs) and Pakistanis+Bangladeshis with almost all Muslims as below....

i mean, this is
the story of the top most performing Immigrant group of US/UK, as compare to the least performing immigrant group, Pakistanis+Bangladeshis, a worse news than even the families with disabled members :facepalm:


There is a greater likelihood of disabled people living in poverty. For example, 23% of individuals in families where at least one member is disabled are in poverty, compared with 16% of families with no disabled member (BHC).

Relative poverty rates vary by ethnicity and are highest among those of Pakistani and Bangladeshi background at 52% BHC and 60% AHC.16 :tsk:



Unemployment rates also vary significantly between ethnic minorities. For example, the ethnic minority group with the lowest unemployment rates is Indians (6.8%), and the highest rate is among Pakistanis (19.0%), compared with an average unemployment rate among ethnic minorities of 12.8%. Black African workless household rates are 36%, more than double the national average.
http://bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM -poverty-report.pdf

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (Religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced. :facepalm:
 
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The Canadian census revealed that 44 per cent of Pakistan-born immigrants fell below the poverty line making them the second most poverty prone group of immigrants in Canada.

Pakistani-Canadians: Falling below the poverty line - Blogs - DAWN.COM

with that, we generally get the news like as below below too :ranger:

the least performing immigrant groups of US/UK pretends to be the best performing migrants....

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Indians account for 20% of Britain's ultra-rich club

Super-rich Indians account for more than 20% of the wealth of ultra-high net worth (UHNW) individuals in Britain, a new list showed on Tuesday. As a national group, they are second only to expat Russians. :ranger:

The list, published by the Singapore-based Wealth-X group, places steel magnate and ArcelorMittal chairman Lakshmi Mittal at second place with a fortune of $15.8 billion. Mittal was pushed to the second spot this year by Russian Alisher Burkhanovich Usmanov, who is part owner of the English football club Arsenal and is worth $16.4 billion.

Mittal has seen his net worth estimate decline along with the stock price of ArcelorMittal, losing at least $30 billion in recent years, the report said.

The two other Indians on the top 15 list are the Hinduja brothers Srichand at number 9 with a net worth of $7.6 billion and Gopichand at 12th with $6 billion.

Taken together, the wealth of the three Indian-origin industrialists makes up 22% of the top 15 total of $133.3 billion.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news-...ritain-s-ultra-rich-club/article1-875096.aspx
 
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Indian MBA students world's most academically distinguished

BANGALORE: It is students from IIM-Bangalore, not from Harvard or Stanford or even MIT, who excel at GMAT, the entrance test for the creme de la creme of B-schools across the world.

According to the QS Global 200 Business Schools report, Indian MBA candidates are the world's most academically distinguished, with students of the IIM-B, scoring the highest average of 780. IIM-B students are ahead of the leading US institution Stanford and INSEAD in Europe, the survey said.

While the average GMAT score of Stanford is 730, INSEAD lies at 704. Second to IIM-B students in GMAT score are their counterparts from IIM, Ahmedabad with 767. :india:


The survey says, "IIM Ahmedabad is notable for the extraordinarily high average GMAT scores of its students, with its figure of 767 exceeded only by fellow Indian institution, IIM Bangalore (780). This places the two ahead of any North American or European school for the academic quality of their student intake. The fact that students enrolled at both schools have an average of just two years of professional experience underlines the tendency for academically gifted students to move quickly on to the MBA qualification at the outset of their careers, rather than using it to up-skill at mid career, as is more common in Europe and North America."

IIM-B also appears in the survey as one of the emerging global business schools across the world, overtaking Melbourne Business School.

"It is the testimony to high quality talent that our country has. It is no surprise that Indian students have outscored others from across the globe. What is needed now is the establishment of premier institutes like Harvard and Stanford in India as well, so that these young minds could express their intelligence in best possible manner. This is possible only when full autonomy is provided to the universities," said T V Mohandas Pai, chairman, Manipal Global Education Services.

"At the time of independence, our universities at Mumbai, Chennai, Calcutta, Mysore and Baroda were among the top 200 in the world. Today, they do not fare in any ranking at all. This is the result of bad government policy. Full autonomy, independent board of governors and focus on research are the factors crucial for a good university," said Pai.

The colleges were also judged on different subjects under their programme. In corporate social responsibility, IIM-B ranked 21 among the top 50 business colleges across the globe, whereas IIM-A grabbed 19th rank. :coffee:

When it comes to emphasis on start-ups and small businesses to kick-start private sector growth ( entrepreneurship), IIM-B ranked 25 and IIM-A ranked 17. Under 'innovation', IIM-B was placed at 17th with a score of 90.6, whereas IIM-A ranked 13, with a score of 97.4 out of 100.

QS is an online and offline meeting place for aspiring managers, B-schools and businesses for career and educational -related decisions.

Many leaders in India

For the leadership development programme, four colleges from India feature among top 50 universities. They are: IIM-A, IIM-B, IIM-C and Indian School of Business (ISB).:tup:

Highlights of the survey

Schools ranked for employer reputation in 10 subject specializations. Harvard tops the table in three subjects, ahead of Stanford and MIT with two apiece. Wharton is number one for finance

Three Asian schools make the Elite global category: INSEAD Singapore, IIM-A and NUS Business School, National University of Singapore

No Elite Global schools in either Africa and Middle East, or Latin America :facepalm:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...distinguished-Survey/articleshow/17749898.cms

Indian MBA students world's most academically distinguished: Survey - The Times of India
 

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International Exams for Admission in US's,UK's institutes


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sir, we mainly have entrance exams for the international students for the US's/UK's/EU's leading Institutes for engineering, medical, MBA and CA studies. and high marks in the international exams may help you secure a seat in these western Institutes. very high cut off may help you get scholarship for higher studies too...

I have to search a reference for the GRE exam for engineering students, one for medical exam i heard too. but as mainly BE graduate engineers of world appear in the GMAT exams for MBA studies, the above news may have a topic of discussion.....

here, we see US's institutes like MIT, Oxford, Stanford etc above 700 'average' marks mainly because of those international students getting admission with very high cut off under scholarship program, hence raising the overall score as whole. i don't think the local average of US may exceed even 400 mark, they aren't even aware about the competitive environment of home countries of these international students. in fact, for the local students, there is no 'entrance test' for admission itself in these western institute, as i see in Australia by myself,.... having a degree but being 'competent enough' to deliver a competent project, are two different issues. the competency, these hard working immigrant professionals of developing countries bring with them....

and im only surprised with INSEAD France above 700 mark, the only non-UK institute of EU as whole, above the 700 cut off. as the UK's institutes itself are filled with international students only ....

today i was discussing about my classes in University of Technology Sydney, over 90% of my MEM and ME classes were filled with the students of developing countries. i would say, 66%+ were Chinese/ASEAN+Indians only, hardly upto 10% i would say Europeans, while its always hard to find 1-2 local from the Australia in this very high ranked Australian Institute, the only Sydney city university, the financial center.... i do have seen Australians in the BE classes, but on the Master level, i would better say that 95%+ studying in my classes of 2003-05 were immigrants of developing countries only....
in fact, Australian institutes dont accept GRE marks of admission in ME-MEM, only IELTs above 6.5 band and 75%+ marks in BE from the Indian institutes falling in their list is enough, as in our case of 2002 admission process. only GMAT marks for the MBA studies is asked....

a similar discussion we have as below too.... sir,its not about "killing" the locals of US, but its a simple language that they aren't "competent enough" to sit in competition with the immigrants professionals... US's labs are filled with hard working immigrant professionals of developing countries, those who develop technologies and those who use it, sell it, do business of it, are belonging to two different culture backgrounds..... the US's technologies which were then transferred to their allies UK and other countries.... i mean, there is no true technologies in world at present,which wasn't sourced from the Superpower US.....

and its worth mentioning,the 'cut off'of these high ranked/Top ranked Institutes of US is very high, as discussed as below.here, Indian-Hindus are in 13%+ which is for the international students of whole world.... and these Indians are mostly engineers, doctors, CAs, MBAs, in opposition to the locals with arts and other subjects....::truestory:

 
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=> and here, im more willing to say that they losing edge on education since early 70s, which they have to get back. a more clear picture as below, which would have a similar trend of losing edge on education, i sincerely believe. if we have a closed look on this picture,the line was well below 100 per 100,000 population of US till anytime till the early 70s. only 2008 recession broke it down...

and if we discuss it further, it was mainly because of fall in drugs related cases since 2008 recession, as below. look like a 'wake up' call, showing the first drop in Incarceration Rate/Crime Rate as whole.....
in fact, im scared of the day in India, if they dont learn from the US's past experience, and hence, one day we may reach a day when we need a great recession like 2008 to reduce crime rate somehow. the first great recession 2008, since the 1930th one.. :facepalm:

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/high-crime-rate-of-us-west-and-india-a-study.64399/

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A Crime mainly Means for its Seriousness

and i repeat, "Incarceration Rate is the best way to measure Crime Rate as we do know that long term imprisonment is applicable to serious crimes only. means, if there were few fighting on the streets then you would be released within days if no serious injuries. but if someone died, or someone was raped, then obviously you would go for a very long."

its so simple that, there might be so many driving offenses which can result is penalty only in most of cases, while a crime does means for its seriousness, like robberies/ murders/ serious assaults/ rape/ drugs smuggling etc....... even having small amount of drugs for personal use isn't a punishable offense in Australia, but smuggling drugs does means for 10years+ imprisonment, and here we mainly look on the Incarceration Rate comparison.

as we do know that even if many types of small crimes go unpunished in a developing country, like driving offenses etc, the major crimes like murders/rapes/robberies can't go unnoticed as we do have proper identities of civilians/IDs of people in developing countries like India/Indonesia/ Philippines/Vietnam type countries, and here we again find "Incarceration Rate" comparison of our interests
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=> and worth mentioning the curves as below here too, the first drop in net Mexican population in US seen since 2008 great recession itself,which is similar to how migrants of A8 countries moving back from UK, as below:-

 
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in fact,today i was discussing, Indians and Americans have the best combinations, either comparing the Indian Americans with the locals, as per topic of this thread.
or, the world's Incarceration rate of these 2 largest democratic countries as below: :rofl:

an overall picture of non-welfare society of India with 80%+ Hindu majority, where people dont receive any social security-free medical etc similar to US+UK... as compare to the welfare society of US+UK

here, only super power Russia is in match with super power US....
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/high-crime-rate-of-us-west-and-india-a-study.64399/
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A Crime mainly Means for its Seriousness

and i repeat, "Incarceration Rate is the best way to measure Crime Rate as we do know that long term imprisonment is applicable to serious crimes only. means, if there were few fighting on the streets then you would be released within days if no serious injuries. but if someone died, or someone was raped, then obviously you would go for a very long."

its so simple that, there might be so many driving offenses which can result is penalty only in most of cases, while a crime does means for its seriousness, like robberies/ murders/ serious assaults/ rape/ drugs smuggling etc....... even having small amount of drugs for personal use isn't a punishable offense in Australia, but smuggling drugs does means for 10years+ imprisonment, and here we mainly look on the Incarceration Rate comparison.

as we do know that even if many types of small crimes go unpunished in a developing country, like driving offenses etc, the major crimes like murders/rapes/robberies can't go unnoticed as we do have proper identities of civilians/IDs of people in developing countries like India/Indonesia/ Philippines/Vietnam type countries, and here we again find "Incarceration Rate" comparison of our interests
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=> in fact,Indian Hindu society is more on comparison with the Buddhist Japan as below, the richest and the most advanced nation of Asia, including on the world in comparison with US, Germany :thumb:

here, even the Germany with 90mil population, the largest EU's nation, looks doing pretty good as compare to Super Power US's 310 mil population, as below????
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Adjusted for population growth over time, the annual rape rate in India has increased from 1.9 to 2.0 per 100,000 people over 2008-2012 period. This compares to a reported rape rate of 1.2 per 100,000 in Japan, 3.6 per 100,000 in Morocco, 4.6 rapes per 100,000 in Bahrain, 12.3 per 100,000 in Mexico,24.1 per 100,000 inUnited Kingdom, 28.6 per 100,000 in United States, 66.5 per 100,000 in Sweden, and world's highest rate of 114.9 rapes per 100,000 in South Africa.[31][129]

Rape statistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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=> while Homicide/Murder rate of America, a worse figure than Africa too, im myself answer-less ...... how Human life is so risky in this wealthiest part of world???? :facepalm:

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Relation of Social Protection with the Reduced Crime Rate

with interestingly, half of the Budget of US goes in Social Security-Healthcare only, (24%+24%), and then number of interest payments also come. and it does mean reduce their crime rate???? as compare to those developing countries like India, where crime rate is registered 'mainly' from those who were in need of, had to do crimes for the purpose....

what exactly other non-Welfare societies like India do, which these two countries need to adopt?
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=> and this is the story of UK/Britain, as below :facepalm:

half of the budget, 28% for Social Protection+18% for Health+13% for Education = 59%, and then number of interest payment on debt also come...... but its their people dont look "civilized enough" to maintain low crime rate :toilet:

what education they need from India type developing countries?
hefty debt borrowing is done by the governments of US/UK for their budget expenditure, and this is their current state :toilet:
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and also, a tale of Debt Addiction Vs Drug Addiction in US since early 70s is as below:-
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=> we find rise in US's debt and rise in Incarceration Rate of US since 1975 had a similar trend as below. but yes, 2008 recession does bring this curve down, the first fall in this curve after 1975. mainly because of fall of drugs cases. hmmm, less money and less drugs cases since the recession.......?

and if we have a close look on this curve, the Crime Rate/Incarceration rate maintained well below to 100 per 100,000 till 1975, during any time of history of US till 1975, better than many Asian countries, in fact, as below. what exactly changed since then????

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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“In 50 short years, debt has gone from being a luxury for a fewto a convenience for manyto an addiction for mostto a disease for all,”

http://rt.com/usa/166352-us-total-debt-sixty-trillion/
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=>just to add bit more on this tpic, the picture as below shows UK among the few worse of OECD economies ....

 
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