High speed train a necessity or showoff ?

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  1. sehwag1830

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    OK i was comparing price of HST of China and Air fare of India over similar distance (1300 KM) .

    Now what i found was that air fare in India was 40% cheaper and 45% less time consuming.

    So do you think it will work in India or will it be a huge loss for tax payers.
     
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    It's necessity.Indian trains' fair would remain always less.Don't compare indian transport system with china.
     
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    ^^^ And who will pay for the loss incurred in running High speed railway.
     
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    i think its not reasonble to compare air fare in india vs HST fare in china. different country has different living cost. its like compare US air fare vs india air fare.

    HST is good for high population desity area. also with price of oil raising, its time to upgrade the railway.
     
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    I would say we need to hit the 250 kmph mark, and that would be a necessity, but going upto 350 kmph would probably be a salamander measuring contest.
     
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    High speed is good.

    Who will organise the infrastructure to achieve it?

    That is the question!
     
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    Show-off.

    Just increase the safety of the existing trains, increase amenities in existing wagons, introduce more Rajdhani/Shatabdi, introduce metro line in major tier I and tier II cities...

    Then we can go for high speed trains.
     
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    The question is will people in India use that train considering huge money involved and thus rise in train fare.
     
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    However the cost of train fare was same in both countries for normal superexpress trains. So this cost of living argument doesnt make sense.
     
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    I think so, although a market survey has to be done to come to a more reliable conclusion. The reason I think it is feasible is that people often shell out a lot of money travelling by means other than railways and do pay a lot of money. Also, not all trains will have to be HSR. Those that are not can continue with the current or reasonably increased fares.
     
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    And first people must be made to pay for train tickets and their civic sense improved before giving them the goodies.

    I dont want to see trains introduced at the cost of 1000s of crores and people travelling ticketless or just spitting whatever they chew out in the open.
     
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    Do you know that air fare in India is among the cheapest in the World ? So i doubt anybody would pay 30% extra money only to travel on HSR train.
     
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    Why do you think there will be loss ?? Railway minister says we don't have tracks to increase the number of trains than simply increase the speed of trains or build new tracks for these old fat ass trains and you know, I don't think building new tracks for old trains would be great idea.And would you please put those fares of chinese trains and air india you're talking about, I mean the comparison.
    Speed is essential and I'm sure chinese and indian railways have a lot of differences including fares.
     
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    And so we have AI crisis ringing our doorbells......
     
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    its not just about cost but time. its faster to goto train station get on train then travel to a near by city than fly. doesn't have to be HST, but efficient and has reasonable speed between major cities.
     
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    Exactly . The reason of loss is incredibly cheap air fare. Need to increase fare by Rs 1000.
     
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    distance : 1300 km

    air fare in india : Rs 4100
    TRain fare HST : Rs 7000-9000

    time air : 2 hrs
    train : 4 hr 30 mins

    Even you can search online.
     
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    Air Fare will go up as oil prices rise, HSR doesn't have the same problem.
     
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    What cost of coal is increasing at a very high rate ?

    I think India should consider building aircraft , so that we can cost one component low .
     
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    Not just coal, HSR can be powered by Nuclear, Hydro, Wind...We can reduce dependance on oil
     

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