High Speed Railway Corridor

[EXPERT]

Re: India considers magnetic levitation technology for high speed trai

@Srinivas_K - you are good in posting current news. . .
Go on dude, keep going. .

 

[Srinivas_K]

Re: India considers magnetic levitation technology for high speed trai

@Srinivas_K - you are good in posting current news. . .
Go on dude, keep going. .

This is a good platform for meaningful India related news discussions and world affairs :thumb:

 

[Ray]

Japan, China in race to sell India their high-speed trains

China and Japan are once again in competition, this time for the lucrative high speed rail network market in India.

The Japanese are already working on a feasibility study for the Shinkansen network on the Ahmedabad-Mumbai corridor, the results of which will be shared with the Indian side in the run-up to the PM's visit to Japan this weekend. Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is expected to make a strong pitch for India to buy the Shinkansen high speed network. Kyoto, where Modi lands on Saturday, has the best known Shinkansen connection with Tokyo.

Meanwhile, China, which now has the longest high-speed rail network in the world, is keen to sell their trains to India, at a price much lower than the Japanese. The Chinese president, Xi Jinping, will arrive for his maiden visit to India in mid-September.

Japan is hardselling better quality and higher safety standards, while China is pitching lower costs.

According to officials familiar with developments, Japan, at present enjoys a slight edge largely due to its safety record. China has had at least one spectacular high speed rail accident, killing hundreds. However, the Shinkansen's cost is prohibitively high, and despite having a fail-proof safety and speed system for almost half a century, Japan has not had great success in selling it overseas.

However, a new Japanese entity, International High-Speed Rail Association, comprising all the companies that build high speed railways in Japan will try to convince India about its product in October, said officials. Given the projected cost for each train at around Rs 60,000 crore (as announced by railway minister Sadananda Gowda in his railway budget speech) officials said Japan can sweeten the offer with a better financial deal, including FDI.

China has been sounded out on upgrading India's ageing and inefficient railways infrastructure, even building new stations. But the prize is the bullet trains because they are outright buys. China, which plans to have 19,000 km under high speed rail network from its present 11,000 by 2015, is now looking for private investment into the railway sector. Thus far, it has been funded solely by the government. But Chinese premier Li Keqiang announced on Sunday that henceforth China's railway growth, which he sees as essential for China's development would have to come from private sources.

India is planning to build high speed train networks on other routes such as Delhi-Agra, Delhi-Chandigarh, Mysore-Bangalore-Chennai, Mumbai-Goa and Hyderabad-Secunderabad.

Japan, China in race to sell India their high-speed trains - The Times of India

What will triumph - quality or costs?

 

[cw2005]

What will triumph - quality or costs?

I belive this is a normal case; i.e. to have Acceptable quality with affordable price plus political consideration.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

What will triumph - quality or costs?

The focus should be on quality.

 

[aragorn]

Re: India considers magnetic levitation technology for high speed trai

Shri Shri AK49 has claimed that ticket cost will be 70K for these type of trains....

 

[Ray]

And safety.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

And safety.

I hope the high quality may provide to security in some way.....

 

[mylegend]

What will triumph - quality or costs?

China has one significant accident, but so does Japan. Furthermore, there is only one line of Japanese high speed train is profitable, that is only after it s higher ticket price compare to China. If India think they can operate Japanese High Speed Train without endless burning of already tight budget, it is dreaming. I remember Singh, a member of the forum was on one of Chinese high speed train, I guess I can give a fair evaluation of the quality of Chinese high speed train.

Furthermore, India badly need expertise of upgrading existing dated system of rail which China has experience with.

 

[mylegend]

Furthermore, the most advanced version of Chinese high speed train still hold perfect safety record. The type that has the speed of 350km/hr still hold perfect safety record, although now it is running at a lower speed of 300km/hr. The accident involve model of train the goes between 250 to 200km which is not consider bullet train in China. However, the accident has expose the flaw of the fast expansion of high speed train network. The flaw of signal system that cause the accident was fixed after the accident. So far, there was no more accident.

However, India's slow train still have worse safety record than the high speed counterpart of China. Both Japanese and Chinese solution is the quality solution for dysfunctional Indian railway.

 

[mylegend]

India do not have the luxury to buy the most expensive Japanese system, because not only the fixed cost of initial investment is higher, the variable cost of continue maintenance is going make any operator to operate on significant lose. IF Modi is a pragmatic man as he been presented, he would choose Chinese solution. If he choose Japanese, then he is weighing diplomacy ahead of economy, which might not be a wrong decision if India budget imbalance is not in the current state.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

And safety.

I also forgot to add the transfer of technology as well will help build trade relationship for the long term. If they want to open 100% owned and as well get full protection on patents than it will help in building confidence between two nations. Thank you.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

India do not have the luxury to buy the most expensive Japanese system, because not only the fixed cost of initial investment is higher, the variable cost of continue maintenance is going make any operator to operate on significant lose. IF Modi is a pragmatic man as he been presented, he would choose Chinese solution. If he choose Japanese, then he is weighing diplomacy ahead of economy, which might not be a wrong decision if India budget imbalance is not in the current state.

You need not worry about the decisions to be taken by Modi led Government. It is going to be positive for the nation as he has demonstrated in the state of Gujrat. He always puts country ahead of any thing else. Any trade relationship is based the behaviour of leadership of your country which is very much visible in the media. I would like to see more trade sanctions against your PLA led regime. Your Army behaves like school children at best as seen by us on Youtube. These guys are trying to bring down the wall one stone at a time where as that boundary has been in existence for over 4 decades.

 

[mylegend]

umm.... I argue economic you argue PLA? I talk about high speed railway you talk PLA?

To simply things for you because your lack of comprehension, there is only one Shinkansen that is profitable.And And that is because that line is laways full between two metropolis Tokyo and Osaka. You may argue Indian can filled the train. That is not going to work, the profit of that line was based on combination of high fare/km ratio and almost 100% occupancy. Indians making a profit on a Shinkansen is a pipe dream. So practically, there is only one option for Modi if he is actually pragmatic.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

umm.... I argue economic you argue PLA? I talk about high speed railway you talk PLA?

To simply things for you because your lack of comprehension, there is only one Shinkansen that is profitable.And And that is because that line is laways full between two metropolis Tokyo and Osaka. You may argue Indian can filled the train. That is not going to work, the profit of that line was based on combination of high fare/km ratio and almost 100% occupancy. Indians making a profit on a Shinkansen is a pipe dream. So practically, there is only one option for Modi if he is actually pragmatic.

I am sure he will do the right thing and move away from your countries double agenda. We do not want to give business to a nation whose leadership refuses to live as a well behaved neighbour. It is your choice take it or leave it.

 

[mylegend]

I am sure he will do the right thing and move away from your countries double agenda. We do not want to give business to a nation whose leadership refuses to live as a well behaved neighbour. It is your choice take it or leave it.

It is India that wants HSR, of course it is India`s decision, but your nationalism lead you no where. China has bitter relationship with Japan, but we still need to source many electronic components from them out of economic rationale. It is India's decision to burn its good cash tthat could have been used for other more needed infrastructure or put it to good use.

 

[Ray]

China has one significant accident, but so does Japan. Furthermore, there is only one line of Japanese high speed train is profitable, that is only after it s higher ticket price compare to China. If India think they can operate Japanese High Speed Train without endless burning of already tight budget, it is dreaming. I remember Singh, a member of the forum was on one of Chinese high speed train, I guess I can give a fair evaluation of the quality of Chinese high speed train.

Furthermore, India badly need expertise of upgrading existing dated system of rail which China has experience with.

With costs, there is the issue of geostrategy and geopolitics.

Then it is all churned up and which is the best bet is what matters.

China is fabulous. But China is not trustworthy.

 

[CCP]

China to assist in high-speed rail corridors - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: China will work with India to build one of the proposed high-speed train corridors. Indian Railways will identify the project to be developed with Chinese cooperation.

The China Railway Siyuan Survey and Design Group and other Chinese enterprises will conduct the feasibility study for one high-speed corridor and prepare a project report with its financing. China will also assist Indian Railways with its semi-high speed plans. It will help strengthen tracks so that the maximum speed of passenger trains can be increased to 160 kmph from 130 kmph.
To begin with, Chinese engineers will help commission the Chennai-Bangalore-Mysore corridor and help augment train for 160 kmph. After the recent successful trial on running a semi-high speed train from Delhi to Agra, Indian Railways has identified eight other corridors to run similar semi-high speed trains.
As per the action plan signed by both sides, Chinese experts will survey and design specified sections and train Indian personnel. The China Railway Eryuan Engineering Group will coordinate with the High-Speed Rail Corporation, a subsidiary Rail Vikas Nigam Limited. "A high-level team of officials will soon visit China," said a senior rail official.
The agreement signed by chairman Railway Board Arunendra Kumar and the administrator of China's National Railway Administration, Lu Dongfu, talks of redevelopment of railway stations, training in heavy-haul transportation of Indian Railway personnel and setting up of a Railway University in India. China will help redevelop two stations.

 

[cobra commando]

Japan cites Shinkansen’s safety record as it eyes high-speed rail contract - The Times of India

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

It is India that wants HSR, of course it is India`s decision, but your nationalism lead you no where. China has bitter relationship with Japan, but we still need to source many electronic components from them out of economic rationale. It is India's decision to burn its good cash tthat could have been used for other more needed infrastructure or put it to good use.

Its not about ego, first Chinese need to create global trust for their products.