High speed bullet trains in India

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  1. Shaitan

    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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    Few years ago we heard the news of introduction of high speed bullet trains in India, but nothing was heard about it after that. Well, Here is the good news, Indian Railways’ top officials are into a dialogue with the Japanese delegation that just visited India, for introducing high speed bullet trains system under which the trains would run at a speed of 300km/hr. The Railways has already selected the six speed corridors where these trains would run and a feasibility study would be conducted very soon.

    A high speed rail authority will be set up for which the cabinet note is ready. The authority will decide the management and ownership of each high speed corridor. It will also decide based on the study whether a particular corridor will be implemented on PPP or non PPP. The Pune-Mumbai – Ahmedabad high speed study is complete and the study on Delhi-Agra-Lucknow-Varanasi-Patna and Howrah-Haldia corridors will be done and reports will be submitted soon. Even the tenders for the study of Chennai-Bangalore-Coimbatore-Ernakulum-Thiruvananthapuram high speed corridor are under final negotiations

    Japan which has become India’s one of the most trusted friends lately, has shown great interest in the project. Indian railways believe with the help of japan which already runs high speed trains can show India the way in this field. In fact a team of 12 members from railways had gone to Japan to study the high speed train system.

    High speed bullet trains in India | India dreams big
     
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  3. lcatejas

    lcatejas Regular Member

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    1st concentrate to reduce the accidents and apply anti coalition devices and more.. later think of new cream:shocked:
     
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    We need to upgrade our existing infrastructure but along with this we need to move into high technology areas like the Bullet Train. Once it is introduced there will be many technological spinoffs that can help the IR with their regular work.

    Also with high speed trains on important routes like Delhi-Ludhiana, Mumbai-Ahmedabad, Chennai-Bangalore, just to name a few, we can take the pressure off the highways.
     
  5. H.A.

    H.A. Senior Member Senior Member

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    there is a lot, i mean A LOT of difference in meaning and time delay in implementation, between discussing an idea and implementing it physically.
    i wonder who will be the rail minister then?
     
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  6. Bangalorean

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    Is this the first time we are hearing of "high speed train" proposals? Yet another proposal, yet another study, yet another survey!! Our netas and babus have gone on foreign junkets to "study" HSR tech in other nations. All these "HSR studies" need to be put under the CAG scanner.

    And mark my words - if this project is in the hands of Indian railways, nothing will ever happen. We can forget about it ever becoming reality in the hands of the regressive laggard babus in IR.
     
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    To give some idea on costs:

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  8. KS

    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    High speed trains are unnecessary white elephants in Indian context. Just ego boosters with little practical use especially in the era of reduced costs for air travel.

    What is needed is :

    • Completion of broad gauge conversion of all existing routes and electrification of major routes.
    • Laying of new lines especially in the North East.
    • Six laning all existing four lane highways and four laning the important two lane NHs.
    • Metros in all metropolitan cities and important Tier II cities.
     
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    Some thoughts:
    • Build High Speed Trains so that people can travel from distances of upto 150 kilometers (trans-suburbia) in not more than 60 minutes. That way, people from far flung areas can travel to the cities, work and return home.
    • Let the High Speed Trains also connect cities on a point-to-point basis, like Duronto with no intermediate commercial halts.
    • Let these trains, for distances over 300 kilometers, be day-only trains with double decker chair cars. That way, more people can travel, for lesser cost, thus making the service viable.
    • Let there be dedicated tracks for these high speed trains, but they should be broad gauge so that at the time of war, they can be used by our regular rolling stock.
     
  10. plugwater

    plugwater Elite Member Elite Member

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    Increase the express trains speed to 200Kmph.
    Doubling and electrifying in all important routes.
    More freight corridors.
    No Mamata for Railways

    These should be done in future.

    High speed ? No, never going to happen in India.
     
  11. sob

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    The moment the tracks are doubled and electrified the speeds will automatically go up. All the Coaches and Locos are rated upto 180 KMph but due to congestion on the lines they cannot go faster than the present speeds. Case in point is the Rajdhani Express, 20 years back it used to cover Kolkata to Delhi in 19 Hours and still does the same today, with newer locos.
     
  12. warriorextreme

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    if we start now then it might get completed by 2022 or 2025...land acquisition itself will take more years...and first thing they should do is connect mumbai-pune and mumbai-Ahmadabad..
     
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    no chance, not with railway minister like ugly didi and lalu. Not with Indian railway believe in low price than quality . Not with India people do shit on tracks,cow sleep on tracks,, terrorism etc etc.


    so sit and relax ,its not possible
     
  14. cir

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    feasibility study = 2 years
    contract negotiations = 3 years
    land acquisition = 10 years
    construction = 5 years

    It will take 20 years to build a 300km stretch HSR in India, assuming that the political will remains from day 1 to completion。
     
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    they have not completed chd-delhi highway in the last 20 yrs u r talking of 5 yrs:taunt::taunt::taunt::taunt:
     
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    :facepalm:

    ever you think in your life , that one day India will make an Aircraft Carrier and that too at home ?

    in time-limit , may be little here or there ?

    btw , I am still optimistic about the High speed bullet trains in India . :peace:
     
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    Aur kuch nahin japan trip toh ho gaya free mein.
     
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    Railways puts bullet train project on fast track

    29 DEC, 2011, 09.41AM IST, TNN .

    NEW DELHI: Railways' ambitious project of running bullet trains in six select corridors has been fast tracked as the state-run transporter is ready with the Cabinet note for setting up of a high speed rail authority.

    Railways' top brass are also in intense negotiations with the visiting Japanese delegation, seeking their cooperation for introduction of a high speed train that can run at 300km per hour.

    The authority will be empowered to decide on whether a particular corridor project will be implemented on PPP or non-PPP mode based on pre-feasibility study. Sources said that the authority will have the power to decide on ownership and management of each high-speed corridor. Besides, it will take a final call on project packaging, such as operator, fixed infrastructure and rolling stock.

    Railways has selected six corridors for conducting feasibility study for running high speed trains. The transporter has completed the pre-feasibility study for the 650 km Pune-Mumbai-Ahmedabad high speed corridor. It has selected a Japanese consortium to explore the feasibility of running a bullet train on the proposed Hyderabad-Vijayawada-Chennai high speed corridor.

    The consultants for the pre-feasibility study of Delhi-Agra-Lucknow-Varanasi-Patna and Howrah-Haldia corridors have been appointed and they are expected to submit reports soon, said an official.

    Tenders for the study of Chennai-Bangalore-Coimbatore-Ernakulam-Thiruvananthapuram corridor are under finalization. The state governments are ready to meet 50% cost of the consultancy. While Japan has shown interest in India's high speed train, it is funding 80% of the cost of construction of the 1,499 km-long Western Dedicated Freight Corridor.

    Railways believes that Japan, which runs the high speed train Shinkansen, can show India the way as both nations face a similar situation as far as population density and station-to-station distances are concerned.

    It is being estimated that dedicated high speed corridor will cost about Rs 100 crore per km.

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/railways/railways-puts-bullet-train-project-on-fast-track/articlesho
     
  19. Param

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    There is no need for Bullet trains in India. Besides it won't make economic sense.

    The existing system should be improved. The first thing is to install anti collision devices in all trains.
     
  20. LETHALFORCE

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    India plans to drive railways out of the Raj era into high-speed future

    India plans to drive railways out of the Raj era into high-speed future | World news | The Guardian

    The crowds, the chaos and the cows on the platform may soon be history. India's railways are to be given their most radical overhaul since the end of the British Raj with the introduction of high-speed trains on key lines – if an ambitious plan can be turned into reality.

    A bill is to be introduced in parliament to allow funding, studies are under way and six proposed "high-speed rail corridors" have been identified. Instead of clunking in grimy, packed trains delayed by fog, elephants on the line or breakdowns, Indians and tourists can expect a rather different experience.

    Japanese consultants have been in Delhi, India's capital, demonstrating the bullet train which travels at up to 200mph. "We are planning for the future. The pace of growth of the economy means high-speed trains will be a requirement. Not immediately perhaps but certainly in a few years," said Indian Railways' spokesman, Anil Saxena.

    The most ambitious line would eventually connect the eastern port city of Kolkata with Delhi. Trains would stop at Varanasi, the holy city on the Ganges, and Agra, site of the Taj Mahal. Currently the journey can take 36 hours. A British firm has been commissioned to survey the first part of the route, from the capital eastwards to Bihar.

    Other routes will link cities in the south and west such as Pune, Ahmedabad and Mumbai.

    Overseas experts are not convinced that India either needs or can build high-speed railways. In France a mile of TGV track costs £15m, and much more through hills. In Britain the HS2 project has been priced at £33bn while California's bullet train is estimated at £70bn and will take more than 20 years to complete.

    The total investment in India, even if land is cheaper, would thus be immense, experts say. New stations would have to be built in leading cities and there are big safety issues.

    "The distances are massive, there are huge cities to go through or round and some very difficult terrain. And people are just not used to that kind of speed. Could they cope with that kind of technology?" said Christian Wolmar, a British transport writer.

    Indian trains today average 45mph which, though an improvement on 35mph two decades ago, still puts them among the slowest in the world. Wolmar suggested implementing more modest measures to cut travel times on existing track.

    Then there are the general issues blighting thousands of infrastructure projects – including desperately needed roads, power stations, canals, sewage plants and bridges – across India. Local experts say such scepticism is not justified.

    "There is definitely a need for such initiatives and [high-speed rail] is theoretically possible here," said Dr Varadharajan Sridhar, a specialist in Bangalore who pointed to the success of the metro in the Indian capital – a project that many said was impossible to execute – and to the high-speed train network being built in China, India's regional rival. "There is no reason why we can't do what China has done," he said.

    There have been safety concerns over China's high-speed train after a crash in July killed more than 40 people. But practical problems are nothing new to the Indian railway ministry. Its 1.25 million employees overcome all the usual hazards of daily Indian existence – from packs of aggressive monkeys through to natural disasters and Maoist guerrillas – to carry 25 million people to their destination every day.

    The ministry is reputed to be the second biggest public sector employer in the world after the Chinese army and, with a revenue of £13bn, has even made a profit in recent years.

    The railways have played a key cultural and historical role. Sudhir Kumar, author of a recent book on Indian railways, described the network as "the lifeblood of the country".

    "The railways have been so very important in the independence struggle of India, in the unification of India and in the economic life that anything that gets their wheels turning quicker is to be welcomed," Kumar said.

    Saxena, the Indian Railways spokesman, said that sitting on the roof of the trains, already forbidden though occasionally practised, would be discouraged.
     
  21. Bhartiya

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    Hathi chale bazaar kutte bhaunke hazaar :taunt:
     

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