High level Govt report on comparison between armies of India & China

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    Spendings stuck, India trails China in firepower

    BY: The Indian Express Limited

    A year after China paraded its military might to mark 60 years of Communist rule, an internal study by South Block shows that the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is way ahead of India in terms of strategic missiles, artillery, development of indigenous military hardware and acquisition. This comparison study has been shared with the UPA government at the highest levels.

    China’s defence budget, pegged at $77.5 billion, is more than twice that of India’s $32-billion but its 2009 military parade has set off alarm bells in Delhi given the shortcomings in indigenous production capability and gaps in acquisition of military hardware — for a few years now, the Defence Ministry has not been able to spend the allocated capital for modernisation of the armed forces.

    This is what the internal study found:

    The PLA has a clear lead over the Indian Army in terms of infantry weapons, armoured personnel carriers (APCs) and artillery guns.

    The Army has no answer to the Chinese QBZ-97 Type 97-2 5.8/5.56 mm anti-riot gun, the AK-74 modified QBZ-95 Type 95 automatic rifle, the M-16 NATO rifle modification Type 95B carbine.

    The 9 mm Indian Army sub-machine gun (SMG) is considered inferior to the Chinese Type 5 sound-dampener 9 mm SMG, a modified version of the German Heckler & Koch MP 5 SMG. The original HK MP-5 is used by the Special Protection Group in India.

    The Indian 5.56 mm INSAS is considered superior to the Chinese 7.62 mm (Type 85) assault rifles but the PLA QBZ-95 automatic rifle is better than the Indian 7.62 mm standard issue rifle.

    Indians and Chinese are even when it comes to armour on display. The Arjun main battle tank is better than the Chinese third-generation ZTZ-99G MBT, a modification of the Russian T-72 battle tank. The Indian T-90 is superior to the Chinese ZTZ-96 A MBT in terms of firepower and accuracy. Even an Indian T-72 is a match.

    India has no answer to China’s ZRD-05 tracked amphibious assault vehicles, ZBD-03 tracked AB paratroopers combat vehicle and WJ-03B wheeled armed vehicle used by the Snow Leopard Commando units.

    China’s tracked APCs are superior to Indian APCs as they are copies of the Russian BMP-III — India still uses the Russian BMP-I with a 30 mm cannon and anti-tank guided missile.

    On the artillery front, the Indian Army can’t match the PLZ-05 155-mm tracked self-propelled (SP) howitzer, PLZ-07 122-mm tracked SP howitzer, PLL-05 120-mm wheeled SP mortar and PTL-02 100-mm wheeled SP howitzer. Both countries use the same Russian 300-mm multiple launch rocket system.

    The two armies are evenly matched when it comes to anti-tank guided missiles and anti-aircraft guns. PLA’s Red Arrow missile is a notch below the NAG anti-tank missile; the Indian air defence gun ZSU-2S6M1 has an edge over the Chinese PGZ-04A gun.

    India is still developing the Sagarika long-range missile as an answer to the Chinese DF-31A ICBM. Indian cruise missiles like Brahmos suffer from range limitations while the Chinese DH-10 land attack cruise missile can strike targets beyond 1,500 km. The YJ-83 anti-ship missile has a 500-km range.

    New Delhi has no answer to the YJ-62 A shore-based anti-ship cruise missile with a range of over 300 km. But the Agni series of short range, medium range and intermediate range missiles are more than a match for the Chinese DF-11A SRBM, DF-15A SRBM, DF-21C MRBM.

    Chinese fighters J-7, J-8 and J-10 are either equal to or a notch below the IAF MiG-21, MiG-27 and Mirages. The PLA’s J-11B fighter has an equal in the IAF SU-30. The Indian Jaguar deep penetration strike aircraft is more than a match for the Chinese JH-7A Flying Leopard. IAF refuellers and AWACS are far superior to the Chinese HY-6 refuellers and KJ-2000 early warning aircraft.


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    hope our Govt wakes up now.
     
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    Request to Moderators:

    Please change the title of the Thread to "High level Govt report on comparison between armies of India & China".
     
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    And lets not even talk about quantity.
    Instead of matching China gun for gun howitzer for howitzer, we should concentrate on game changers like BMD Shield, ICBM, SLBM, economic progress and better relationships with East Asia.
     
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    Air force is better placed as far as technology is concerned. But no word on the navy.
     
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    after reading the bold word, I decided to stop reading....because the article writer even can not tell the difference between QBZ-95 and ak 74

    how can QBZ-95 be a modifed AK74?

    Ak74
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    QBZ-95
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    There are no images of the guns when I click the link badguy2000 BIG BROTHER...............
     
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    Where are the pics, big brother? i am not able to see anything
     
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    Clearly, the IA is the biggest loser among all three branches of the armed forces when compared to the equivalent Chinese land forces. High time they get their act together !!
     
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    But here the report brings out the qualitative difference of weapon systems. It does not shed any light on the quantitative requirements of the forces which is, to me, is equally important.
     
  12. miqi

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    china has a lead in terns of infrantry, but lag far behind in navy ,for india possess carrier and can use it expertly . carrier is a platform that can project militay force unexpectly, thus form a serious threat to china during a war.
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    Certainly. PLA is way ahead in terms of readiness for combat, equipment availability and troop readiness as compared to IA which has its hand tied by our weak and corrupt government. However, even IAF has an edge considering in terms of multi-lateral aerial training with multiple nations and therefore encompassing various tactics both from West and from East. PLAAF may have the size edge but even geographically it has an issue of payload to be used massively in Himalayan region where limited payload is a real ranger to the fighter as well as to the troops fighting below.
     
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    Yes, I agree with you Tshering bhai and i would like to tell that INDIAN AIR-FORCE is the best in SOUTH ASIA. We have already proved that in the KARGIL war.
     

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