Here's why Chinese blogs must be monitored

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  1. neo29

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    The blogosphere in China is expanding fast; thousands of new individual blogs are appearing every day, conveying opinions on a variety of topics.

    On quite a few occasions, they are critical of the performance of local governments, with focus on condemning corruption at leadership levels and commenting on development issues.

    Apparently the government is allowing such discussions. The comparative freedom being enjoyed by the bloggers in expressing their views is indeed notable. A question however arises as to how to assess the contents of these blogs and correlate them to a larger picture?

    What follows is an attempt to find an answer from Indian point of view. Two sample blogs in Chinese language, both critical of India have been examined -- under the premise that the blogs in China, like those in India, belong to individuals and that they do not represent the party or government; as such, their contents are unofficial, having no relevance to state-to-state relations between India and China.

    The blogs selected for scrutiny are one that appeared on warchina.com dated October 16 and the other on huanqiu.com on September 30.

    The Yadong Junshi blog on warchina.com, captioned India Did not Dare Say a Word: China's HQ 9 Brings Down Indian Military's Falcon Aircraft, covers the crash of India's AN-32 transport aircraft in an area in Arunachal Pradesh close to border with China on June 9, 2009.

    While there has so far been no official Chinese report on the crash, the blog gives its version different from what Indian authorities have said.

    The aircraft had crashed within the Indian territory due to an engine failure. However, the blog, quoting reports in the US and Russia, comes out with a claim that the Indian plane was shot down by a Chinese air defence unit; notable is that the claim is not direct, but is based on foreign reports.

    Also, according to the blog, US press reports have felt that on the basis of signs seen by them, in particular the downplaying of the incident by India, it could be estimated that the crashed aircraft was not a big transport plane as explained by Indian military, but was India's first early warning Phalcon aircraft.

    Though Indian military analysts may have valid reasons to dismiss the story as speculative, what may look noteworthy for them is the blog's account, acceptable or non-acceptable, of China's air defence preparedness in the Sino-Indian border.

    The Yadong Junshi blog alleges that in Indian thinking, China would be busy with its commitments in Korea and South China Sea, leaving no time to pay attention to 'Southern Tibet' (Arunachal Pradesh).

    It points out that on that basis, through its acquisition of Phalcon aircraft, India is aiming to develop a partial air force superiority vis-a-vis the Chinese Air Force and by augmenting its troop strength, is trying to thoroughly occupy what it calls 'Southern Tibet'.

    The blog then observes that however, signs of India's weakness appearing in the period following the 'shooting down' of its aircraft, include New Delhi's despatch of additional troops and deployment of four more SU-30 aircraft into 'Southern Tibet'.

    The blog then quotes Russian reports as saying that as everybody knows, China has deployed HQ 12 and HQ 9 air defence units in the Sino-Indian border and that they have 'reasons to think' that the shooting down of Indian aircraft is a 'deadly warning from the Chinese army to India'.

    The blog also refers to findings of British assessments that in 1993, China developed its first air defence system called S-300, to be followed by that of HQ-9 (Hong Qi-Red Flag 9) system in 1998 and a latest version of the same in 2008, capable of acting against Indian aircraft like SU-30, Mirage 2000, Jaguar, MIG 23,27 and 29.

    China now has 16 HQ-9 missile battalions on the Sino-Indian border.

    British reports further say that HQ-9 has universal missile launch vehicles designed after Russian S-400 model, uses HT 233- type phased array fire control radar, radar band for the C-band antenna for 300 MHZ band and a detection range up to 150 km with a single pulse angle tracking and anti-interference ability.

    A command vehicle, four communications and maintenance trucks, a missile control car, radar vehicle and eight missile launchers of 16 vehicles operate a HQ-9 missile.

    The blog remarks that as per British estimates, 30 sets of HQ-9 in China will be enough to enforce on India a 'no fly zone' of 100-125 km from the Sino-Indian boundary.

    The second mentioned Chinese language blog in 'Huanqiu' (Chinese Equivalent of Global Times) entitled India Raves Again! Scope of Its Nuclear Attack is to Lock Half of China! contributed by one Feng Shanzhi, alleges that the Indian Army-Navy-Air Force tri-service, is planning to equip its troops with 40 nuclear attack fighter aircraft, with the objective of enhancing the ability of Indian nuclear air attack.

    In this connection, it reveals that India's Strategic Forces Command has already submitted proposals to the Indian defence ministry asking for sanctions to form two fighter squadrons, leading to the establishment of a nuclear capable 'mini-air force'.

    Quoting Indian military sources, the blog says that Su-30 fighter squadrons are to be based in Tezpur and Chabua and assesses that if Su-30 fighters carry 'Brahmos' missiles, China's Kunming, Chengdu, Chongqing, Nanning, Guilin and Lanzhou will be targetted.

    The blog claims that the targets of India's space-based nuclear deterrent force will be China and Pakistan and demands India's neighboring nations to be vigilant about the developments.

    The contents of the two unofficial blogs attacking India, contributed by individuals in China deserve to be noted by military analysts in India.

    This is because the bloggers seem to be knowledgeable and appear to have access to data required for analysis.

    Also, the timings of blogs could be important in the prevailing atmosphere marked by China's growing assertiveness in Asia, which appear to emanate from its need, being perceived since middle 2009 to protect the country's 'core interests'.

    China's naval activism in South China Sea along with East China Sea, growing interest in the Indian Ocean, strong anti-US stand on the Dalai Lama and Taiwan issues, are prominent manifestations of such assertiveness.

    The current situation concerning contentious issues between India and China also merits attention in relation to what the two blogs have commented on India.

    Beijing has so far not listed the Sino-Indian border under the 'core interests' category, but it continues to claim the entire Arunachal Pradesh as part of China.

    It is developing fast the civil and military infrastructure in Tibet; prominent in this regard is the reported Chinese deployment of Dong Feng-2 or CSS-5 MRBMs along the Indian border.

    This along with China's very recent inclination to move away from its stand of neutrality hitherto kept on the Kashmir issue is causing serious concerns in India. It is not surprising that the Indian external affairs minister himself has expressed fears (New Delhi, April 21) over implications arising from China's military modernization and strengthening of infrastructure in Tibet.

    As far as India is concerned, no meaning needs to be attached to the unofficial Chinese blogs, from the point of view of state-to-state relations between the two sides, which have developed their own dynamism.

    On the part of Indian analysts also, they should not get paranoid about what the two blogs have said as they are from individuals in China; but they may need to recognize that the blogs could represent the opinions of at least some in the Chinese society and accordingly take a note of them in formulating their responses.

    It is worth pointing out that converse is true in the case of India also, where independent blogs and comments critical of China are appearing, to which Chinese analysts are being seen reacting whenever they feel necessary.

    Source : Rediff.com
     
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  3. Ray

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    If China had brought down the transport aircraft, one wonders if it could be kept under wraps.

    If the Americans and Russians can know (taking it that they have their agents there), then surely such a mishap would be known to the locals and since there are different political parties in Arunachal, the Opposition would have surely raised it as the issue of Chinese incursions were raised.

    While China is indeed acting belligerent along the Line of Actual Control, one should also realise that there are vested interests who, through their paid agents, can raise the bogey of China out of proportion so that their defence industry can make a quick killing feeding on Indian misapprehensions over Chinese military activities aimed at establishing Chinese hegemonic aspirations!
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    I was in Sikkim when the skirmishes in North Sikkim had happened, the reality is way too different from what common Indian perceives. I don't want to state things which I saw and heard there, but one thing I would state GOI is spineless and shit scared of China not Indian Armed forces, reasons are best known to Congress party in particular! I hope you get the picture.
     
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    at the very first glimpse I thought the subject was "Chinese blogs must be CENSORED" :emot100:

    if u can understand Chinese many bloggers tag 'spineless' to GoC :angry_6: too, or comment GoC is acting like bodyguards for vested interests such as real estate developers

    those who are in power tend to be relatively 'conservative' or 'cautious' with more 'concerns', and are exposed to criticisms from different angles naturally.
     
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    there were rumors of IAF plane being shot down in arunachal by chinese.u never know with GOI.all these things comes out only when shit hits the fan like with nehru and 1962
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    True, Nehru and his policy of Bootlicking and struggle for Nobel Prize is no secret. He was a stubborn character oblivious of geo-politics, he even made a shameful statement that "let China take on North-East and other Northern parts we can shift out capital to South (Bangalore). Yup things come out when shit hits the fan!

    I had seen the military movements and trucks with Big Rectangular Boxes coming down from forward posts in Sikkim, you can gauge what was the situation there, I don't want to spill it out.
     
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    S300 is developed by Russians and not by chinese .
    If I am right they are talking about Phalcon AWAC plane,with 500 kms range does it need to go so deep into chinese territory ? Who is fool here .
     
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    China shoots down Falcon(Phalcon)? What an idiot & we are reading and discussing it? Do anyone really thinks that IAf is such an idiot to risk it high value assets by taking them near to chinese SAM? simply crazy. BS at the optimum level.
     
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    Monitor Chinese blogs?
    That seems to be a mission impossible for India given the fact there are so many new blogs opened everyday in China, not to mention that there are so little Indian experts can actually read Chinese blogs without the help of Google translator.
     
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    I thought pretty much the same. When i clicked the link of this thread, i was preparing for a fierce bashing on Chinese censorship system and lack of freedom in China.
     

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