Henderson Brooks report made public

[Hari Sud]

I went thru the Henderson-Brooks report posted on India Defence Review website.

Very clearly it is typewriter typed copy and had notes, crosses and corrections in the margins on various pages. Hence the British journalists a draft, before the final version is typed, bound and presented to the government. You do not have to guess a lot to conclude that who kept the draft after the noted corrections had been made. It is supposed to be destroyed. The typist kept it.

The generals who prepared the report were not born yesterday that they did not realize that the corrected draft had to be destroyed. They either got it back and kept it back for themselves or carelessly left it with the typist. The latter could have passed it on to the British/Australian journalist. On the other hand the generals thinking that the corrected draft will not be missed, hence quitely gave it to the journalist.

The final version went under lock and key for the last 50 years. The drafts were not under lock and key hence were quitely shared.

 

[Bhadra]

Re: India BJP targets ruling party over China war report

I read one of the Leader, in one of the newspapers.

It said Maxwell is an Australians and Henderson Brooks on retirement went ot Australia. It must be remembered he was an Anglo India and in those days they thought of UK as their home and when UK cut down Anglos entering UK, they went to Australia!

The Leader claimed an equation.

The article went on to state that Bhagat who was a member of the Report was overlooked for promotion to the COAS, indicating tongue in cheek that it was because of the Report which was critical of the political leadership and the military brass compromised to be yes men!!

Oh that General of the Generals also died under mysterious circumstances !!

Any conspiracy theory ??

 

[Bhadra]

I went thru the Henderson-Brooks report posted on India Defence Review website.

Very clearly it is typewriter typed copy and had notes, crosses and corrections in the margins on various pages. Hence the British journalists a draft, before the final version is typed, bound and presented to the government. You do not have to guess a lot to conclude that who kept the draft after the noted corrections had been made. It is supposed to be destroyed. The typist kept it.

The generals who prepared the report were not born yesterday that they did not realize that the corrected draft had to be destroyed. They either got it back and kept it back for themselves or carelessly left it with the typist. The latter could have passed it on to the British/Australian journalist. On the other hand the generals thinking that the corrected draft will not be missed, hence quitely gave it to the journalist.

The final version went under lock and key for the last 50 years. The drafts were not under lock and key hence were quitely shared.

Well the moral of the story is that it was leaked !!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

 

[Bhadra]

Shiva Shankar Menon is the NSA and an old China hand if not a specialist.....

He talks soothing words diplomatically couched....

His assertion that it merely is a report by two officers at a particular point and time of history and may not contain entire truth is amazing.....

It means there is something more than that official truth ??

Does it mean that the report merely looks into the military aspect of the War and fails to uncover many others ?

He may be right in saying that the truth behind the roles and misdeeds of real culprits like then PM and FM Nehru, RM the Commy Menon, Defense Secretary, Foreign secretary Desai, Director of IB BN Mullic etc have not been investigated !!

Well that is true as that was not the mandate of The Commission. And the commission was not allowed to investigate even the Services HQs by then COAS Gen Chaudhary. Though they were hardly allowed to play any role as Nehru and the party had virtually taken over the roles of the Service HQ and their chiefs.

Rightly said by someone that war is too dangerous a business to be left alone to politicians ( and bureaucrats like Mullic and Desai ).....

 

[Bhadra]

It is a general feeling that if one has read Maxwell's book "India's China War" one does not need Anderson report..... though the book is highly prejudiced and biased against India... due to the political background of the time (when the book was published - 1970) when USA and China had become Bhai Bhai and India was dubbed as USSR follower as per cold war calculation.

That is the time when lot of literature emerged from the West and USA ( a la Alister Lamb, Maxwell etc) accusing India for 1962 war as also for Kashmir problems.

Anderson Brook report was meant for Indian consumption but Maxwell used it for Chinese and American consumption.

 

[amoy]

It is a general feeling that if one has read Maxwell's book "India's China War" one does not need Anderson report..... though the book is highly prejudiced and biased against India... due to the political background of the time (when the book was published - 1970) when USA and China had become Bhai Bhai and India was dubbed as USSR follower as per cold war calculation.

That is the time when lot of literature emerged from the West and USA ( a la Alister Lamb, Maxwell etc) accusing India for 1962 war as also for Kashmir problems.

Anderson Brook report was meant for Indian consumption but Maxwell used it for Chinese and American consumption.

what? America and China started Bhai Bhai since 1970? Only in 1972 did Nixon visit China for nomarlization of ties while Vietnam war was still ongoing.

can u do any better in yr endeavour to discredit Maxwell book and Henderson report than distorting the timeline?

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[Bhadra]

what? America and China started Bhai Bhai since 1970? Only in 1972 did Nixon visit China for nomarlization of ties while Vietnam war was still ongoing.

can u do any better in yr endeavour to discredit Maxwell book and Henderson report than distorting the timeline?

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Oh ... so your understanding is that the events drop out of sky or happen overnight. You mean to suggest that Nixon suddenly dropped into Beijing and there were no Bhai Bhai before that ??

Maxwell's account of the Chinese claims on Tibet and his support to the Chinese claim lines is a sure shot give away, my dear. While discussing Tibet and Ladakh he asserts that the tradition of exchanging gifts between China and Tibet in the 19th century was proof of Chinese tributary relationship over Tibet. He forgets about Gulab Singh Conquest of Tibet and Treaty of 1842 between Tibet and Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir... where was China then ??

There are so many other things to prove that the book was directed at Chinese appeasement...

 

[Bhadra]

I went thru the Henderson-Brooks report posted on India Defence Review website.

Very clearly it is typewriter typed copy and had notes, crosses and corrections in the margins on various pages. Hence the British journalists a draft, before the final version is typed, bound and presented to the government. You do not have to guess a lot to conclude that who kept the draft after the noted corrections had been made. It is supposed to be destroyed. The typist kept it.

The generals who prepared the report were not born yesterday that they did not realize that the corrected draft had to be destroyed. They either got it back and kept it back for themselves or carelessly left it with the typist. The latter could have passed it on to the British/Australian journalist. On the other hand the generals thinking that the corrected draft will not be missed, hence quitely gave it to the journalist.

The final version went under lock and key for the last 50 years. The drafts were not under lock and key hence were quitely shared.

My Dear Sir,

A summary of the report was tabled in the Parliament in Septemebr 1963. The summary was prepared by then Cabinet Secretary (nothing less than that) . It was therefore a deliberate leak at the topmost level of the hierarchy.....

Read more about it :

www.idsa.in/system/files/K.Subrahmayam'sBook%2520Review.pdf+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk]NEVILLE MAXWELL'S WA R"[/url]


http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...hmayam'sBook%20Review.pdf+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk


Quoted as below :
The summary of the conclusions of the report, which was placed on

the Table of the House in September 1963, was believed to have been

prepared by the then Cabinet Secretary. The number of officers and

ofiicials having access to this report are, therefore, not more than a

dozen and among them those who had contacts with Maxwell are

even feWer. This is, therefore, a deliberate leakage at the top most

level of our Service or civilian bureaucracy. The country is entitled

to expect the Government to take action against the persons

concerned. A reading of the book will indicate that whatsoever be

the motivation of the concerned persons for this act of disloyalty,

their desire to have an impartial and fair account of the events

published cannot have inspired them.

 

[Bhadra]

I have got a proper refrence / link to the above now:

http://www.idsa.in/system/files/K.Subrahmayam'sBook Review.pdf

 

[Peter]

So finally we know the truth and it has set us free.I hope we never have another 1962 or any such reports.

 

[hit&run]

what? America and China started Bhai Bhai since 1970? Only in 1972 did Nixon visit China for nomarlization of ties while Vietnam war was still ongoing.

can u do any better in yr endeavour to discredit Maxwell book and Henderson report than distorting the timeline?

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Are you that Idiot or just pretending ? Pakistani started pimping you to USA way before 1972.

 

[amoy]

Are you that Idiot or just pretending ? Pakistani started pimping you to USA way before 1972.

pimping = bhai bhai ? u moron!

@mods pls discipline @hit&run for his abuses

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[hit&run]

Re: India BJP targets ruling party over China war report

Himalayas had always been the border between India and Tibet in History. India had no borders with China but you came uninvited and history will make you go back as always.

^^Amazing lines.

Hans are morally bankrupt like their Paki counterparts, no wonder they both think alike and are friends. Both have been trying to rewrite the history to cater their inferiority complexes. If you do not call them out they get strength and build propaganda upon their lies.

 

[hit&run]

pimping = bhai bhai ? u moron!

@mods pls discipline @hit&run for his abuses

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Absolutely Pakistan was pimping China to USA. Ask a Pakistani, they take proud in telling how they brought China and USA closer. And that never happened in a day or in a year, this is what Bhadra was trying to tell you.

 

[amoy]

Absolutely Pakistan was pimping China to USA. Ask a Pakistani, they take proud in telling how they brought China and USA closer.

@Bhadra reinvented history as America China already bhai bhai as early as 1970 when Maxwell released the book. but u pimping only at that time ! how then came bhai bhai then?

u fail to look straight to facts but resort to useless expletives!

I request @mods to bring @hit&run to his place so as to live up to DFI rules!




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[hit&run]

@Bhadra reinvented history as America China already bhai bhai as early as 1970 when Maxwell released the book. but u pimping only at that time ! how then came bhai bhai then?

u fail to look straight to facts but resort to useless expletives!

I request @mods to bring @hit&run to his place so as to live up to DFI rules!




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Countries like China do not make friends in days. Every good Historian would tell you how USSR was giving you Hans sleepless nights and how desperate you were to sleep with USA. Your apprehensions against USA were just pretensions of a good negotiator otherwise militarily you could have never afforded to mess with two hyper powers. USA was always an obvious choice of China. Thanks to pet like Pakistan (with whom you were signing many military deals/alliances) that the so called ice was broken between USA and China.

Bhadra is correct, it was in August 1969 when Nixon visited Pakistan where Yahya Khan offered his assistance to bring both the nations closer. It was effort of more than two years a.k.a. diplomatic pimping by all three sided, that Nixon finally visited China.

I can understand that these day Chinese are not able to digest Indian's foreign policy independence. You guys are not able to use usual slurs of India being pet of west, but we know this without any doubt that Chinese hide their their lies by calling others lairs.

Having said that, to continue with above discussion China sat in the lap of USA in 1972 is a reality and you can nitpick on me or anyone else, but your face savers blah blahs are just too ineffectual to change this fact.

 

[amoy]

@hit&run I hold yr "independent foreign policy " in high regards. I'm not nitpicking u but only asking u not to bitch DFI rules. look at what u've come up with, idiot, pimping， inferiority blah blah"¦ ? any substance in relevance to Henderson report or Maxwell book or the border spats ? r u able not to sidestep the thread subject "Henderson Brooks report"? or r u able to stop whoring as if this thread were on yr brothel biz?

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[hit&run]

@hit&run I hold yr "independent foreign policy " in high regards. I'm not nitpicking u but only asking u not to bitch DFI rules. look at what u've come up with, idiot, pimping， inferiority blah blah"¦ ? any substance in relevance to Henderson report or Maxwell book or the border spats ? r u able not to sidestep the thread subject "Henderson Brooks report"? or r u able to stop whoring as if this thread were on yr brothel biz?

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I don't know what is irking you more, my choice of words or you finding no other arguments for your own claims that USA and China were not bhai bhai ?

Don't go by diverse thoughts of Indian netizens, the Indian strategic thinkers and policy makers may not be out spoken for some good reasons but they know that USA is not China's enemy because China pose no threat to them and Pakistani ties with both USA and China will remain intact even at the cost of India.

My view on the book is nothing, but is my observation of Chinese cherry picking a western point of view they otherwise reject on China in any or every case. One word Chinese trolls have been picking is Nehru's forward policy which was rather invented by these pro China and pro west writers, which Chinese pretend was aggression on China and this has been debunked here time and again.

Furthermore if such reports are critical of Indian leadership, both political and military, then no one in India is surprised and there is nothing in China's advantage that you guys can feel proud of.

We have been critical of ourselves not because Chinese were able to perform exceptionally, rather It was India who lost the opportunity to teach you a lesson because of that moron Nehru who messed it up big time. Just after 5 year in 1967 and since that year till today the status quo has been maintained against the likes of rouge PLA who still hasn't recovered its lose of military objective of 1962 war.

 

[Ray]

Re: India BJP targets ruling party over China war report

Oh that General of the Generals also died under mysterious circumstances !!

Any conspiracy theory ??

do be good enough to trawl the newspapers and find the article and ask the author!