Haven’t become PM of India to redraw border: Manmohan Singh to Nawaz

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    Haven’t become PM of India to redraw border: Manmohan Singh to Nawaz Sharif - The Times of India
     
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    Re: Haven’t become PM of India to redraw border: Manmohan Singh to N

    The Indian government is suddenly having a tubelight "Aha" moment.
     
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    It seems MMS has just been released from Sonia's shackles to do some wonder and get UPA to power a second time. What a wet dream !!!
     
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    nah.... with the mounting attack of opposition on PMs pak policy and the general mood of the country since the beheading of our boys have put a lot of pressure on congress to defend itself and the PM ... and with election dates approaching u dont want a liability called MMS and his crap pak policy in your balance sheet...
     
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    keep a firm eye on this Pakjabi N Shariff - kargil took place during his time ...
    ...he allowed Musshy to go ahead with it although later he berated him for losing all resources

    and i suppose the lessons he learned in Kargil, he is now trying to apply in Keran ?

    secondly as a high up Pakjabi, i believe shariff is certainly in cahoots
    with his fellow pakjabis in the all-important isi
    i dont buy his story that the isi is beyond his control
    he played MMSingh in New york and orchestrated the heightened tensions
    and violations of the LOC following the meeting

    then he met with Obama to say ,
    "see what these indians are doing in Kashmir " !!

    but the US state dept didnt buy his story either
    IMHO they slapped him hard in the face
    Obama said he would NOT interfere in the Kashmir issue
    and a state dept spokesman said they would appreciate if pakistan
    would stop clandestinely supporting terrorism

    zardari was better - a bit more " sincere" - about peace ?

    keep an eye on this shariff - he will be up to something else after this
    we should seriously re-consider about selling that clown electricity
    it may not go to the people as they have claimed it would
    instead, he will use most of it to manufacture armaments against us
     
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    IMO if UPA again comes to power, I would like to see MMS as PM instead of Raul.
     
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    man u are very cruel... both to MMS and us... :rofl:
     
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    Haha. . . .cant help it :namaste:
     
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    Re: Haven’t become PM of India to redraw border: Manmohan Singh to N

    This sounds nice ...but can it be seen as anything more than a desperate bid to make mms look better ahead of the elections? Because the rahul strat kinda crashing pretty badly.
     
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    If I remember it well then PM Singh also had said something awkward to Zardari as-well. That was before the beheading episode I suppose.
    Then Pakistan had whined that PM Singh could have waited till journalists were cleared of the room before speaking in such terms.
    Whether his words are followed by action or not, but PM Singh in summit meeting with Pakistan does act in a fashion to put his counterpart in back-foot to negate him from taking any advantage of PM Singh's soft image that had been projected by opposition parties at home.

    EDIT:

    The statement as in the link below was after Mumbai terrorist attack.

    http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/11/pm-says-he-did-not-intend-to-hurt-zardari-feelings.htm
     
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    Re: Haven’t become PM of India to redraw border: Manmohan Singh to N

    There is a sudden image makeover of the PM happening, I wonder why?

    Anyway, the border deal between India and Bangladesh is indeed an attempt at redrawing the border of India, though the spin-offs from that are worth a discussion, but none the less, an attempt at redrawing the map!
     
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    Re: Haven’t become PM of India to redraw border: Manmohan Singh to N

    Does this mean India may attack Pakistan? :fu:
     
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    First statement from MMS showing him as a worthy PM.

    I think he is at his tethers end with Pakistan and its serialised deceit!
     
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    yup he did... after the Mumbai terror attack... but after that meeting IIRC there was a meeting at Sharm al sheikh in which PM completely sold us out when he allowed the joint statement to include indian involvement in Baluchistan ... when Mumbai attack so damn fresh in everyones mind...

    the so called back channel talks between him and Musharraf regarding Kashmir.. again a sell out...

    he has been firm when congress isnt able to defend his action otherwise he will sell us out for his trip to Gah ....
     
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    Please give equal credit of Sharm al sheikh fiasco to NSA S. S. Menon as-well.
     
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    all the peaceniks are to be blamed no doubt about it... but PM is the absolute power .. NSA cant bypass a PM ... so a larger share of the fiasco goes to MMS..
     
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    Re: Haven’t become PM of India to redraw border: Manmohan Singh to N

    Now he should also make the same statement against Chinese aggression in Arunachal Pradesh.
     
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    Re: Haven’t become PM of India to redraw border: Manmohan Singh to N

    MMS was always a good man, only in the wrong party.

    Maybe the latest Rahul nonsense spat finally broke the camel's back and MMS found his feet under him.

    If not for Cong, MMS could have been a good PM.
     
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    Yes, but I feel Sharm al sheikh joint statement which mentions Balochistan was a drafting error and decision error about what should find a place in the joint statement and what should be left out and whether whatever is included in content and language in line with country's policy.

    This job is a responsibility at secretary level and to be vetted by NSA.(in my opinion) If that job becomes a personal responsibility of PM then, god save him.

    Though there is no denying factor that responsibility lies with PM.

    My piece is a consideration between responsibility and practicality.

    If for example:

    The statement on Balochistan in the joint statement was as follows

    India, Pak issue joint statement on bilateral relations - Indian Express

    Were to be added with another statement that

    India denied any role in destabilizing Balochistan or that no constructive evidence has been provided.

    So, though it was a fiasco but, the allegations that later came out of Pakistan with mis-information that India has accepted meddling in Balochistan ( which as not as mentioning during summit meeting is not acceptance) was not effectively countered which was the real debacle.
     
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    PM HOME AND ABROAD

    Perceptions can be misleading. Going by perceptions within India at the present moment, the rating of Manmohan Singh as prime minister of India will be low. He is perceived as weak, indecisive, inarticulate and often unable to take prompt action against corrupt ministers. Contrast this with perceptions about him among leaders abroad. He is seen as sage-like, as a source of good sense, and as a man with a vision. Whatever may be history’s verdict on Mr Singh as prime minister, there can be little doubt that he will be seen as India’s most successful foreign minister. This may appear to be a back-handed compliment and almost paradoxical but it is an assessment based on facts. In foreign affairs, Mr Singh first made his mark — and the mark is indelible — in his handling of India’s relationship with the United States of America and in the manner in which he steered the nuclear deal. It earned him a few brickbats from predictable quarters but it also revealed to his critics, and even to some of his admirers, an unknown steely side of the prime minister. Throughout the tortuous negotiations of the Indo-US nuclear treaty, Mr Singh held his nerve and conveyed to the US leadership and therefore to the world that India was a responsible power that could be trusted.

    Subsequently, Mr Singh has shown similar resilience in his dealings with Pakistan. In spite of serious provocations, Mr Singh has refused to surrender the position that India should continue to talk to Pakistan without in any way putting India’s national security in jeopardy. It has been a thankless pursuit but he has not allowed jingoism to overwhelm him. More recently, Mr Singh has partially broken the deadlock with China and by the respect he earned in Russia demonstrated that India is not as pronouncedly pro-US as some people would like to aver.

    Anyone who knows about diplomacy and foreign policy is aware that progress in these fields is incremental, never dramatic. The major part of the work is invariably invisible, done behind closed doors. Seasoned mandarins sitting across tables carry out hard-nosed bargains and negotiations. But behind such parleys there is always a guiding vision. That vision comes from the prime minister, in the present context from Mr Singh. It does not require any insider knowledge to infer that Mr Singh must have informed his officials about his priorities and about his overall vision regarding India’s place in the world. Only then could the mandarins proceed. It is a collective achievement that would not have been possible without Mr Singh’s guiding hand and mind.

    Mr Singh has been an almost perfect finance minister; his success in foreign affairs is noteworthy. If only he could exert a similar dominance in internal affairs his place in India’s history books would be assured.

    The Telegraph - Archives
     
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