Hate Crime

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  1. W.G.Ewald

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    Former Rutgers student convicted in webcam case - Yahoo! News

    The defendant would have had a lesser sentence imposed if he had murdered his roommate.
     
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    Mr. Ravi had the chance for a plea deal to avoid jail time but he wanted a jury trial instead. He will probably get a few years in jail along with probation and community service. He will find employment hard to get with a felony conviction.
     
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    The plea deal offered was for community service. How his lawyer let him go to a jury is hard to understand. Now he faces 10 years,
     
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    Homosexuality is a concept I have always found difficult to appreciate.

    One should, however, respect others' privacy. Mr. Dharun Ravi should know better now, that it is a great idea to mind one's own business. The idea of setting up webcams is, even as a prank, sick, and reeks of voyeurism.

    In this particular case, I doubt Mr. Ravi's action was at all a provocation to commit suicide. It is not a culpable homicide in my opinion, however, I do not know the details. If homosexuality was socially acceptable in the US, why did Mr. Tyler Clementi commit suicide? I am speculating it was out of shame and homosexuality is still frowned upon in the US. People are polite and appear to be tolerant does not mean they like it.

    One definitely feels sorry for Mr. Clemeti's parents. First they had to deal with a homosexual son, and now, his death. Life can be very painful at times.
     
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    In dishing out punishments the courts always look at the intention of culprit. I highly doubt he wanted the other guy to commit suicide.

    It was a bad prank gone wrong. A year or two at max should be the jail term imo.
     
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    Just trying to understand what happened. A teenager committed suicide because someone exposed him on internet to be a homosexual?
     
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    The chap who committed suicide must have been a real sensitive chap.

    Homosexuals, especially the passive variety tend to be highly sensitive or so some reports state.

    Maybe that is what made the chap incapable of handling the situation and so, he took the extreme step!

    Why should anyone pry on someone else's private moments?
     
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    As far as I know, the death by suicide did not enter into the prosecutor's case, but rather "bias intimidation based on sexual orientation, a hate crime."
     
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    That kid is really stupid to do such a thing. May be they did not get along well as room mates and this guy took his revenge but either way 10years for a kid being stupid is to much?

    In retrospect it looks harmless what he did, he went into his room and his room mate was haveing sex with a guy and he turned on the cam and left. Clearly this kid was stupid but 10yrs is to much.
     
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    @WG.Ewald, you where the one who was saying Homosexuality should not be legal and it causes disease, suddenly you are the one to bring up the hate crime against Gays! Your intent is Fishy!! :notsure:
     
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    Maybe.

    I posted the article here because:

    1. the defendant rejected a plea deal for community service, which I thought was odd, and

    2. the defendant will be deported back to India after his prison sentence even though he has lived in the US since age 7. That too seems remarkable.
     
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    You need to understand GK that there are different things, hate and lack of... I do not know how to name it in eglish correctly... acceptance.

    For example, mostly heterosexual people tend to keep their sexuality and sexual interests as private things, left in their bedroom, however homosexuals use their orientation, sexual interests as political agenda to promote homosexuality in a way that is just... abomination of human sexuality, just look at these so called love parades, disgusting.

    So not being homophobe, people still can criticize homosexual circles for what they are doing, and be honest, normal people with homosexual orientation have such not different situation thanks to these homosexual circles with hidden political agenda (read steal money from other citizens in form of different stupid initiatives for so called "tollerance for homosexuals" actions).

    Of course person that did this should be punished for being an idiot, from what I see this homosexual was preatty much normal, he left his sexual prefferences in his bedroom so there was no real reason to criticize him, at least from what we know.
     
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    Politics is a tool for social change, so if they do politicize it then they are asking for better understanding from society.Its either that or Gays with guns, if that sounds funny then they are a harmless bunch. The fact is homosexuality or being homosexual in society causes huge psychological problems like deep shyness, social phobia or fear of being judged etc., So people live terrified lives in shame, should any one live in shame?

    Not to mention they also face social ostracisation from colleagues or with family and friends, Homosexuality still has a huge negative tag, till that goes away their political fight should continue. These are all things worth fighting against.

    LGBT parades are very similar to slut walks, where women seek equality against discriminatory words. If such parades scare you or disgust you, then are you afraid you will convert to homosexuality? If not then what is the fear?
     
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    I support the victim in this case Ravi has no Fu(|<!ng business to post publicly any ones private moments, But i dont think Ravi would have expected any thing like a suicide from his room mate. And 10 yrs is little to much i guess. may be 3yrs :confused:
     
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    I think You still not understand, homosexuals are with from the begining of humanity, and never were really ostracized, the reason why they are recently ostracizied is that not needed fight for... nothing in reality.

    I'am not affraid, I'am disgusted see the difference?

    If any gay would even attempt to convert me I would slap him in a face and give him good kick in his fat and ugly ass. ;)
     
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    No homosexuality still is looked down on, the words like Homo, gay, faggot are not really like the word Hetro or women's man. So homosexual men face a lot of psychological pain.
    Anger is just fear with an attitude, moreover most homophobes are actually closet gays. In a study 80% of Homophobic men who where made to watch gay porn had an erection. Term like fat and ugly only makes it sound like ur trying to desperately create an negative image of gays so you makes sure you wont like them. lol...What if he was slim, smooth and had a bubble butt? whould you like it..LMAO.

    The fact that they r disgusting to u is exactly what slut walks and LGBT marches supposed to do. To desensatise you to them.
     
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    He would have been required to serve probation, perform 600 hours of community service and undergo counseling, but he also would have been offered state assistance if federal officials pursued deportation. Dharun was given a good deal but he decided he could beat the charges with a jury trial. If Dharun had a good lawyer he could have beaten most of the charges. His lawyer was abrasive and very annoying, even the judge was not impressed by his conduct in the courtroom. Now it's up to the judge to find the appropriate punishment for Dharun. One thing is for sure is that he will be deported after he serves jail time. The LGBT community will make sure he is deported.
     
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    This their problem, they call themselfs gay, and in the same time they feel pain because of it... strange.

    And I was thinking that using irony is understandable, You get it, I used irony by using italic, You get it?

    If any gay would even attempt to convert me I would slap him in a face and give him good kick in his fat and ugly ass. = irony, not being serious.
     
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    Seriously, is that a joke? That a pretty circular and vain argument. if people call themselves gay they cant feel pain? What is that even supposed to mean?

    Let me explain, Some time people lash out against their shyness it even happens in metal culture like with Marlin Manson, he said he wears make up because he was very shy man and to over come it in his own way he used disgusting goth make up, he lashed out against society in a rebellious way in-order to get over society. Off-course not all gay men are shy or have problems, some even marry and live in closet. The whole idea here is to make it acceptable to be who they are.



    Did you mean sarcasm? It would be ironical if you where gay and slapped a gay man for being gay, that is called irony, do you get that? Because there is no irony in this..Moreover irony is not humor!:rolleyes:
     
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    Read Your own post, they call theirselfs gay, and in the same time they feel bad when someone calls them... gay.

    So I need to feel sorry for them, and I do not have right to criticize this or that related to their... circles? Freedom of speech indeed.

    You got me here, yeah it would be more proper to call it sarcasm.
     

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