Has Indian Diplomacy failed at Chinese Front ?

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Has Indian Diplomacy failed at Chinese front ?

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  1. Hiranyaksha

    Hiranyaksha Regular Member

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    Posted by Sonalee Borgohain
    Beijing, March 17, 2017 | UPDATED 11:25 IST

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...amming-indias-missile-programme/1/906070.html

    This comes barely months after Beijing blasted India's development of ballistic missiles and slammed the fourth test of Agni V as a violation of UN Security Council resolutions.

    China and Pakistan have discussed co-producing ballistic missiles and advanced military aircraft as the new Pakistani Army Chief made his first visit to China, State media reported.

    This comes barely months after Beijing blasted India's development of ballistic missiles and slammed the fourth test of Agni V as a violation of UN Security Council resolutions.

    After the Agni test Beijing invoked the 1998 UN Security Council Resolution 1172, a non-binding resolution that called on India and Pakistan, after their nuclear tests, to also cease tests of ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads


    However, on Thursday Chinese media said "China's authorisation to Pakistan to produce ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, anti-ship missiles and main battle tanks in Pakistan" was on the agenda as the Pakistani Army Chief visited Beijing.

    TALKS OVER VARIOUS WEAPON EXCHANGES

    Song Zhongping, a former officer of the PLA Second Artillery Corps (now renamed the PLA Rocket Force), told the Global Times, a tabloid published by the People's Daily, that other weapon exchanges would be discussed besides missiles, including the "mass production of FC-1 Xiaolong, a lightweight and multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by the two countries".

    On Thursday, Pakistan Army Chief Qamar Javed Bajwa met top PLA officials including Vice Chairman of the Central Military Commission General Fan Changlong, General Fang Fenghui, chief of the Joint Staff Department, and Army Commander General Li Zuocheng.

    Unusually for a military chief, he also met Politburo Standing Committee member Zhang Gaoli, the seventh-ranked leader.

    Sources said this underlined the political support to push the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, which China has billed as a flagship project of Xi Jinping's pet One Belt, One Road initiative.

    BOTH PARTIES DISCUSS ANTI-TERRORISM COOPERATION

    The Pakistani Army Chief pledged to protect Chinese personnel and projects in the CPEC. Shortly after taking over in November, Bajwa visited the special security division of 15,000 troops being raised by Pakistan to protect the CPEC and spoke of "hostile" forces against the project.

    On Thursday, both sides also discussed "anti-terrorism cooperation at the meeting, vowing to resolutely strike against terrorist forces including the East Turkestan Islamic Movement".

    "Pakistan's military is willing to deepen the cooperation with the Chinese army and fully support the Quadrilateral Cooperation and Coordination Mechanism in Counter Terrorism by Afghanistan-China-Pakistan-Tajikistan Armed Forces," Bajwa said.

    Also:
    China makes fresh 'Belt and Road Initiative' pitch to India
     
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  3. Hiranyaksha

    Hiranyaksha Regular Member

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    R.A.N.D.I. strikes again.

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  5. Tarun Kumar

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    My prediction is that China will be the lynchpin of the coming Eurasian alliance which will consist of the united muslim caliphate , chinese communist party and a totalitarian russia. This alliance will most certainly be formalized if and when India and pakistan go to war (if for example terrorists attack Modi or Indian leaders) and Pakistan will receive full support from united muslim block. Ultimately this alliance will trigger the WW3 and most certainly destroy Israel, Europe and US and conquer large parts of India. The CCP is an incredibly corrupt and evil force which will finally be defeated once Russia breaks free of this alliance and turns against China finally defeating it at end of WW3. India will be at war with islamic nations for decades and will ultimately prevail. We are all in for a very rough ride in the coming decades and WW3 is certain.
     
  6. Hiranyaksha

    Hiranyaksha Regular Member

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    Other side of the story:

    Historically we never had any problem with gaint,China, on our eastern border. China is India's biggest trading partner and China has extended OBOR initiative to India and its other neighbouring countries.

    Population of West Bengal alone is 90 million and what India has to offer to the world is much more than remains of Pakistan. Yet we have failed to Indulge to much greater extent.

    http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.c...Belt,-One-Road-comes-calling:-Padma-crossings

    http://oborwatch.org/great-opportunity-for-bangladesh/

    http://oborwatch.org/one-belt-one-road-comes-calling-padma-crossings/

    http://oborwatch.org/category/bangladesh-china-india-myanmar-economic-corridor/

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    Having said that, with the recent developments , both Pakistan and China have upped the ante for India.
    We, Indians, are in no position to tackle China head on on any front. This has been quite obvious with recent Indian attempt to declare Pakistan Terrorist State, curb Jaish and others.

    Question pertains how should we go forward from here.
     
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    HariPrasad-1 Senior Member Senior Member

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    We have seen a systematic demolition of china's policy of string of pearls. UPA government had a plan to counter china strategy by expensive iron curtain policy which is nothing but building massive naval power to counter china. However, in 2014 superman NAMO came to power and practiced act east policy and wiped out chinese influence to a large extent from Bangladesh , Srilank and Maldive and put china on back foot by building ties with South china sea nation and strengthening Indian defense in vulnerable areas. Modi demolished chinese string of pearl strategy merely with his diplomacy. Now china is finding it difficult to match India's strategic advantage which has a great advantage because of proximity of their population to Border areas. Putting Brahmos in Aruchanal pradesh and sending T 72 regiment to Ladakh has given china a clear signal. With few strikes of Brahmos, India is now in a position to wipe out Chinese war infrastructure in Tibet. India is now petroling the Bay of Bengal with spy planes purchased from US. India US and Japan are planning to put sensor in bay of Bengal to monitor chinese ships and submarines.

    India has signed Logistic support agreement with US and joint plan to petrol Indian ocean and agreement to share Intelligence information has hit a hard blow to china. India has tied up with Japan and vietnam and has caused a great concern to china is south china sea. China is on back foot today and it is no more offensive to India. Infact, china is more than willing to resolve border dispute with India but now NAMO is in no mood to let go anything. India is building pressure.

    CPEC inspite of massive investment is not moving ahead and it is becoming costly and costly.Frustrated china has offered India a partnership in CPEC but India has not responded. Annoyed china is trying to counter India by supporting terrorist Masoon Azahar and blocking Indian entry in NSG. Modi has stuck to his diplomacy and counters china with cold blood. China has no clue how to handle Modi. A china which used to threatens India every alternate day is finding ways to resolve Issues with India. Earlier China had build pressure on India in Aruchanal pradesh and Ladakh but now India is building pressure in these area by moving her troops and in these area and by activating air strips. China is very very frustrated with India's move to Deploy Brahmos in Aruchanal pradesh border and Chinese daily has said that it way more than India's legitimate security requirement. India is now all set to give china a defeating reply in Arunachal prades , Ladakh and in Indian ocean and annoy china in south china sea with the help of Vietnam, US and Japan.

    The change in India's china policy has witness a paradigm shift post 2014 may. China must be repenting why they did not resolve issues in the era of old weak government. Now china will have to offer a lot more to resolve the issues with India than perhaps they would have to offered in Monmohan government time. India's (Modi's) China policy is a big success and it has made china reconsider its India policy. Modi has given a clear massage that you can not bully us and hegemonic attitude towards India will not work. There is difference of Sky to sea bed between the policy of India towards china in Manmohan era and Modi era. Modi's china policy is a policy from the position of strength and not from the position of weakness. Modi's china policy is a classical example of how the things can change with leadership.

    While china used to intrude in India and that helpless Salman Khurshid used to travel to china to request them to withdraw her troops by offering so many concession like removing the bunkers. Some time ago china build a tower in Indian territory and Indian forces demolished it without any warning. Those frequent intrusion has stopped now. Modi gave a clear massage in Chamur by sending special forces to counter china in case they do not withdraw at the time of Xi's visit to India. This gave china a massage of changed mood of India. Bloody modi's India is not an India of Gandhis. Modi diplomacy is doing exactly that which was intended.

    My post is in response to Thread title and not the content of OP
     
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  8. Screambowl

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    Most of the Muslim world is already gone. What remains is bunch of sheikhs having a lot of money. Who are close to US.

    The Shia Sunni conflict will not let it happen as Saudi Arabia has come so far now that there is point of no return.
     
  9. Tarun Kumar

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    I dont buy that. I know it sounds corny but the prophecies of all great religions (including Vysya's prediction of fall of vedic civilization and arrival of kalki) are coming true. Muslim world currently is weak and divided but if a nuclear war breaks out between India and Pak, the horror of burning cities in an islamic land will propell all muslim states to rally around pakistan and china is already with pakistan. This alliance of muslim states to help pakistan will be start of caliphate. And no doubt we will loose initial phase of war (although pakis will be destroyed) but come back stronger under a powerful ruler who has been prophecised to come from India and will end the WW3. The coming decades will be an age of tremendous sorrow, I am afraid as blood and gore reign.
     
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    Bornubus Dogra Rule 1846-1949 Senior Member

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    :lol: Bhai 13 Baar likha ek bar or likho. 13 number acha nahin hota.
     
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    Unfortunately, we can not edit post on IDF after 1/2 of an hour. Next time, I will take care.
     
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    Bornubus Dogra Rule 1846-1949 Senior Member

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    Bhai I was Just kidding . Carry on.


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    Harwa dia tumne 2019 mein modi ko..

    And arvind khujli ban gaya PM
     
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    UN support for China project passing through PoK puts India’s claim in jeopardy

    Updated: Mar 18, 2017 23:53 IST
    Sutirtho Patranobis
    Hindustan Times, Beijing


    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...in-jeopardy/story-k6isroFAMdnlA6NtX4nPKN.html


    A UN Security Council resolution has for the first time incorporated China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), a multi-billion inter-continental connectivity mission that has a flagship project passing through Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK).

    The resolution, which extends an ongoing UN assistance mission to Afghanistan, says international efforts should be strengthened to implement the BRI, President Xi Jinping’s legacy project about which he first spoke in 2013.

    Beijing claims it has rounded up at least 100 countries in BRI’s support, including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

    India is yet to sign up for the initiative. Foreign secretary S Jaishankar spelt it out to the Chinese government in February that India has a “sovereignty” issue with the BRI because its flagship project, the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), passes through PoK. According to diplomats, India endorsing the BRI would mean giving up its claims on PoK.

    The UN endorsing the BRI could complicate the situation as far as India’s claims are concerned.

    The resolution in question renewed the mandate of the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan for one year. In it, the 15-nation UN body urged to promote security and stability in Afghanistan and the region “to create a community of shared future for mankind”.

    “Also included in the newly adopted council resolution was China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which aims to build a trade and infrastructure network connecting Asia with Europe and Africa along the ancient trade routes,” official news agency Xinhua reported.

    The resolution “welcomes and urges further efforts to strengthen the process of regional economic cooperation, including measures to facilitate regional connectivity, trade and transit, including through regional development initiatives such as the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st-Century Maritime Silk Road (the Belt and Road) Initiative”.

    The council resolution urged “further international efforts to strengthen regional cooperation and implement the Belt and Road Initiative”.

    Besides the BRI, the resolution also mentions other projects like “regional development projects, such as the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project, the Central Asia South Asia Electricity Transmission and Trade Project, the Chabahar port project agreed between Afghanistan, India and the Islamic Republic of lran”.

    China has taken the inclusion of BRI in a UN resolution as a diplomatic victory of sorts.

    Liu Jieyi, the Chinese permanent representative to the UN, told reporters here that the “Chinese concept was put into a Security Council resolution for the first time on Friday, thus showing the consensus of the international community on embracing the concept, and manifesting huge Chinese contributions to the global governance”.

    “The Chinese envoy said that latest council move is conducive to creating a favourable atmosphere for China to host a Belt and Road forum for international cooperation in Beijing this May in order to brainstorm on interconnected development,” Xinhua reported.

    Liu also said he hoped that all “UN member states will take an active part in the joint efforts to carry out the Chinese initiative and the Chinese concept by implementing the new council resolution. Resolutions adopted by the Security Council are legally binding”.
     

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