Has DRDO never been given a proper chance?

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  1. SPIEZ

    SPIEZ Senior Member Senior Member

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    There is a recent news that the IA is changing nearly 60,000 assault rifles. This at a time when there are 60,000 INSAS rifles or even more in active service.

    INSAS was believed to be tailored around the needs of front line forces. INSAS also had some foreign exports including Nepal and Oman. Given it might be diplomatic pressure that forced the purchase, why not exert the same on IA?

    INSAS on it's part has also had some problems, but nothing that wasn't fixed. Given rifles like M4 and M16 have had a host of problems, however the soldiers are still fighting wars. Take for instance the British rifle SA80, it too came with a host of problems. However an external consultant H&K was chosen to resolve the issue.

    Why isn't the INSAS been given the same chance?

    The highly successful ARJUN has also not seen any enthusiasm from it's end users.

    All this forces the question, is DRDO really a failure?
    Do Indian forces not want indigenous weapons?
    Is there a pupose more than meeting the eye in the purchase of weapons?
     
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    Failure of the M16 and it's carbine.

    http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/how-reliable-is-the-m-16-rifle/
     
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    Not confint to this thread alone.

    DRDO has been given more than a fair share of money, political patronage to including saddling the defence with not satisfactory weapon systems.

    What more is to be done?

    Who does not want an indigenous weapon?

    War means lives lost.

    No one would want to lose out because weapons and ammunition were not available because it was from foreign sources and there was a sanction.

    India faced that issue during Kargil over Bofor ammunition.

    No one wants to die and let that not be doubted, and what they sure don't want is that they were left high and dry because the weapon and ammunition were imported and imports were not feasible for whatever reason.

    A soldier's life is important and if soldiers know that they have to die for no fault of theirs, then people will not join the armed forces.
     
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  5. venkat

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    spiez!!! The problem is "Made in India " label stinks as our mind set is thoroughly sodomized with phoren maal is always good!!! We don't anymore have the greats like Walchand hiranchand,Homi bhabha,Vikram sarabhai etc...one of my friends wanted to replace a 1$ part with an alternate part as the phoren manufactrer was demanding a fortune for the same. The sarkari babu baboons who are empowered with authorization of such replacements ,threatened my friend to desist from such activities, if the phoren company comes to know about it , you will be sued.... There are rascals among us who are protecting the interests of phoreners.!!! We lack the will and self confidence to ferociously defend our desi products.
     
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    Made in India label does not stink.

    The wireless set are all Made in India and are damn good.

    There are many things which are Made In India which are good and are used with great gusto.

    But if someone want junk to be accepted because of the label Made in India, then that is a wee bit scary since in war, flaunting duds because it is Made in India and dying thereof is a bit too much of patriotism to be expected from the rank and file of armed forces.

    Have the ships which are Made in India been rejected?

    What is okay and what are not mere duds will always be welcomed and even embraced.
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah it is true that DRDO has given its chance, but it is also true that cost of INSAS compare to the modern assault rifle needs to be compared. Plus no foreigner will make weapons which will be as per our conditions without doing day light robbery. I dont need to mention what is going on in tank department and how Russians are robbing us with T90.
     
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    We do not get to choose what weapons our soldiers carry.

    I believe even the soldiers do not get the chance to choose what weapons they carry.

    It all rests on the hands of a few, very few.

    Maybe, the marketing arm of the DRDO, if any exists in the first place, does not work so good. Maybe they NEED TO DO THE NEEDFUL to get their products to sell.

    Overall our babus make sure DRDO is such a waste of public money
     
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    Shame on the DRDO for not able to develop a good gun for such a long time and are still allowing the defence forces to buy a gun from foreign countries and also trying to get TOT for other big guns. Can't they develop their own equipment rather than trying for TOT...........
     
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    They did develop a gun. I wouldn't say it was good.

    It managed 60,000 orders in it's home army.

    It found buyers abroad. If it wasn't good how an it be bought abroad?
     
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    Then why reject it now saying that it is of no use............
     
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    It is not rejected. It was purchased.

    It is now being phased out or upgraded.

    For reasons God only knows.
     
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    60,000 Guns is not a huge order for Indian armed forces.
     
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    Guns depend on threat analysis, ammunition availablity etc.
    The guns, INSAS, were AFAIK purchased as replacement of FN FAL.

    However, this 60,000 is the same amount of guns that I believe IA will be purchasing.
     
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    singh check the cost of these guns

     
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    Compared with that the INSAS costs just 35,00 a piece.

    Were any reasons stated on why the rifles are being phased out?
     
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    I think the Reporter misunderstood 1 billion rupees as 1 billion dollars.
     
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    Dual - calibre rifles. Maybe we have huge reserves of ammo.
     
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    INSAS in Army alone is more than a Million then we have TA /IAF / IN too, Then comes the police, Paramilitary ...

    Rest is on one`s calculation and imagination about the quantity we are talking about..
     
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    INSAS is a one good Rifle ( 1B1 ) that do not need replacement rather up-gradation as per need..

    What ever Rifles we will get are in many ways degraded than INSAS except Galil ACE which is more or less same as INSAS but Israeli Updated it and we didn't..
     
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