HAL Trainer Development Throttles Up

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  1. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    It's been a rough couple of weeks for HAL. Then again, they deserve a kick in the rear every now and then. Their well-known scrap with the IAF chief apart, the company is depending on the MoD, its parent government ministry, to ensure that its trainer programme doesn't go to waste. Sure enough, the development programme powers on with the supreme confidence of one that has assured orders at the end. And hopefully it will.

    Rest in the Source : http://www.livefistdefence.com/2013/08/scrap-with-iaf-aside-hal-trainer.html
     
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    HAL has not been able to earn IAF trust and that is the main issue here, otherwise IAF could have made some adjustments here and there... HAL must follow the GOLDEN rule of "Under promise and over deliver"...
     
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    You can earn the trust of only those who want to believe in you, how can you win the trust of a person who is sold out to foreigners for want of bribes.
     
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    Yes the bribes are a biggest problems we face, BUT still I would argue that if the DRDO / HAL has mamaged the projects properly in a professional manner they would have been in a better position as they find nowdays...
     
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    Four crucial years were lost begining 2009 when the PSQRs were suddenly changed to suit an existing platform forcing HAL to stop work. Imagine if HAL had continued the work, they wud have also supplied the trainer this year.
     
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    I find it very depressing to read your post… not only it would have saved Billions of Dollars apart from the fact the aircraft will be indigenous ... GOD know what is MOD is doing then, especially big mouth Saint Antony.. HAL has a very strong case here I would say...
     
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    The interesting, and sad, part is that Prof Prodyut Das a controversial aeronautical maverick has written an article in a recent issue of Vayu arguing that there could have been many easily correctable reasons for the HPT 32 engine stoppages which were not even looked at before junking the aircraft I will try and locate the article and post the gist of it.
     
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    http://www.spsaviation.net/exclusive/?id=250&h=HAL-pushes-HTT-40-as-light-attack-platform
     
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    All over the world, the armed forces are trying to find ways to speed up training by using more of simulators and less of actual flight time. This includes using less number of training ac types and compressed syllabus using multi purpose ac.
    IAF is the only stupid and idiotic airforce in the world which has four stage training. Pilatus-HJT-36 Sitara-Hawk- Final sqn ac. AND the worst part is that the selection of pilots for Fighters/Transports/helos takes place after the Hawk stage.
    This can be easily reduced to two stages based on what IN found. The two stages are, HTT-40 for complete training of nearly 180 hrs which used to be in my time on Kirans only including weapon training to chose the best guys for each stream. The pilots seleceted for Helos and transport stream will join the second stage for those streams on Cheetal or Saras. Hawk training for just those who are selected for Fighters. teaching them complete tactics about every ac of IAF followed by sqn postings. That will reduce the time and effort for training pilots. You may be shocked to know that in early eighties the rift between IAF and IN became so bad that IN had its pilots trained by flying clubs just to tell IAF that they are nothing but bullshit and hot air with lot of force like a fart and IN has no regards for them. The effect was so strong that IAF gave seats for training on demand to IN in AFA. As it had the potential to completely state that whatever IAF was claiming by creating a separate Training command was stupid. AND IN DID GET OVER 100 PILOTS TRAINED FROM FLYING SCHOOLS WHO ROSE TO BECOME ADMIRALS.
     
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    HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    While the Defence Ministry ponders over the IAF’s recommendation that the HTT-40 basic trainer project be foreclosed, HAL is fighting back. At a recent annual general meeting of the Aeronautical Society of India, which includes influential voices from the veteran communities of the IAF and aerospace industry, HAL sought to project the HTT-40 trainer effort as a possible light attack platform.

    Deputy Project Manager Prashant Bhadoria informed the audience, “The trainers of today cannot only be deployed for basic training to ab initio pilots but have also undergone systems and weapons upgradation to include functionality of fourth generation fighter aircraft. This enables them to double up as light attack and reconnaissance aircraft. A significant amount of systems training to be provided at the intermediate and advanced phase of training can be covered by the basic trainer itself, leading to enormous reduction of cost and platform fatigue.” HAL, incidentally, is also seeking to weaponise the intermediate jet trainer HJT-36 Sitara with gun-pods. The company recently said in a statement, “The matter is before the competent authorities and there are no comments to offer on this subject in particular. HAL continues to whole heartedly support the progress of Indian Air Force and highly values its relationship with IAF.”

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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    It should be developed something like attack a/c Ex A-10 thunderbolt
     
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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    There is no requirement given by IAF ..

    They would rather import ..

     
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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    This step is towards export of this aircraft, Many countries are looking for cheap CAS platforms ..

    It is also possible IA may procure some of these ..
     
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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    We should stop importing.. Already our economy is dumb poor...
    given Couple of Guns to HTT-40 makes it lethal..attack aircraft...Its not a robotic technology.. it is simple
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    Not exactly like this.. but modifications should be done modern
     
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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    In our robotics course, we had to solve problems using Denavit-Hartenberg Parameters. One of the subjects was an airplane landing gear.
     
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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    better use it as unmanned aircraft with light attack capabilities.
     
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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    UAV have there own issues, Like the Reaper, made by General Atomics, can cost $10m or more, depending on its bells and whistles. On top of that, a single drone can require a team of more than 20 people on the ground to support it, plus satellite communications. A manned turboprop can bomb an insurgent for a third of the cost of using a drone, according to Pat Sullivan, the head of government sales at Cessna. And there are strategic considerations, too. Many countries’ armed forces rely on allies such as America for the expertise and satellite networks needed to run drones. Such allies can let you down in a pinch

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    Though UAV have there place ..

     
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    re: HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

    India will use HAWK trainer as a light attack aircraft

    That too after air superiority is achieved

    IAF alone will have more than 100 hawks

    HTT 40 has very limited capabilities

    Very small range ; very slow and very little weapon carrying capacity

    The HAL manager who made this statement was speaking to
    a totally UN INFORMED audience

    Hawk is much better than HTT 40
     

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