HAL Passenger Jets will Get a Global Profile

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  1. Indx TechStyle

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    BANGALORE: Hindustan Aeronautical Limited (HAL) will once again venture into producing a regional transport aircraft. A tender calling for
    foreign partners for the estimated Rs 7,000- crore project will be floated early next year, to produce a 60-80-seater passenger aircraft.
    The project will be undertaken by a consortium of Indian and global partners on a risk reward model.
    As per the assessment of civil aviation markets in India, there is a need for 200 passenger jet aircraft in India in the next five years, mostly for smaller domestic routes." As the aeronautical ecosystem in India is yet to mature, especially when it comes to dependency on engines, we will finalize our approach on cooperation with
    partners soon," said T Suvarna Raju, chairman and managing director, HAL.
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    The emphasis on global partnership will be engine production."If a passenger aircraft has to be economical, the engine is crucial. So we may co-develop a futuristic, green engine with global partners," he said.
    National Aerospace Laboratories and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd jointly planned to get partners for the production of transport aircraft RTA-70, however, the project did not take off. He added that the project `has no life further'. Raju said developing an indigenous engine would be a priority in the next 25 years. "HAL developed the first engine (3.73 kN) for UAV Lakshya.
    GTRE is working on the Kaveri engine which is one 80kN class. So we are concentrating on a 25kN engine, which is used for trainer aircraft and business jets," he said.
    HAL will also double production capacity of the LCA from eight aircraft per year to 16, in anticipation of the 108 aircraft order, at Rs 2,100 crore. Half the cost will be borne by HAL and the remaining funded by the Indian Air Force and Navy.
     
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    The same old problem with innovation in India. Once Scientists and Engineers get a chance to make a foreign partnership they jump with joy and ask foreigners to come in. This may fulfil short term goals but in long term our ecosystem is affected. Just look what is happening with our Flagship projects like Arjun and Tejas they are made up of about 60 to 70% imported stuff, have swallowed billion of dollars and yet are not fully ready..
    I am not saying we should try to develop 'each and everything' on our own, but certain flagship projects like our first commercial plane India Regional Jet(IRJ), should at least have an indigenous tag. If China and Brazil can do this of course we too can.
    Look at our Atomic Bomb plans, missile development plans and ISRO. We were forbidden to discuss these with foreign countries thanks to USA but slowly we developed so many indigenous technologies in these areas that in these fields we 'earned' joint ventures like the BrahMos.
    According to me we should lay a very solid indigenous foundation in every key fields and then go out to discuss making products with global profile. :dharma:
     
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    first at least have a working model then dream about getting a "global profile" :blah:
     
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    Well, NAL Saras is good demonstrater of technology. If regional jets can be fully operational in AI, they will simply get global profile with export order. Because small countries will like to buy our low cost aircrafts instead of costly US and Russian ones.
    We will also get edge in building indigenous military transport and cargo aircrafts. China is doing the same.
     
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    Exactly...................................................... :laugh:
    No need of linking up with foreign companies at starting phase.
     
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    all that sounds great but an agency who is developing saras platform since last 18 years and dint even do a dozen test flights you think they can over come all the obstacles just like that wake up buddy ... HAL/ARDE/ADA hum jaise mujib e watan hindustanio ko patriotism ka chooran bech rahe hain baki what ever they say is bull excreta till they produce some facts to proove there worth .
     
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    well HAL has developed Dhruv, LCH and Rudra. Has done successful production of Mig 21, Sukhoi 30, Cheetah, Cheetal and Chetak and will sooon be doing of Ka 226 and Tejas.
     
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    True that!
    I see that we take time in building platforms and keep making successors of it. But same thing is not happening in our planes.
     
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    great work no dought but making passenger jets is another story WTF we had to buy brazilian jets for DRDO AWACS what on earth these dodos had been doing all this while so i dont buy this theory of "we shall/will make blah blah" so easyli now
     
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    HAL hawks Dornier 228s for connecting non-metro routes



    State-run defence aircraft maker Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) may start selling planes for civilian use in India.


    HAL has so far been producing 19-seater Dornier 228 planes for the Indian Air Force and the Coast Guard and exporting it to other countries.


    It has sought the permission of the civil aviation regulator Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) to sell these planes to domestic airlines.


    “The application was submitted (a) few months back and the certification process is on,” said a government official who declined to be named.

    HAL manufactures the Dornier 228 planes in Kanpur.

    “They have expressed interest if they can get some sort of a firm commitment (aircraft orders) for these planes. We are looking into it,” said a second government official, who also declined to be named.

    Dornier planes were being used widely by Vayudoot airline in the 1980s and ’90s to connect smaller cities such as Raebareli and Lucknow. Vayudoot was grounded in 1997.

    HAL has since made modifications to the plane and its equipment and it needs to go through a fresh certification process overseen by the DGCA.

    The history of the Dornier aircraft goes back to 1983, when India signed a licence-production and phased technology-transfer agreement with Germany’s Dornier GmbH.

    The agreement allowed HAL to set up a separate production line in India.

    The first aircraft was manufactured in 1985.

    By 2014, a total of 125 Dornier 228s had been produced in India. While the original production line in Germany was shut down in 1998, HAL continued to manufacture the planes in Kanpur and defence became the focus for the company.


    With the civil aviation ministry unveiling a new regional aviation policy, HAL sees huge potential for its planes.


    The new policy envisages giving subsidy on new routes started by airlines that are either not served or underserved.

    Under the new policy, airlines will be given a subsidy on some of the seats on such flights from a annual corpus of Rs.500 crore.

    “HAL is getting two Dornier 228s, which the company will make available to interested carriers to run regional flights,” a HAL spokesman said.

    HAL also said that it is keen to manufacture aircraft for regional operations with a larger seating capacity.

    A request for information was floated in April and six responses from global aircraft manufacturers have been received for partnerships.

    However, no time-frame has been set for the next step.

    In stakeholder consultations last month, the civil aviation ministry debated as to what kind of planes are likely to make commercial sense for regional flights.

    An expert said airlines need to do a cost-benefit analysis of the routes that Dornier planes can run profitably.

    “When Vayudoot operated the Dornier, they were losing money even if they had full occupancy on the Madras-Pondichery leg,” said Mohan Ranganathan, a Chennai-based analyst.

    “So, they have to figure out the ideal load factor and ideal trip length before venturing into this. The best way would be to get operating cost figures from airlines in Nepal, who have been using them widely.”


    http://www.livemint.com/Companies/x...nier-228s-for-connecting-nonmetro-routes.html
     
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