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Hawk I was rejected by IAF ..
Take a look at the dates and content of the sources posted, both yours and mine.

Feb 23, 2017

"We will not make any formal request for the Advanced Hawk to HAL, and the program will be officially shelved. This is because the MoD does not want [to] give additional orders for engines to tainted Rolls-Royce for the Advanced Hawk program," a senior IAF official said. "IAF has no intentions to place any order for the Advanced Hawk trainers."
Sep 20, 2017

Senior MBDA officials tell Livefist that the IAF is engaged in detailed discussions on a potential program that the company says will be a low-cost/time that involves modifications that can be conducted on site with kits in a ‘matter of days’.

Arming India’s Hawks has been a notion tossed about by the IAF for years now, but so far the proposition has fundamentally meant more airframes. The current pitch seeks to take into account a combination of factors: chronic budgetary pressures that won’t go away, the need for a simplified boost in tactical combat capabilities and availability, and finally the long felt need to stretch the Hawk fleet beyond its baseline training duties to potential war assets if and when hostilities break out.
IAF doesn't want to order more Hawks but is open to modifications which will enhance it's wartime utility. Both engines and aircraft are already paid for.
 

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Possibly, Not bad initiative but their is no progress on it so far ..

I have merged HAWK related threads into one and this is a gud thread to read all developments on HAL`s HAWKs till date ..
 
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@sthf my friend... Kargil was the wakeup call for IAF.

Before Kargil we didn't have any PGMs in our arsenal.

IAF had lower sortie rate because it didn't had any PGMs. If we had PGMs then Kargil would have ended in a week, not 2 months.

IAF is having a very good reason for mulling over Combat hawk.

Jaguars Mig 27s which are current strike aircraft, of these Mig 27s have become very old and unreliable. We have 90 hawks, these can be used to bomb enemy targets thus freeing other fighters for air to air and take load off from Jaguars.

Soon HTT 40 will also be armed and equipped for Anti Tank and CAS roles like the AT-6.

Thus I rest my case.
Combat Hawk is a tactics used by UK to sell more Hawk to India.

It costs same or more as LCA MK1.

Tell me which one you want to see in that kind of operations ?
I didn't asked to buy combat hawks...

There are plug and play targeting systems which can be connected to existing trainer Hawks and can be used for dropping PGMs.

As @Kunal Biswas bhai had pointed out IAF had rejected this proposal somewhere around 2015/16

But kunal bhai, after rejecting the modification to Hawks, discussion had come for armed HTT 40. So I have little hopes for armed hawks especially when hawks get their MLU. If I am not wrong, HAL were talking about the prospects of HTFE 25 or its uprated engine going into MLU of Hawks.

@tejas warrior Combat hawk is whole lot different than what I am asking for.

Combat hawks comw with Advanced radar, BVR missiles, IFR, ground targeting systems. In short converting the existing trainers into a medicore 4th gen fighter. It was meant to be a competitive for existing light 4th gen fighters around 30 mil. Going for combat hawk is a pure waste of resources
HAWKS will be indigenised with HTFE 25. Even HTT40 can be used in place of hawks. Hawks being used with radar and BVR is wasteful. Hawks and HTT40 is fit to replace choppers from CAS only.

HAWKs are only slightly cheaper than Tejas airframe without equipment. HAWKs are cheap not because of design but because of lack of equipment and weak engine. If these things are added, they will become expensive.
 
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HAWKS will be indigenised with HTFE 25. Even HTT40 can be used in place of hawks. Hawks being used with radar and BVR is wasteful. Hawks and HTT40 is fit to replace choppers from CAS only.

HAWKs are only slightly cheaper than Tejas airframe without equipment. HAWKs are cheap not because of design but because of lack of equipment and weak engine. If these things are added, they will become expensive.
This is the reason for IAF rejecting the combat hawk
 

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All eyes on the Hawk
17 January 2018

BAE Systems has flown the demonstrator for a new so-called Advanced Hawk configuration. Jon Lake takes a look at the new aircraft

The Advanced Hawk demonstrator made its maiden flight in its new configuration from the company’s Warton, Lancashire site on June 7 2017, after being unveiled at the Aero India show at Bengaluru on February 14 2017.
The availability of this enhanced model could lead to new orders from Gulf and Middle Eastern air forces.
The new variant will be a faster, more agile Hawk that can also carry smart weapons, and the programme aims to give the aircraft an “edge in fast-jet pilot training, as well as offering increased operational utility”, according to Dave Corfield, BAE Systems head of Hawk India.
The Advanced Hawk is intended to be closer in performance and capability – both real and synthetic – to the frontline aircraft that the pilots are training to use...

...Though they look very similar to the original Hawk, a new generation of Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) and Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) Hawk variants was introduced in the late 1990s. These aircraft had only 10% commonality with their forebears, introducing a new airframe with four times the fatigue life, and with advanced embedded training systems that made them arguably the most effective advanced pilot training aircraft in service today...

...The Advanced Hawk features a modified wing with an almost full-span active leading-edge slat (using the slat actuation system from the Tejas light combat aircraft) and an upgraded combat flap. The leading-edge slat has three manually selectable positions (0°, 6° and 16°) on the demonstrator, but would be fully variable (and automatically actuated) in production models.
The new wing confers significant improvements in take-off and landing performance, a 17% improvement in climb performance, a 20% reduction in turn radius, and a 25% improvement in turn rate, as well as giving much better high-alpha (angle-of-attack) capability, with wind-tunnel testing and simulation indicating that the Advanced Hawk should be able to achieve 22-23 units of Alpha, about ten units more than the current Hawk.
All in all, the Advanced Hawk should be comparable to current frontline fighters like the F-16 in terms of manoeuvrability.
To cope with the increase in angle of attack (AoA), the height of the vertical stabiliser will be increased by nine inches, and a yaw-axis stability augmentation system will be provided to cope with any adverse yaw.
The Advanced Hawk will be powered by the 6,500lb Rolls Royce Adour Mk.951 turbofan, and not the 6,000lb Adour Mk.871 used on many in-service Hawks. Some consideration has been given to providing even greater thrust.
The Advanced Hawk has an all-new cockpit with a large area display, similar to that used on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, but capable of replicating the cockpit configurations of older aircraft, including those with analogue instruments or with smaller multifunction LCD displays.
The aircraft incorporates BAE’s LiteHUD, a low-profile digital head-up display, and is also fitted with ground proximity warning system, traffic collision avoidance system, and a datalink.
With these cockpit systems, the Advanced Hawk can simulate or emulate the latest frontline sensors and weapons, including those of the F-35.
The Advanced Hawk is also fitted for air-to-air refuelling and has a radar warning receiver and countermeasures dispensers, as well as provision for a laser designator pod and full smart weapons capability – making it suitable for use as a frontline light attack aircraft, as well as for realistic weapons training.
It is the first Hawk platform with a full frontline combat capability, (the aircraft has been referred to as the Combat Hawk), and has both beyond-visual-range and precision-strike capabilities
The Advanced Hawk is the result of a cooperative, jointly funded 24-month programme with India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), and it will be jointly marketed by BAE Systems and HAL.
The aircraft will be offered to new customers, and also to existing Hawk operators, and the companies have projected a market for at least 300 airframes over the next 10 years.
Most Advanced Hawk features and capabilities, including the large area display and new wing, could be retrofitted into older in-service Hawks, either as modules, or as a whole. Depending on the customer, BAE and HAL will jointly decide where such upgrades will take place.
As a new-build aircraft, it is anticipated that most Advanced Hawks would be built in and exported from India, which already has a low-cost production line and an existing Indian supply chain, though the aircraft could also be built at BAE’s Warton plant.
The related HAL Hawk-i adds Indian-developed embedded training system, mission computer, communications, datalink and countermeasures systems.
http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/all-eyes-on-the-hawk.html
 

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UK offers India finance for buying Hawk jets: New Delhi not sure about deal

With the proposed purchase of 20 Hawk trainer aircraft for the Indian Air Force (IAF) stalled for years, apparently because of a shortfall of money, British vendor BAE Systems and the UK government have offered New Delhi a line of funding to land a contract for the aircraft, worth an estimated Rs 2,000-2,500 crore (Rs 20-25 billion).

Over the preceding decades, New Delhi has shied away from defence aid, choosing to pay itself for weaponry and defence equipment needed for national defence. In parliament, the government has stated it is currently a net donor of foreign aid, and that “aid from the UK has fallen steadily from an inflow of Rs 1,710 crore in 2008-09 to a net outflow of 25 lakhs to the UK in 2016-17.”

But now, with numerous defence purchases held up by capital budget shortfalls, and thousands of crores in unspent money reappropriated each year from the defence ministry, London has proposed to finance a Hawk deal through the UK Export Finance organisation...

...Defence ministry sources say New Delhi has not yet accepted the offer.

India has earlier signed two contracts with BAE Systems for Hawk trainers: Batch 1 was for 66 trainers in 2004; and Batch 2 for 57 trainers was signed in 2008.

Held up for several years now is Batch 3, for 20 aircraft to equip the IAF’s Surya Kiran aerobatics team...
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.de/2018/01/uk-offers-india-finance-for-buying-hawk.html?m=1

From double digit GDP and great defence modernisation promises, to defence spending at 1962 level and foreign funds to buy Hawks for the aerobatics team. In the words of Donald Trump...#SAD
 

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http://ajaishukla.blogspot.de/2018/01/uk-offers-india-finance-for-buying-hawk.html?m=1

From double digit GDP and great defence modernisation promises, to defence spending at 1962 level and foreign funds to buy Hawks for the aerobatics team. In the words of Donald Trump...#SAD
The "shortfall" will always be there, infinete demand and finite resources, India isn't an Arab oil rich state- it has other priorities.

The SKAT has already been re-formed with the Hawk, BAE still trying to push these last 20 Hawks on the IAF that they may not even want anymore, they are free to make the offer but India is unlikely to accept as the article points out.


Govt priorities are elsewhere.
 

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http://ajaishukla.blogspot.de/2018/01/uk-offers-india-finance-for-buying-hawk.html?m=1

From double digit GDP and great defence modernisation promises, to defence spending at 1962 level and foreign funds to buy Hawks for the aerobatics team. In the words of Donald Trump...#SAD
If double digit can't be achieved by this Government then certainly it can't be achieved. Atleast not by alternative that we have as Pappu Pasta.

As for defense spendings on equipment purchasing is concerned. Yes it needs to stay down for time being. The money needs to be spent smartly. Smartness calls for development of MIC by investing in core sectors which will ultimately be fulfilling equipment requirements, job creations, Tax incomes, export earnings, international influence etc. As it is way smart to create a USD 9 billion worth Indian equivalent of Dassult than to make a piecemeal purchase of Rafales at close to 8 billion.
 
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