Gurmeet Ram Rahim - An internal security perspective

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No dude, nothing to forgive, I was just curious. Thanks for replying. And I am not a "sir".

"Conservative" Sikh does not equal "true" Sikh. Also, the media typically uses "conservative" as a substitute for "radical". Obviously, Punjab has a history of communal tension but this is present only in fringe elements.

In general, common Sikhs and Hindus get along fine. Fringe elements of both groups try to create communal tension between each other. And then there is the caste angle.

In villages, land owning Jatts and upper caste Hindus live and eat together. My neighbors in my village are Hindu Brahmins and we are like family. But mazbhis and other so called lower castes are segregated in their own neighborhoods and are discriminated by upper caste Sikhs and Hindus alike. :sad:
120% agreed.
In every city every village
Every part of Punjab

Even you will find families where one part is Sikh while other Hindu
 

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Not wanting to dilute this thread, but isn't it funny when X'ians talk about Hindu babas being rapists, but zip when asked about below incidents, I mean if asked. An average Hindu knows zilch about 'The Church'.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nati...d-for-unnatural-sex-with-10-year-old-boy.html

Kochi: The Kerala Police on Sunday arrested a priest for indulging in unnatural sexual intercourse with a 10-year old boy in Kochi's Kunnathunad area.

Father Basil Kuriyakose, the Principal of Kings David International School, was arrested by the police after the victim's parents lodged a complaint.

"The victim was a 10-year old boy who was studying at a boarding school here. The boy disclosed the incident to his brother who came to meet him at the school. Following this, the parents lodged a complaint", the police told ANI.

The priest has been booked under Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) and will be produced before a local court on Monday.
 

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funny when X'ians talk about Hindu babas being rapists, but zip when asked about below incidents, I mean if asked. An average Hindu knows zilch about 'The Church'.
for that one need to make a liitle research and got to the shareholding pattern of our media houses.....you will be shocked.!
 

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for that one need to make a liitle research and got to the shareholding pattern of our media houses.....you will be shocked.!
Yes. But when articles indeed come out, we need to make a huge noise about it, then the media will have no choice rather than to show it. And to add to it, its not a phenomenon limited to India, its a worldwide issue. Church fathers have a dangerously high libido.
 

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What rubbish. What does caste have to do with anything? I was the first to mention that his followers are from all castes even though they might be majority Dalit. In my village, a prominent Jatt Sikh retired Col was the first to convert. Dalits are as much or more Sikh as I am as long as they follow Sikh customs and regard Guru Granth Sahib as their Guru.

p.s. if you scroll through my post history, I have been specifically calling out dera followers as neither Sikh nor Hindu.
Ever heard about Pervez Khokhar (not a Jatt though)
 

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No, just looked him up. Retired IAF officer murdered by a gang in Bangalore?



:laugh: This baba's world is getting more and more twisted.
He was a Punjabi Khokhar and associated with Tejas program and belong to family of recent Christian converts.


Your mentioning a converted Jatt Col reminded me of him. There are several other cases of Army officers converted to Christianity.


Father of Rana Liaqat Ali (Irene Pant) , wife of 1st Prime minister of Pakistan Liaqat Ali (a Haryanvi ) was a converted Kumaoni Brahmin Brigadier Hector Pant.

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Remember all the articles about HC judge's comments on PM and Haryana CM.

Well !!!! The judges are today saying they didn't say those things. Some journo invented those quotes in thin air.

media ne logo ki demag ki batti banake ...jeb me daal di hai.....
 

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Remember all the articles about HC judge's comments on PM and Haryana CM.

Well !!!! The judges are today saying they didn't say those things. Some journo invented those quotes in thin air.

I suppose some enhusiastic commie, Modi hating reporter with an over active imagination thought why waste this opportunity to drag PM's name through the mud.

That's how the game works. Someone cooks up a fake story and the ecosystem runs with it. At times, the original story is quitely deleted or retracted, but the damage has been done.
 

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The Indian Express also spoke to well-educated women, who felt that their jobs and salaries were only due to the blessings of the godman. A postgraduate, with a degree in law and working at the Dera in Sirsa, said, “Why do you believe in your God? Why do you believe in Lord Krishna or Lord Ram or Allah? For us, our pitaji is each one of these gods. He is giving us work, livelihood, energy to lead better lives and he is not a human. He is a God who has come as incarnation on earth such as Krishna and Ram. He has come to eradicate all sins on earth. For us, he is more important than our own father.”
 

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It's good that Javed Akhtar equates behavior of a few crazy followers of a weird cult with previously state sanctioned practice of millions of Indiam Muslims. Fanatic cult = Islam, Javed Akhtarji has seen the light. :laugh:
Don't think he's a fool. He calls them hindu while rah rahim had secular sect.
 

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Yes. But when articles indeed come out, we need to make a huge noise about it, then the media will have no choice rather than to show it. And to add to it, its not a phenomenon limited to India, its a worldwide issue. Church fathers have a dangerously high libido.
Yep, as it is shown in the movie "Spotlight".
 

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http://www.dailypioneer.com/top-sto...r-work-whatever-we-did-was-right-khattar.html

An unfazed Haryana Chief Minister Manohar Lal Khattar today ruled out his resignation after meeting BJP chief Amit Shah, saying that his government had acted with "restraint" and he was satisfied with its work.

There will not be any change (in leadership), he told reporters after submitting a report to Shah on the violence in Haryana following the conviction of Dera Sacha Sauda head Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh last week.

Khattar was responding to a query on speculation that the BJP top brass might replace him amid the opposition's charge that his government mishandled the Dera episode, resulting in large-scale violence.

At least 38 people were killed, mostly in police firing.

He said his government had acted with "restraint" as its first target was to ensure that the self-styled godman appeared before the court in Panchkula in Haryana.

The BJP government has been accused of mishandling the matter by allowing lakhs of dera followers to assemble in Panchkula before the Dera chief was to be sentenced, sparking a wave of violence following his conviction of rape.

Justifying his government's action, Khattar said had something happened before the controversial sect head appeared before the special CBI court on August 25, Gurmeet Singh might have used that as an "excuse" for not turning up in court.

"We acted with restraint. We achieved our aim," he said.

Asked about the demand for his resignation, he shot back, "Anybody can say anything... We are satisfied with our work. Whatever we did was right. There will be no change."

To a question on his party courting the Dera head for political support, Khattar said political parties sought everyone's cooperation.

"But there is never a condition for such support that somebody breaks the law. Nobody is above the law," he said, claiming that his government had no deal with the Dera chief, as was being alleged.

The force used by the state police was minimal, he said, adding that it also showed no laxity against those indulging in violence.

He also rejected reports of a "VIP treatment" given to the Dera head after he was convicted, saying he was temporarily put up in a guest house as arrangements were being made in the jail.
 

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Ram Rahim had an illicit relationship with adopted daughter Honeypreet, claims her ex-husband

According to her estranged husband, Vishwas Gupta, both Ram Rahim and Honeypreet started living and spending quality time together after she separated from him.



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    Ram Rahim's close aide and adopted daughter Honeypreet had illicit relationship with him, claims ex-husband.

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    Honeypreet started a relationship with Ram Rahim while married to Vishwas Gupta.

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    Vishwas Gupta revealed he caught Honeypreet and Ram Rahim having sex.
Priyanka Taneja alias Honeypreet Insan, 42, has a controversial past, with sources saying she married Vishwas Gupta, a moneyed man who was a Dera follower, on February 14, 1999.

She came close to Dera chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim and in 2009 moved a dowry harassment case against her in-laws. However, Vishwas Gupta moved the court in 2011 accusing the Baba of having illicit relations with his wife and had sought judicial custody of his wife from Ram Rahim. He, however, took the case back and got separated after reaching an out-of-court settlement with Priyanka. The Dera chief adopted Priyanka and gave her the new name Honeypreet Insaan.

According to her estranged husband, Vishwas Gupta, both Ram Rahim and Honeypreet started living and spending quality time together. She became a close aide of the Dera chief and both were spotted together on many occasions.


"Honeypreet was adopted by Baba as he had bad intentions. He sexually exploited her as she was beautiful," Vishwas Gupta, who continues to lead a secret life following threats from Rahim's men, said.

Seven of Dera aides were arrested on charges of following him.

RISE OF HONEYPREET INSAN IN DERA

She became his 'favourite' daughter and started getting special treatment. She started taking important Dera decisions and later even learned film direction and acting. She also directed MSG The Warrior Lion Heart.

Gurmeet Ram Rahim had claimed that Honeypreet had broken Jackie Chan's record by playing 21 different roles in another Baba film MSG: Hind Ka Napak Ko Jawab.

"PAPA's ANGEL, Philanthropist, Director, Editor, Actress!! Passionate to transform my Rockstar Papa's directions into actions," says Honeypreet on Twitter who has over 1.02 million Twitter followers. She is also an active Facebook user and has over 505,976 followers.

She also openly tweeted about her friendship with Gurmeet Ram Rahim on August 6, 2017.

"My Best Friend @Gurmeetramrahim Pa, Ur love lights up an entire lifetime! Thank U for being U! Happy Friendship Day!" she tweeted with a background song "I wish tere jasa dost sabko mile".

The controversial daughter called the Dera chief a storehouse of energy when he celebrated his 50th birthday on August 15, 2017.

""#HappyBirthDayGuruPa Congrats for d phenomenal 50 yrs! Thanx for turning every darkest hour into a brightest moment," she tweeted.

She once again made news when she accompanied the rapist Dera chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Insaan in a chopper on Friday when he was taken to Rohtak jail from Panchkula. According to the jail manual, no woman can stay with a male prisoner but the jail authorities, in contravention to the guidelines laid down in the jail manual, had allowed Honeypreet to stay with the Dera chief in the guest house. Both were in the guest house for nearly two hours.

Sources said the Dera chief had created a ruckus when the jail authorities asked him to shift to a lockup. He even threatened to get the jail officials suspended and even tried to call the Chief Minister and a union minister.

VERSION OF EVENTS AS NARRATED BY HONEYPREET'S EX-HUSBAND

Vishwas Gupta, the estranged husband of Honeypreet, revealed the entire episode that led to his separation from his wife and he puts the blame squarely on Ram Rahim.

"I was staying at the goofa, private room of Baba ji. My wife was with him. He had inadvertenly left the door open. They were nude and were having sex. They were shocked after they saw me. Baba had threatened me with dire consequences. He had threatened me not to reveal anything and had said that I will be killed," Gupta said.

He said that he along with his parents were compelled to leave the Dera and later started living in Panchkula. The decision was taken in view of the threat. The family had been a Dera follower for 40 years.

Vishwas said that Baba Ram Rahim wanted to come close to Honeypreet. He had allegedly adopted her on the first day of marriage. Vishwas and Honeypreet accompanied Baba Ram Rahim wherever he would go, but Baba did not let her sleep with Vishwas. Baba and Honeypreet would sleep together in a single room.

Vishwas got married to Honeypreet, alias Priyanka, a resident of Fatehabad on February 14, 1999. Baba had given her a new name as Honeypreet.

"Baba had thrown a big party in goofa in 1999 and had announced that he was adopting my wife and I will be his son-in-law. She will be his middle daughter," Vishwas said.


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...n-dera-sacha-sauda-rapist-baba/1/1036018.html
 

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The love-charging, multitasking, messenger-of-God-cum-Dera-Sacha-Sauda-chief-cum-rapist may have been jailed for good but his clan and cult remain. Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Insan (there may be more suffixes and prefixes there) has been sentenced to 20 years in prison - 10 years for each of the two rape cases - by the CBI court that pronounced him guilty.

The rape case was registered against the dera chief in 2002 by the CBI on the directions of the Punjab and Haryana High Court after anonymous letters were circulated about the alleged sexual exploitation of two "sadhvis" by Ram Rahim. That’s not all though. The dera chief is accused of murdering Sirsa-based journalist Ram Chander Chhatrapati in October 2002, who had reported the criminal charges against him.

But now that the dera chief is behind bars, media’s attention has turned to Honeypreet Insan.

But who is Honeypreet?

Honeypreet Insan, who was born Priyanka Taneja, is the thirty-something (though some reports claim she is over 40) adopted daughter of Gurmeet Ram Rahim. While the dera chief has three biological children – two daughters, Amanpreet and Charanpreet and a son, Jasmeet Insan – he adopted Honeypreet Insan in 2009.

Priyanka Taneja’s sudden transformation into Honeypreet took place after she married Vishwas Gupta, a dera follower from Sirsa, in 1999. According to dera insiders, as reported by Hindustan Times, Honeypreet complained to Gurmeet Ram Rahim about dowry demands from her in-laws. It was shortly after that the dera chief adopted her as his daughter in 2009.

While that technically turned Gupta into the dera chief’s son-in-law, the two soon fell out.

In fact, in 2011, Gupta approached the Punjab and Haryana high court to seek the custody of his wife from the dera chief. Gupta moved the court accusing Gurmeet Ram Rahim of having illicit relations with his wife (the dera chief’s adopted daughter) and sought judicial custody of his wife from Ram Rahim.

According to Gupta, both Gurmeet Ram Rahim and Honeypreet started living and spending quality time together. She became a close aide of the dera chief and both were spotted together on many occasions.

Gupta, however, took the case back and the couple separated after reaching an out-of-court settlement.

"I was staying at the goofa (cave) – the private room of Baba ji. My wife was with him. He had inadvertently left the door open. They were nude and were having sex. They were shocked after they saw me. Baba had threatened me with dire consequences. He had threatened me not to reveal anything and had said that I will be killed," said Gupta.

"Honeypreet was adopted by Baba as he had bad intentions. He sexually exploited her as she was beautiful," he added.

Adopted child to Papa’s Angel to possibly, the next dera chief

Insan Jr describes herself as “PAPA's ANGEL, Philanthropist, Director, Editor, Actress!! Passionate to transform my Rockstar Papa's directions into actions!” on her Facebook page – which incidentally has more than 5,00,000 followers (She’s also massively popular on Twitter, where she has a million followers and Instagram).

Honeypreet quickly moved up the ranks inside the dera as Gurmeet Ram Rahim’s favourite. She started taking important dera decisions and later even dabbled in film direction and acting. She also directed MSG: The Warrior Lion Heart. In fact, Honeypreet Insan is possibly her father’s most active collaborator in his films, with several credits naming her. Like father, like daughter? One hopes not.

Honeypreet’s existence on social media seems is only for promoting her father, Gurmeet Ram Rahim. Photos, tweets, Instagram updates and videos — almost all of her updates are, in one way or the other, in praise of the rapist godman. But does Honeypreet only make cringeworthy movies for her father? No.

Honeypreet may well succeed the rapist godman. While Jasmeet, Ram Rahim's biological son, a businessman, was reportedly declared his father's heir in 2007, dera rules bar him – as Ram Rahim's blood relative – from taking charge of the sect.

Honeypreet already commands a lot of importance in the dera and is followed by a large management where individual managers look after different aspects of administration such as security, finance, land, et al.

But she’s not the only one speculated to be Ram Rahim's successor. Vipassana Insan, the chairperson of Dera Sacha Sauda, is also widely seen as one of the candidates to succeed Gurmeet Ram Rahim as the leader of the dera. Vipassana came into limelight on August 26, when she issued a video appeal to dera followers to maintain peace.

According to a report in The Quint, she has been involved in various welfare activities of the dera such as health camps, distribution of food and clothes to the needy, and blood donation camps for army personnel. She also heads a group of 250 dera members, among which there are 150 women.

Vipassana and Honeypreet, both call themselves "Guru Brahmachari".

Media attention

Honeypreet made news most recently when she accompanied Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Insan in a chopper when he was taken to Rohtak jail from Panchkula.

According to the jail manual, no woman can stay with a male prisoner but the jail authorities, in contravention to the guidelines laid down in the jail manual, had allowed Honeypreet to stay with the Dera chief in the guest house. Both were in the guest house for nearly two hours.

Sources told India Today that the Dera chief created a ruckus when the jail authorities asked him to shift to a lockup. He even threatened to get the jail officials suspended and tried to call the chief minister and a Union minister.

The trip to the jail brought Honeypreet into the media spotlight. Suddenly, the details of her alleged relationship with Gurmeet Ram Rahim and her divorce with Vishwas Gupta came back in the news.

The media is often cruel to those who exist in the periphery of wrongdoers. A classic example of this is how the US media, for the most part, treats US president Donald Trump's wife Melania Trump. Even Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter has been on the receiving end of a barrage of hostile articles.

Often, it is just association that acts as a catalyst for hostility.

Necessary coverage or sensationalising irrelevant old stories, there are two things worth considering here. One, there is the possibility that Honeypreet will succeed her father as the dera chief. Two, if that does indeed happen; will it be good for the dera and millions of a rapist godman's followers?

A woman leading the Dera may work towards restoring the faith of detracting followers, or at least those who are in a dilemma right now. But there is also the possibility that Honeypreet, having had immense control over the dera, was already aware of the sexual abuse going on inside the sect.

A survivor's anonymous story of how the Dera chief raped women at gunpoint.

Digging up stories about her alleged illicit relationship with Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh may not do anyone much good, but it clear that this is not the last of Honeypreet we have heard of.
 

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