Green Water Navy

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  1. bhramos

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    A Green-Water Navy is a naval term that refers to a naval force whose power projection capability is regional in nature.[1] This is a relatively new terminology, as earlier non blue-water navies used to be collectively referred to as brown-water navy.
    Green-water navies are usually capable of sending their naval ships overseas on friendly port-visits, participating in joint-exercises with other navies and sustaining short-term regional deployments. But usually they either lack the ability for sustained long-distance combat operations or their naval-doctrine does not envisage deployments far away from their home bases.
    In comparison to Green-Water Navy, a Blue-water navy is one which has a capability to project power anywhere across all oceans and is able to sustain itself for long-duration deployment far away from the home base. All Blue-water navy have aircraft carriers in their fleet, to provide air cover for defensive as well as offensive operations.
    Until some years back, one main difference between Blue-water Navy and Green-water navies was that Green-Water navies usually lacked aircraft carriers, depending on land-based aircraft for air cover instead. However, in the current scenario, there are some navies which though do not technically qualify as Blue-water navy, but nevertheless can deploy full fledged Carrier battle group centered around an aircraft carrier, such as the Italian Navy and Indian Navy.

    Green-water navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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  3. noob101

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    well according to that definition the only Navy that is a true "blue water navy" is the USN
     
  4. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Had to change the title, Indian Navy`s fleet can sustain on its own over International waters which consist of Carrier and in past Two carriers, Indian Navy force Projection is not only limited to Bay of Bengal & Andaman Sea and Arabian sea but Southern IOR, Indian Navy consistently use Combat vessels near African coasts with Friendly Countries, Also Indian Navy rescued Indian UN peacekeeper from Somalia via a Amphibious Ops in Early or Mid 90s..

    India never attacked any Country beyond its Regional area but that doesn't mean it cant..
    Indian Navy Ships Displace from 3000 - 29,000 tons and have ranges from 8,000 km to 10,500 km ..
     
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    its not even a port navy. its losing so many ships becausing of colliding them with merchant or other ships of its own fleet
     
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    i think Until Vikramaditya is not Commisioned we are a Green water navy...
     
  7. W.G.Ewald

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    Really? I thought brown-water navy meant riverine operations.

    And then there was this:

    The African Queen (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    where the German Navy was operating on Lake Victoria.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Like its never happened before in other places..
     
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    Carriers are important for power projection but in my opinion LPD's and marine forces should also be given importance.. what use is an aircraft carrier if it is just anchored outside of a war zone the only thing that it can do it bomb the enemy the real power I think comes from how many troops can they put ashore and how long can they sustain them....
     
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    what do you mean "many" ships? as far as i know IN lost one almost obsolete destroyer that was at the end of its life ..... is there a fleet of ships that we lost somewhere to collisions that I dont know about
     
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    wat is the color of nepalies navy it transparent navy just joking ha ha ha
     
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    3 ships in 3 years...2008-10. and now recent collision...losing means from active duty. back to shipyard
     
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    what you are saying sounds like a lot but you have to understand that the IN is a big navy operating sometimes in very busy shipping lanes so collision are expected.... you seem to be implying that ships colliding are naval disasters for this you need to read up on naval history start with k 141 kursk of soviet navy...
     
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    in that way iaf crashes can also be justified. its a big force so such a huge toll is justified, see usaf and soviet airforce.
    even with many times bigger navy usa and china are not having such disasters, that too this frequant
     
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    Read the news abt Soviat times even Russian today, USAF have how many combat fighters ? And China are you serious talking china into equation ( Iron curtain ) ..

    India basing is justified..
     
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    see best comparison is with self, indian navy was much better before as compared to what it is now in terms of human resources. 2 ships colliding in port area have no relation with no of ships in armada or in high sea.
     
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    You are saying it happens only In India coz you listen in India, It also happens outside India too and in past India too..

    Just keep track on outside world..
     
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    Ok as far as I have understood (given from the text), we should be able to have a blue water navy even without nuclear carriers, right ? (of course in the future with some nclear subs, more carriers, destroyers..etc). So the remaining friction would be our naval doctrine which clearly concentrates on the IOR, which prevents the Indian Navy from becoming a blue water navy.
     
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    What is then a Brown Water Navy?

    Something in between or incapable of even sending ships for 'showing the flag' beyond its shore?
     
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    A Brown water Navy is a coast defence force
     

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