Greek PM announces referendum on EU membership

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Typical socialist babble talk. You have no idea about what right wing is and about free capitalist economy. Look at PRC, they actually besides official ideology said fuck you socialistm and hey, they have one of the most quickly growing economy on this planet. If people let back normality to our countries (west) we will once again be strong.

I say this easier:

Give us lower taxes, we will be less poor, we will buy more, companys will have more money for investitions and for workers, eliminate social spending, people will start working, because it will be more profitable than using public money, and because people will be less poor, they will be buying more goods, companys will have more work, more work means more workers needed, everything that = economy growth.

Of course, there will be interim stage where situation will not be beatifull, but it is better than slowly die and bankrupt because of socialist economy made by left wing politicians.
I agree lower taxes, get rid of all govt regulations, govt freebies and let market forces dictate businesses.

Where am i disagreeing with you ? :D

There ae no saints, but Che was one ugly motherfucker, it is good that someone get rid that piece of shit out of face of earth, pitty that more socialists were not killed... fucking cancer.
Che never changed or made any policies in europe or for that matter poland. But dont let that diminish your hatred. I take it was allright for that puppet dictator, the american companies and the mafia to pillage cuba then ?
 

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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO Greece has changed its mind- decided AGAINST allowing the public to vote on this! - No Public referendum
 

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I agree lower taxes, get rid of all govt regulations, govt freebies and let market forces dictate businesses.

Where am i disagreeing with you ?
So decide, You are against capitalism or not?

Che never changed or made any policies in europe or for that matter poland. But dont let that diminish your hatred. I take it was allright for that puppet dictator, the american companies and the mafia to pillage cuba then ?
I hate every Socialist, be it Che, Lenin, Stalin, Marks, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Kim Ir Sen, Kim Jong Il, or Nationalist Socialists like Hitler an his puppets.

And yes, for Cuba it would be better under this "puppet" dicator that permitted free market to act. Look at Chile, under Pinochet rule it become one of the most rich countries of Latin America... who the hell needs socialists then? Answer is simple, socialism is a cancer that should be removed by any means availabale.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO Greece has changed its mind- decided AGAINST allowing the public to vote on this! - No Public referendum
It seems that eurocrats have means to force on all ruling politicians to do what Brussels want, not citizens of each specific country... yup, this is a freedom in EU.
 

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So decide, You are against capitalism or not?
Who cares if im for or against ? Fact we both agree on what policies the west should follow :thumb:

I hate every Socialist, be it Che, Lenin, Stalin, Marks, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Kim Ir Sen, Kim Jong Il, or Nationalist Socialists like Hitler an his puppets.

And yes, for Cuba it would be better under this "puppet" dicator that permitted free market to act. Look at Chile, under Pinochet rule it become one of the most rich countries of Latin America... who the hell needs socialists then? Answer is simple, socialism is a cancer that should be removed by any means availabale.
Hitler hated leftists because he was right wing. Dont let the name fool you because china is supposed to be a communist country but you've already said they are anything but communist. So you know name and reality are different.

Fact of the matter is that the avg person of cuba was worse off under a dictator that permitted so called free market.
 

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Who cares if im for or against ? Fact we both agree on what policies the west should follow :thumb:
Policies that will make west strong, of course You will never aspect this simple fact, because it is against Your ideology.

Hitler hated leftists because he was right wing.
Eh... You really should live in europe and read some good right wing articles or listen right wing politicians. Hitler, was never right wing politician, his ideology is completely against ideals of right wing libertarians (or liberals, however liberal is misused and misunderstanded term in europe these days, currently socialist = liberal in the west these days).

Dont let the name fool you because china is supposed to be a communist country but you've already said they are anything but communist. So you know name and reality are different.
PRC is less and less socialist state, but neither it is democracy, rather a form of oligarchy that is just using old flag and official ideology.

But still it is not 100% right wing and capitalist state, for example corruption, something that in capitalism is very small.

Fact of the matter is that the avg person of cuba was worse off under a dictator that permitted so called free market.
If dictator is idiot then even free market won't help. Leaders should be wise man, not primitive morons that will promise everything to citizens to gain votes.

Leader should not promise that he will give something people, no, he also should not take anything from people, taxes should be used only to fund Police, Armed Forces, and small goverment, the rest should be left to people how they will use money they have. This was and still is the only well working model.
 

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It seems that eurocrats have means to force on all ruling politicians to do what Brussels want, not citizens of each specific country... yup, this is a freedom in EU.
Its not freedom issue it avoidance of stupidity... the public is ignorant and is clueless how a no vote would be catastrophic. Its 1 -1 economics.

the american public during the civil right movement was as a majority against it-- that did not make it right!
 

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Damian, you are making yourself look like a fool by talking out of your anus. For your own sake you should stop.

I hate every Socialist, be it Che, Lenin, Stalin, Marks, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Kim Ir Sen, Kim Jong Il, or Nationalist Socialists like Hitler an his puppets.
All the people you named are very, very different. Marx and Pol Pot have as much in common as John Locke and Hitler. In fact, Marx despised socialists like Ferdinand Lasalle, and Hitler (despite the name of his party) despised all left-wing activists.


And yes, for Cuba it would be better under this "puppet" dicator that permitted free market to act.
You obviously don't know shit. Batista and his 'free market policies' absolutely wrecked Cuba.
 

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Its not freedom issue it avoidance of stupidity... the public is ignorant and is clueless how a no vote would be catastrophic. Its 1 -1 economics.
It is a freedom issue, if people do not want Euro, we are going back to national currency, if people do not want be a part of EU anymore, country should bail out from EU, it is that simple.

And I will not hide the fact that I hate EU, as same as I hate any other form of socialism and unit oppresion.
 

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It is a freedom issue, if people do not want Euro, we are going back to national currency, if people do not want be a part of EU anymore, country should bail out from EU, it is that simple.

And I will not hide the fact that I hate EU, as same as I hate any other form of socialism and unit oppresion.
Yes you dont like it but majority of people from your own country do want to be in EU. Why is your voice right and majority others wrong ?
 

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Damian, you are making yourself look like a fool by talking out of your anus. For your own sake you should stop.
Ahhh, so it seems that truth is hurting someone. This is my responsibility what I am talking, not yours, if I want to talk about this I will talk, and You will not shut my "mouth", it is clear?

All the people you named are very, very different. Marx and Pol Pot have as much in common as John Locke and Hitler. In fact, Marx despised socialists like Ferdinand Lasalle, and Hitler (despite the name of his party) despised all left-wing activists.
I do not care, socialism is a cancer, not matters nationalist socialism of Hitler or marxism, leninism etc.

You obviously don't know shit. Batista and his 'free market policies' absolutely wrecked Cuba.
Yeah right, and Cuba is now in great shape under beautifull socialism. :D Live in your dreams if you wish, i live in ex socialist country, I know to what in reality socialism lead. :D

Yes you dont like it but majority of people from your own country do want to be in EU. Why is your voice right and majority others wrong ?
Why do You think that majority of people in my country want to live in EU? Many young people that were ok with EU is now against it.

And why minority voice can be right instead of majority? Many times in history of men, there was allways less smart people than idiots who belive in stupid promises.

Besides You think that people are happy that law of EU is more important than our own law and constitution? Who give right this fucktards in Brussels to decide what is better for any nation Europe?
 
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I think france, germany, norway are all going down the drain because of socialism or are they ? :laugh:
 

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I think france, germany, norway are all going down the drain because of socialism or are they ? :laugh:
Of course they are, currently Germany have -1 to +1 growth in economy while my country have higher, why? Probably only because simple Pole have all EU decisions in his ass and he will do anything to make profit, not eurocrats happy.
 

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Ahhh, so it seems that truth is hurting someone. This is my responsibility what I am talking, not yours, if I want to talk about this I will talk, and You will not shut my "mouth", it is clear?
I never said you should stop talking. Unlike in Western forums, where people are banned for speaking against popular views, we do not ban people here so easily. You are free to make a fool out of yourself if you wish, it is your inalienable right :thumb:


I do not care, socialism is a cancer, not matters nationalist socialism of Hitler or marxism, leninism etc.
You are obviously too biased to debate these matters with a clear head. I doubt you can even define or differentiate between Marxism, Leninism, and/or National Socalism (Nazism). All those ideologies are very, very different.


Yeah right, and Cuba is now in great shape under beautifull socialism. :D Live in your dreams if you wish, i live in ex socialist country, I know to what in reality socialism lead. :D
Cuba today is undoubtedly in a much better shape than it was under a U.S. puppet gov't. That is obvious to anyone who knows the facts.

As I said before, I think you are too biased due to your experiences in living in a Soviet puppet country.
 

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Right Wing Elements Celebrate Hitler's Birthday

Right-wing elements in Hungary and Lithuania marked Adolf Hitler's birthday.

A Hungarian online news channel backed by the extreme-right party Jobbik aired a segment on Hitler on April 20, the 122nd anniversary of his birth, the French news agency AFP reported. The 30-second piece praised Hitler for his "economic and moral contribution" to Germany.

AFP also reported pro-Hitler vandalism in Lithuania, including three flags with Nazi swastikas raised on a hill near the center of the capital city, Vilnius, and anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi slogans left on banners near a synagogue in Kaunas. The perpetrators have not yet been caught.

Lithuanian authorities strongly condemned the latter incidents.

"They are an attack on the Lithuanian state and civil society," the country's foreign ministry said in a statement. "They incite hatred toward the Lithuanian Jewish community and should be treated as a provocation against Lithuania."

In Hungary, the pro-Hitler piece that aired on online channel N1 praised the Nazi leader, who "rapidly re-launched the destroyed, impoverished Germany," and blasted the "political witch-hunt of the victorious powers," notably "the Anglo-Saxon and Bolshevik allies," for attacking his legacy.

N1's launch in December was announced by Jobbik leader Gabor Vona, whose party entered parliament last year with 12 percent of the votes.

The station's mission is to present news that is "not available or shown only in a distorted way in the mainstream media," according to the AFP report.

In contrast to Lithuania, there was no mainstream or governmental response to the Hungarian broadcast.
 

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I never said you should stop talking. Unlike in Western forums, where people are banned for speaking against popular views, we do not ban people here so easily. You are free to make a fool out of yourself if you wish, it is your inalienable right :thumb:
I do not care how You see me, or how others see me.

You are obviously too biased to debate these matters with a clear head. I doubt you can even define or differentiate between Marxism, Leninism, and/or National Socalism (Nazism). All those ideologies are very, very different.
Biased? History teach us that any socialist state ends as a poor country.

Look at PRL it was name give my country by socialists after WWII when they took control over the counry even if people do not wanted them (yes, the remnants of Home Army < Armia Krajowa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > were even fighting against Soviets and new socialist goverment by short period of time and in some regions of country, unfortunetly they were too weak and Soviets were determined to destroy Home Army), how we ended? We debt (yes yes, these briliant socialists take debt that we are paying up to this day), destroyed economy (oh look, great socialism destroyed our economy, but how, socialism in theory should make economy strong!), socialism were trying to destroy traditions, culture even family relationships, and partially they succeded here.

So please explain me, how I can like socialism and socialists? My grandpa was socialist, fine man yes, he really belived in that system, and what happened? He ended as normal poor man with small pension, and his collegues from party were all bunch of thiefes that stolen for example materials to build buildings, money, everything.

Socialism is a cancer, patology. My father and his friends were talking about how life was poor back then, how they were hating socialists, and they lived in that system, in real socialism, not in Your fantasy.

Cuba today is undoubtedly in a much better shape than it was under a U.S. puppet gov't. That is obvious to anyone who knows the facts.
Pfff, facts, what facts, that because their brilliant leader they are poor? Maybe they should really think how to kill their socialist leaders and try to rebuild their economy in normal system.

As I said before, I think you are too biased due to your experiences in living in a Soviet puppet country.
We were not that puppet, in fact Soviets were affraid that LWP (Peoples Armed Forces) will go against Soviets, many officers in LWP were against both SU and socialism, even our socialist leaders had balls to go against decisions made in SU, for examle Gomułka.

But this is not a reason to love socialism, that real socialism, not utopia You belive in.

Ask people that escaped from North Korea how great socialism is, they will so happy in it that they decided to escape. So yeah, socialism is great system.
 

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Right Wing Elements Celebrate Hitler's Birthday

Right-wing elements in Hungary and Lithuania marked Adolf Hitler's birthday.

A Hungarian online news channel backed by the extreme-right party Jobbik aired a segment on Hitler on April 20, the 122nd anniversary of his birth, the French news agency AFP reported. The 30-second piece praised Hitler for his "economic and moral contribution" to Germany.

AFP also reported pro-Hitler vandalism in Lithuania, including three flags with Nazi swastikas raised on a hill near the center of the capital city, Vilnius, and anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi slogans left on banners near a synagogue in Kaunas. The perpetrators have not yet been caught.

Lithuanian authorities strongly condemned the latter incidents.

"They are an attack on the Lithuanian state and civil society," the country's foreign ministry said in a statement. "They incite hatred toward the Lithuanian Jewish community and should be treated as a provocation against Lithuania."

In Hungary, the pro-Hitler piece that aired on online channel N1 praised the Nazi leader, who "rapidly re-launched the destroyed, impoverished Germany," and blasted the "political witch-hunt of the victorious powers," notably "the Anglo-Saxon and Bolshevik allies," for attacking his legacy.

N1's launch in December was announced by Jobbik leader Gabor Vona, whose party entered parliament last year with 12 percent of the votes.

The station's mission is to present news that is "not available or shown only in a distorted way in the mainstream media," according to the AFP report.

In contrast to Lithuania, there was no mainstream or governmental response to the Hungarian broadcast.
These are not right wingers but bunch of morons.

I have a question. When the hell left wing media stop bashing us right wingers and stop making false connections to neonazis?

Right wing movements and politicians are against rasizm and nazism, when the hell left wingers understood this?
 

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It is a freedom issue, if people do not want Euro, we are going back to national currency, if people do not want be a part of EU anymore, country should bail out from EU, it is that simple.

And I will not hide the fact that I hate EU, as same as I hate any other form of socialism and unit oppresion.
what the hell are you talking about? :D this is not a euro zone currency issue, its way bigger than that... it a global crisis issue..you may hate europe - but that does not make this issue a " bad europe for not allowing greek public to tank the world" thang. :p
 
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lol since when is north korea a socialist country ? even cuba isn't a socialist country. first off there needs to be democracy. in short you dont know anything.

by using your same warped logic capitalism is a bunch of shit because look at pakistan...they are not socialist or communist.
 

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These are not right wingers but bunch of morons.

I have a question. When the hell left wing media stop bashing us right wingers and stop making false connections to neonazis?

Right wing movements and politicians are against rasizm and nazism, when the hell left wingers understood this?
That article was posted by an Israeli newspaper...now dont tell me that israelis are also leftists :tsk:
 

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lol since when is north korea a socialist country ? even cuba isn't a socialist country. first off there needs to be democracy. in short you dont know anything.

by using your same warped logic capitalism is a bunch of shit because look at pakistan...they are not socialist or communist.
This means that You don't know what socialism is and what capitalism is.

Hell even Soviet Union leaders were talking all the time that communism never happend, SU was socialist state.

That article was posted by an Israeli newspaper...now dont tell me that israelis are also leftists :tsk:
Many of them.
 

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