Greece Just Sold Its Giant Zubr-Class Hovercraft To China

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    Greece Just Sold Its Giant Zubr-Class Hovercraft To China | Nwo Report

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    The Chinese Navy has put their money where their mouth is when it comes to their interest in the world’s largest hovercraft. They have already bought two giant Zubr Class hovercraft from Ukraine, and are building two in China. Apparently four of these mammoths are not enough in the short-term, as China has now purchased Greece’s entire inventory of Zubr Class hovercraft outright.

    The story of the Soviet-era Zubr Class, how Greece, a NATO country, ended up buying them in the first place and how and why China got their hands on the design is a pretty amazing story, one you can read all about here. But what is most eye opening is that Greece is selling China a unique ‘access’ capability, one that could have a large impact on other NATO friendly countries in the Pacific region.

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    Kleftos Priapos, spokesperson for the Hellenic Navy stated:

    “As the Zubrs were all constructed in either Russia or Ukraine, the sale of these hovercraft does not violate any current NATO rules against arms transfers to China.”

    Seeing as Greece does need the money and has used the giant and complex landing craft less and less over the last decade, the move to sell them seems logical. Although, it is unclear how other NATO members will take it, primarily the US. Regardless of what America thinks, China will soon boast a uniquely credible, high-speed, far over-the-horizon beach landing capability. One that can be deployed without the use of nearby large amphibious warships equipped with well decks along with their lumbering escorts.

    It is not exactly clear what China will do with their ex-Hellenic Navy Zubrs, maybe a portion of the fleet will be used for parts, although this is doubtful seeing as China can now build new parts at will. It is more likely that these four high-speed heavy hitting hovercraft will be upgraded with modern defensive and navigation systems, just as China’s existing Zubr Class hovercraft have been and put to work in the active fleet. As to their exact mission, or target as it may be, there is still no definitive answer, but seeing that China’s expanding claims on islands far to its south and east, it is quite likely that these will become quite controversial and feared weapons in the region.
     
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    China will copy it and sell it to the Pakistanis on 'friendly rates' or even gift it since Pakistan will not be able to pay or even maintain it and then weep as they did with the Chinese locomotives.

    Imagine what is OK for China is not OK for Pakistan.

    Biting the hand that feeds.
     
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    Which Island China chose for Invasion?
     
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    Nicobar and Andamans
     
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    first conquer Senkaku Islands, spartly island, Philippines Taiwan and then think about Andaman. Still you want to get your Butt Kicked be my guest and try, and don't cry when we blockade your oil supply.........
     
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    Greece needs 300 bln euro to payoff their debts. I wonder what else they are going to sell off.

    This story will get interesting if China offers to payoff the Greek debt. Hypothetical ofcourse.
     
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    Is it ?

    India needs to establish firm defences on those Islands then.
     
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    They can start selling their islands. Already proposed by Germans.
     
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    Isn't it obvious that @amoy was trying to rile you up? How would hovercraft that won't fit in LPD well decks help in invading the Nicobar islands? Really?


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    A huge hovercraft need not dock.

    It can stand away and release smaller crafts to do the trick.
     
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    rational reply didn't work on him so replied in the same language which he would understand......... so i riled him up back....
     
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    The problem with that argument is the Zubr's range is circa 500km. The distance between the Nicobar islands and the nearest Chinese naval base is more than a thousand kilometers.


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    How far is Great Coco island from Andaman and Nicobar?

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    Exactly why we need to turn the Andaman islands into a fortress as my article states!

    The use of the cocos would need the blessings of the Burmese military , not to mention the added problem of transporting the Zubr to the cocos in the first place. Add to that the additional problem of hiding the men, armor and material any amphibious force would need to man and equip the Zubrs and you have a massive problem for the Chinese to solve before deploying the zubrs against the Andamans.And to add to the problems of the PLA the whole time the zubrs are in the cocos they are in the eyesights and range of ground based aircraft from the IAF.In short i do not see that happening.

    Make no mistake about it the Zubrs are intended for one purpose primarily ,that is invade Taiwan supported by massive numbers of aircraft and missiles hitting Taiwanese defence positions the Zubrs could in theory rapidly get an amphibious force across the straits faster than the Taiwanese could respond.
     
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    More or less what @bengalraider posted.

    It would not be feasible to use Great Coco island as a Zubr launching point, nor is it certain that Myanmar would allow such

    The only Chinese military bases suitable for such a launch, are as I said, OVER A THOUSAND KILOMETERS AWAY, more than triple the range of a Zubr on a troop transfer mission.

    The PLAN's designated role for the Zubr has next to zero bearing on India. It would be next to impossible to use them against Indian territory.

    With regards to Taiwan, the Paracel's and China's small holdings within the Spratly's, possible applications of the Zubrs as transport platforms is endless...

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    You underestimate the chicanery the Chinese are capable of.

    Are these being bought for tourism?
     
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    Now you're just scare mongering. "The Chinese" are capable of quite a lot, but using Zubrs to land on Indian territory is not on the list.

    No. In the post you just quoted, I said Taiwan and the South China Sea Islets are perfect arenas for Zubr deployment, and probably the reason the PLAN bought them.


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    I apologise.

    I forgot that you are the CCP Defence and Strategic spokesman.
     
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