Good News: Have issued detailed instructions for deportation of Rohingya Muslims, government says

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Rohingya Issue: Why Deny It Is About Religion When Indian Muslims Have Made It So?



The Rohingya refugee issue – where the government wants to deport some 40,000 of them who are illegally staying in India claiming persecution in Myanmar – will never get resolved unless we call a spade a spade and stop trying to be politically correct.

While it is true that some Rohingyas may be security threats, it is highly unlikely that the vast majority of them are. The real issue is their religion, as self-styled “secular liberals” have been pointing out. While the government has been talking about deporting Rohingyas, its politically correct position has been given the lie not by the majority community, but by Indian Muslims. The threats, noisy street protests and aggressive postures have come almost entirely from Indian Muslims and Islamists, some of whom have gone to the extreme of threatening India and Indians on this issue.

Over the last one month, we have seen a Kolkata cleric threatening bloodshed in India, protests have been organised by Muslim organisations in Kerala, West Bengal and Uttar Pradesh, Kashmiri separatists have rallied for the Rohingya cause (but not their own kith and kin among Hindu pandits), a Kashmiri band has sung in sympathy with the Rohingyas, and Muslims abroad have been loudly orchestrating solidarity with their “persecuted” co-religionists. There has been no Muslim outrage anywhere in the world over Muslims being persecuted in Islamic countries, whether it is Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, or Turkey or Iran and Iraq.

In short, it is Muslims in India and abroad who have formally communalised the Rohingya issue. We have not seen Hindu street protests in favour of deportation, except for some shrill voices on social media.

This is the outcome of India’s wishy-washy position on illegal immigration and refugees. To talk about deporting 40,000 Rohingyas is fantasy, not least when we have been unable to do anything about deporting millions of illegal Bangladeshis, who have not only destabilised our north-east, but also spread out all over India and quietly inserted themselves into voters’ lists and subsidy systems.

Let’s be clear: deportation is not an option right now, for deportation presumes cooperation on the part of the Myanmar government. We can push a few hundred Rohingyas across the border, but we do not have the means to stop them from coming over again through another section of the porous border and melting quietly into India’s Muslim ghettos. This is what happened with Bangladeshi Muslims, who came in as economic refugees, and were not the targets of any political oppression back home. On the contrary, rogue Islamists, who are threatening the Bangladeshi government are being provided shelter in West Bengal.

If we want to deal with the issue, we need to be clear about our objectives, and morally and legally support our positions. We need to acknowledge the following:

One, we must and should give priority for refugee status, immigration rights and citizenship to persecuted minorities among Indic religions, not Muslims. This may sound illiberal, but consider this question: how many Hindu/Indic countries are there in the world, and how many Christian and Muslim ones? How can it be India’s priority to try and treat everyone equally, when India is the ultimate guarantor of the life, liberty and religious rights of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, and a number of smaller tribal and other faiths originating in India? While some non-Indian Buddhists may yet find some Buddhist countries willing to take them in small numbers, and Christian refugees in the west, only India can accommodate, peacefully assimilate and help Hindu, Sikh and Jain refugees by the lakhs and millions. India has to retain its special relationship as guarantor of the rights of members of Indic faiths first.

Two, does this mean we should not take in genuine Muslim refugees from our neighbouring countries? No, but they are second priority. We need to be clear that they will always be refugees, and will not be given citizenship or voting rights. They should be first priority for Islamic countries who loudly comment on alleged Muslim persecution in India. Since this won’t happen, these refugees have to go back to their countries of origin at some point. Thus, if Pakistani Ahmaddiyas, Bahais, Shias or Christians turn up in India as refugees, we can shelter them in camps and ask the United Nations to provide the wherewithal for feeding and taking care of them; but they should not expect to become citizens or be treated as Indians.

However, children born to them on Indian soil can become Indian voters and citizens. This should force India to think clearly. If we do not want to add to refugees making India their permanent home, we need to make it possible for them to return to their country of origin within five or 10 years. Or the problem will become insoluble. We have broadly adopted the right strategy of seeking to invest in Rakhine state of Myanmar, and we could do so in Bangladesh too, so that the economic incentive to cross borders is lower.

Three, there is the question of economic refugees – mostly from Bangladesh. We cannot deport them even if we want to. The only logical way forward is to identify them and remove them from voters’ lists. We also need to make a change in our citizenship laws. An illegal Bangladeshi immigrant who is discovered today should be deemed to have entered the country on the date of detection, and not the date he got himself into voters’ lists or obtained a ration card. This will allow us to postpone the issue of giving him citizenship by naturalisation at a later date, though his children born in India will remain citizens by birth.

We talk about Rohingyas being a threat to security, but millions of Bangladeshis who are directly impacting our politics are being seen as no threat by our “liberals”. The US went ballistic when Russians allegedly tried to influence their elections by hacking into sensitive emails, but in India we actively encourage illegals to vote and distort elections.

To sum up, we must be clear that India needs to prioritise the interests of minorities among Indic religions who are persecuted in the neighbourhood or who have to seek economic upliftment in India. This is the logic of our allowing the Nepalese to live and work here, but not Bangladeshis. The last thing we need is to import trouble by treating all religious refugees as equal. India does not owe this to the world or itself.

The government’s decision to amend the Citizenship Act and to grant permanent stay visas to the Buddhist, Hindu, Christian and Sikh refugees who came to India illegally before December 2014, due to persecution in the neighbouring countries, is the right one. It could also cover some of the Muslim minorities in Pakistan, but as a second priority. The “secular liberal” attempt to muddy the waters by pretending that Muslims from neighbouring countries deserve the same treatment is wrong. If Muslims are persecuting Muslims, they should be busy fighting these wrongs in their countries, not from India.

What India should not do is try and equate the rights of genuinely persecuted minorities like the Hindus, Chakmas or Hajongs of the neighbourhood with those of Bangladeshi, Pakistani or Myanmar Muslims. The latter can be given temporary refuge, but with no presumption of ultimate citizenship.

The last thing we need is to import trouble by treating all religious refugees as equal. India does not owe this to the world or itself.

damn hard-hitting article from Jaggi saar in a long time I guess!
@Project Dharma - no socialism this. :D
I don't think any of these Rohingays are gonna be deported anymore
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I don't think any of these Rohingays are gonna be deported anymore
Sad :crying:
likely. quoting from the same article:

This is the outcome of India’s wishy-washy position on illegal immigration and refugees. To talk about deporting 40,000 Rohingyas is fantasy, not least when we have been unable to do anything about deporting millions of illegal Bangladeshis, who have not only destabilised our north-east, but also spread out all over India and quietly inserted themselves into voters’ lists and subsidy systems.

Let’s be clear: deportation is not an option right now, for deportation presumes cooperation on the part of the Myanmar government. We can push a few hundred Rohingyas across the border, but we do not have the means to stop them from coming over again through another section of the porous border and melting quietly into India’s Muslim ghettos. This is what happened with Bangladeshi Muslims, who came in as economic refugees, and were not the targets of any political oppression back home. On the contrary, rogue Islamists, who are threatening the Bangladeshi government are being provided shelter in West Bengal.
 

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British freelance writer questions Pakistans hypocrisy over Rohingya issue
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[Pakistan], Sept. 25 (ANI): A British freelance writer and photographer currently based in Pakistan has questioned Islamabad's hypocrisy over the Rohingya issue and said that the crisis in Myanmar has brought into focus the deplorable plight of Pakistan's own Rohingya population.

"Most Rohingyas in Pakistan have been unable to obtain citizenship and many do not even have a national identity card, preventing them from access to public schools, government run healthcare and such everyday things as opening a bank account," Usman Ahmad said in an opinion piece published in The Diplomat.

Explaining about Rohingyas living in Pakistan, he said an estimated to number 500,000 Rohingya families first settled in the port city of Karachi in 1962 after the coup d'etat which marked the beginning of authoritarian rule in the country and their numbers increased during the 1980s as the military regime of General Zia ul Haq brought them over to study in madrassas and participate in the Afghan jihad.

Highlighting the plight of Rohingyas in Pakistan, the writer said the visceral effects can be seen in the slummy neighborhoods of Karachi which the Rohingya mainly inhabit and which are deprived of the most basic facilities forcing the community to live in squalor.

"There are other frequent hostilities: one of the chief complaints of Karachi's Rohingya is the routine harassment they face from the city's police for their lack of valid documents and local crime," he said.

Ahmad questioned as to what tolerance can Pakistan expect from Myanmar for its Muslim minorities when it is unwilling to apply similar levels of tolerance back homw?

"In truth, this question possesses little value as few if any in Pakistan will be able to recognize its legitimacy. The vast majority of Pakistanis have given over to an entrenched and self-perpetuating narrative that mirrors the same notions of identity which the Burmese use to justify their oppression of the Rohingya," he said.

" Driven by the idea that Pakistan is a bastion of Islam, the rights and needs of Muslims trump all others as any potential sympathy for minorities is removed lest it undermine the wider Muslim cause. The real danger though lies in this way of thinking and Pakistan would do well to remember the extremism bred from its own culture when it champions the rights of oppressed people elsewhere," he further said.

Rohingyas are trying to fled Myanmar due to violence in the Rakhine state that has claimed lives of at least 100 people and displaced more than 2, 00,000.

Myanmar troops launched a crackdown in the Rakhine state in response to attacks on three border posts on October 9 that killed nine police officers, since then many Rohingya Muslims have tried to move into Bangladesh illegally.

Following a Rohingya rebel attack that killed 12 security forces last month, the military launched "clearance operations" that left 400-3000 dead and many more injured and over 400,000 Rohingyas fleeing to Bangladesh.

Rohingyas are not recognised by Myanmar as its citizens and are called Bengali by them. (ANI)


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I am pretty sure India does not have birthright citizenship? The children should never be able to get citizenship in a perfect system.
The main problem is if they are able to make Leftist states like kerala and bengal,it would be very very very tedious task to get them out,their fellow biradars will go out on the streets to burn cars and damage public properties.And the centre will back down.


We should have stopped them from entering at all.

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If GOI is not able to deport Rohingyas back to Myanmar or Bangladesh,which is quite likely, then the next best would be to round them up and corral them in refugee camps which are heavily guarded; separate the males and females and children. Round them up from Jammu and remove them from the state entirely, citing Article 370 which disallows non Kashmiris from settling in the state of J & K. Ideally this refugee camp can be on an island or some remote place from the Indian mainland so they cannot slip back. Bangladesh seems to have the right idea as they are planning to build refugee camps on some islands.

http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...t-be-forced-to-move-to-remote-island-4860867/
 

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What is the current status of deportation. MHA has issued circular to concerned states. What is the next step. Will the deportation not begin till PIL is decided over in SC. What is the Govt waiting for...????
 

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Turkey President Erdogan Accuses Myanmar of Buddhist Terror' Against Rohingya
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Turkey President Erdogan Accuses Myanmar of 'Buddhist Terror' Against Rohingya
Rohingya Muslims, fled from ongoing military operations in Myanmars Rakhine state, stand in line to receive humanitarian aids at a makeshift camp in Teknaff, Bangladesh on September 22. (via Getty Images)

Istanbul: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday accused the security forces in Myanmar of waging a "Buddhist terror" against the Rohingya Muslim minority in the country, hundreds of thousands of whom have fled to neighbouring Bangladesh.
Erdogan, who has repeatedly highlighted the plight of the Rohingya, again accused the Yangon government of carrying out a "genocide" against the people in Rakhine state.


In a speech in Istanbul, Erdogan lamented the failure of the international community to lay sanctions against the Myanmar government over its campaign.
"There is a very clear genocide over there," Erdogan said.

Erdogan, who has held talks by phone with Myanmar's key leader the Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung Sang Suu Kyi, added: "Buddhists always get represented as envoys of goodwill."

"At the moment, there is a clear Buddhist terror in Myanmar... I don't know how you can gloss over this with yoga, schmoga. This is a fact here. And all humanity needs to know this."

More than 430,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled across the border to Bangladesh from a military campaign which the UN says likely amounts to ethnic cleansing of the stateless minority.

Before the most recent surge of violence, there were over one million Rohingyas in Myanmar's restive Rakhine state in the west of the overwhelmingly Buddhist country.

Erdogan, himself a pious Muslim, takes a sharp interest in the fate of Muslim communities across the world and notably sees himself as a champion of the Palestinian cause.

Returning for a key personal theme, he lambasted the international community for being quick to denounce "Islamic terror" but not "Christian terror", "Jewish terror" or "Buddhist terror".





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Turkey President Erdogan Accuses Myanmar of Buddhist Terror' Against Rohingya
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Turkey President Erdogan Accuses Myanmar of 'Buddhist Terror' Against Rohingya
Rohingya Muslims, fled from ongoing military operations in Myanmars Rakhine state, stand in line to receive humanitarian aids at a makeshift camp in Teknaff, Bangladesh on September 22. (via Getty Images)

Istanbul: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday accused the security forces in Myanmar of waging a "Buddhist terror" against the Rohingya Muslim minority in the country, hundreds of thousands of whom have fled to neighbouring Bangladesh.
Erdogan, who has repeatedly highlighted the plight of the Rohingya, again accused the Yangon government of carrying out a "genocide" against the people in Rakhine state.


In a speech in Istanbul, Erdogan lamented the failure of the international community to lay sanctions against the Myanmar government over its campaign.
"There is a very clear genocide over there," Erdogan said.

Erdogan, who has held talks by phone with Myanmar's key leader the Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung Sang Suu Kyi, added: "Buddhists always get represented as envoys of goodwill."

"At the moment, there is a clear Buddhist terror in Myanmar... I don't know how you can gloss over this with yoga, schmoga. This is a fact here. And all humanity needs to know this."

More than 430,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled across the border to Bangladesh from a military campaign which the UN says likely amounts to ethnic cleansing of the stateless minority.

Before the most recent surge of violence, there were over one million Rohingyas in Myanmar's restive Rakhine state in the west of the overwhelmingly Buddhist country.

Erdogan, himself a pious Muslim, takes a sharp interest in the fate of Muslim communities across the world and notably sees himself as a champion of the Palestinian cause.

Returning for a key personal theme, he lambasted the international community for being quick to denounce "Islamic terror" but not "Christian terror", "Jewish terror" or "Buddhist terror".





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Turkey has started to give competition to Pakistan as self-declared protector of ummah.
 

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Facebook suspending accounts of Rohingya activists: Report
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Facebook is reportedly removing posts and suspending accounts of activists who are documenting the "ethnic cleansing" of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar, Daily Beast has reported.

The activists said their accounts are frequently being suspended or taken down and hoped that the social media giant would let them speak the truth.

Myanmar considers the Rohingyas illegal immigrants from neighbouring Bangladesh, whereas Bangladesh considers them Myanmar citizens.

The Myanmar government does not use the term "Rohingya" and does not recognise the people as an official ethnicity, which means they are denied citizenship and effectively rendered stateless.

"We want Facebook to be a place where people can share responsibly and we work hard to strike the right balance between enabling expression while providing a safe and respectful experience," Facebook spokesperson Ruchika Budhraja told Daily Beast on Wednesday.

"In response to the situation in Myanmar, we are carefully reviewing content against our Community Standards," Budhraja added.

Besides repeatedly disabling his accounts, an activist who uses the name Rahim said Facebook has also removed individual posts he put on the site about Rohingya refugees.

"We removed this content because it doesn't follow the Facebook Community Standards," read a message from Facebook.

There are several such examples being reported across Myanmar.

After courting controversy for enabling Russia-controlled accounts to buy ads before the 2016 US presidential election, it has now come to light that Facebook also enabled advertisers to reach "Jew haters" until this week.

Facebook enabled the advertisers to direct their pitches to the news feeds of almost 2,300 people who expressed interest in the topics of "Jew hater", "How to burn jews" or "History of why jews ruin the world", a ProPublica investigation has revealed.

After revealing that fake Russian accounts bought nearly $100,000 of political ads during the 2016 US presidential election campaign on its platform, Facebook has handed over more details to American Special Counsel Robert Mueller.





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