Give Kashmir to Pakistan

[Dark Lord]

I found very interesting discussion about Kashmir issue on quora.

Question: Why shouldn't India give up on Kashmir so that Indians can live peacefully, we can save money that we spend in defence?

• The last ruler of the princely state of Kashmir, Maharaja Hari Singh has acceded his state to the Indian Union. The instrument of accession is disputed by Pakistan. In 2010, UN removed Kashmir from its list of disputes (Jammu and Kashmir out of U.N. list of disputes). It is still a bilateral dispute between India and Pakistan
• India has a responsibility towards all the people of J&K. There is a Hindu majority in Jammu and there are a good number of Buddhists Ladakh region. Among the Muslims of Kashmir region, a certain percentage wants freedom from both India and Pakistan. A certain percentage wants J&K to be made as part of Pakistan. As a combined set of people, they have participated overwhelmingly in J&K state elections - Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly election, 2014. More than 65% of the state electorate participated in the elections that was called as free and fair by UN, EU and other international observers. It is a clear sign of the majority people of the state being a part of India.
• A good percentage of people of the state is very unhappy with the Indian army and AFSPA. It is quite understandable. India has to judiciously evaluate and plan for its removal of AFSPA and Indian army from J&K. No citizen will like the army doing routine checks. We are doing it to prevent terrorist attacks but in the recent past, the terrorist related activity in the state has reduced. May be the army can be in the barracks. We can have a mechanism whereby the state CM, the state Home minister, state police chief and state governor, India's Home minister, and our NSA can evaluate the situation from time to time, or in cases of emergencies and bring in the army if required. This will help improve one of the biggest anger of the state's people.
• We should increase our infrastructure in the state. Already the state's railways is being improved recently. We should continue to make more investments in the state for jobs creation.
• We should engage with the Pakistan government on peaceful resolution of the dispute. There is no point in saying that all of Kashmir belongs to India. It is good to hear, but not practical. The POK has never been ruled by India. It went to Pakistan when Pakistan invaded and occupied it in 1947. Similarly we lost Aksai Chin to China in 1962. Let's forget it, establish peace by discussing and agreeing with Pakistan and China. In fact it would be better to close it with China first and use it as a leverage with Pakistan. Let us govern well the part of J&K we currently rule.
• Pakistan army and their terrorists will try to disrupt peace between the two countries. Let us be reasonably mature in dealing with the Pakistan government. Ending the peace talks is what the terrorists and Pakistan army wants and we should not make their jobs easier by stopping peace talks for slightest provocation. If there is an event like 26/11 Mumbai attacks, we can definitely suspend the talks and force Pakistan to take action against terrorists.
• Let us also assure Pakistan that the Indus waters treaty will continue with probably mutually agreed modifications to suit the present requirements of the two countries. Pakistan has a major worry on that part.

The above are the right steps to improve peace and optimize our defense expenditure. Giving up what is legally and morally a part of India is unreasonable and is nothing but abandoning all the people of the state, many of whom are happy to be part of India.

Ignore the so called activists who cry for freedom for Kashmiris. They don't give a damn for the Kashmiri Pandits, or the Buddhists of Ladakh or the Kashmiris who have voted in large percentage in our elections. They want to score brownie points against Indian government, BJP, the PM Mr. Modi etc.

If we abandon Kashmir for either freedom or to join Pakistan, imagine the fate of the Kashmiri Hindus, the Buddhists, the Shias of Kashmir living in areas like Kargil who have stood by India and the people of Kashmir region who have voted in Indian elections. Pakistan will quickly gobble the region and make any independence they have to disappear and the fate of these people will be the same as the fate of minorities in Pakistan.

https://www.quora.com/India-Why-sho...ly-we-can-save-money-that-we-spend-in-defence

 

[Dark Lord]

Please don't get me as unpatriotic. I am 100% for Indian integration of Kashmir. But this is an interesting debate stated by our Indian brother. Do we want peace or Kashmir? If both then how?

 

[Filtercoffee]

I think the pay it forward routine is gone. The answer is no, after 71 we made sure it looked bleak for us, but reality for them was they are forced to do it and further timeline incidents would suggest a complete loss for the escapists.

 

[pmaitra]

We cannot give J&K to Pakistan.

• Many rivers originate there, and is vital for India's water security.
• India needs to have access to Central Asia.
• Historically, all lands south and east of the Indicus Caucasus or Hindu Kush was India.

 

[Dark Lord]

We cannot give J&K to Pakistan.

• Many rivers originate there, and is vital for India's water security.
• India needs to have access to Central Asia.
• Historically, all lands south and east of the Indicus Caucasus or Hindu Kush was India.

Thank you for your in-depth strategic answer. But what is to be done to have peace in the Kashmir?

 

[Dark Lord]

I think the pay it forward routine is gone. The answer is no, after 71 we made sure it looked bleak for us, but reality for them was they are forced to do it and further timeline incidents would suggest a complete loss for the escapists.

But the bigger question is peace and stability in kashmir. Doesn't burning Kashmir make us look bad? What impact it has on our GDP?

 

[Razor]

Thank you for your in-depth strategic answer. But what is to be done to have peace in the Kashmir?

Simple.
Split JK into three states and apply Putin's Chechnya solution to Kashmir valley.
PS: Fortify border. Scrap NFU and keep the nukes ready for Pak.
Swift and brutal, that's the game.

 

[sthf]

@Dark Lord Why did you run away like a little bitch from the conversation we were having? Come on man, it was fun.

 

[Dark Lord]

@Dark Lord Why did you run away like a little bitch from the conversation we were having? Come on man, it was fun.

I am constantly being banned from threads and my posts are deleted on regular basis. This is the price I pay for speaking truth.

 

[Razor]

But the bigger question is peace and stability in kashmir. Doesn't burning Kashmir make us look bad? What impact it has on our GDP?

Make us look bad: In front of whom. We don't give a shit.
GDP: Most of India's GDP comes from South India and MH, DL. Stagnation in Kashmir is a waste of Indian resources. It needs to be finished quickly and with a good measure of brutality so that NE knows what's coming.

 

[Mikesingh]

Here's an offer.......




Dum hai?

 

[Dark Lord]

Make us look bad: In front of whom. We don't give a shit.
GDP: Most of India's GDP comes from South India and MH, DL. Stagnation in Kashmir is a waste of Indian resources. It needs to be finished quickly and with a good measure of brutality so that NE knows what's coming.

But isn't kashmir issue drain on Indian resources? How much money we have to keep spending on Kashmir to keep it under control?

 

[Dark Lord]

Simple.
Split JK into three states and apply Putin's Chechnya solution to Kashmir valley.
PS: Fortify border. Scrap NFU and keep the nukes ready for Pak.
Swift and brutal, that's the game.

I agree with you 100% but our politicians don't have will power to do as you said. Our media is sympathetic to stone pelters. what else should we do to solve this?

 

[Ancient Indian]

But isn't kashmir issue drain on Indian resources? How much money we have to keep spending on Kashmir to keep it under control?

That's why we are going to change our tactics in future.

In few years, we are going to have a big black out in the valley. We are going to kill every pro-paki kashmiri muslim in the valley.

Frankly speaking, kashmir is done issue. Worry about POK and Balochistan. Our generation is not exactly peace loving like our old people. There will be rivers of blood on Pak city streets.

 

[sthf]

I am constantly being banned from threads and my posts are deleted on regular basis. This is the price I pay for speaking truth.

Ohh sonny, you thought you could pull a hit & run on me.

Let's try again, what is the kill count of Hindus vis a vis Muslims?

 

[Hiranyaksha]

We will never give Kashmir because of water security. Ab chahe Kashmiriyat Khatam ho Jaye.

 

[Project Dharma]

What's Pakistan giving back? I'd support giving the valley in exchange for Lahore and Nankana Sahib.

 

[Dark Lord]

Here's an offer.......




Dum hai?

There are videos like this on both sides of borders but it is for entertainment purpose only and don't solve any issues.

 

[Dark Lord]

That's why we are going to change our tactics in future.

In few years, we are going to have a big black out in the valley. We are going to kill every pro-paki kashmiri muslim in the valley.

Frankly speaking, kashmir is done issue. Worry about POK and Balochistan. Our generation is not exactly peace loving like our old people. There will be rivers of blood on Pak city streets.

I support your stand 100% but Who will do it? Our government isn't going to take a hard step like this. If they do they will be denounced by our strong independent media? Even if we somehow do this Pak will nuke us and world will sanction us. That means no weapons, no tejas, no submarines, no anything.

So I am not sure how is it going to happen.

 

[Dark Lord]

We will never give Kashmir because of water security. Ab chahe Kashmiriyat Khatam ho Jaye.

I think bigger question is why Kashmiris want to go to Pakistan? why aren't they happy in world's largest democracy and fastest growing economy?