Gilgit Baltistan protest march. Calls on India to help

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  1. Yusuf

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    New Delhi, Apr 11 (ANI): In Gilgit Baltistan, Pakistan's only Shia dominated province ethnic cleansing is being carried out systematically, away from media glare and international attention. Hundreds of Shia Muslims staged a protest in front of the Lahore Press Club on April 10th urging the media to pressurize the Pakistani government to stop the atrocities on its community in Gilgit Baltistan. On April 9th a rally was held in Kargil against targeted killings in GB and local leaders appealed to the Indian government to take up the issue with the international community.

    Gilgit Baltistan formerly known, as Northern Areas was once part of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, which India terms as Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. Maps in India still show Gilgit Baltistan or Northern Areas or PoK as a region within Indian Territory. An Indian parliamentary resolution of 1994 states, "Pakistan must vacate the areas of the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir, which they have occupied through aggression."

    That resolution is gathering dust in some library because we are desperately hunting for confidence building measures with our nuclear neighbour, and in the seventeen years since that resolution was passed, most of India, even Kashmiris, are oblivious to the goings on in Gilgit Baltistan. Laying a claim on that part of Kashmir is not considered 'pragmatic' or 'practical', hence it doesn't figure in Indian official discourse. But that doesn't prevent Pakistan from meddling in the affairs of that part of Kashmir, which is in India's control.

    The Indian foreign office makes no comments on what happens in PoK, treating it, for all practical purposes, as an internal matter of Pakistan. Though according to the Indian parliamentary document it is illegally in Pakistani control. The unanimously passed parliamentary resolution of 1994 also "expresses regret and concern at the pitiable conditions and violations of human rights and denial of democratic freedoms of the people in those areas of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, which are under illegal occupation of Pakistan."

    Pakistan foreign office rarely comments on the affairs of Gilgit Baltistan, as officially GB's status is ambiguous. This impoverished area is governed under the Gilgit Baltistan Order of 2009, which doesn't give the people of this region the same rights as the rest of Pakistan.

    Since the beginning of April scores of Shias are being killed ruthlessly. The estimates number from 40 to 400. The numbers cannot be verified as the area is out of bound for the media or foreigners. In attacks on some public transport vehicles, over 300 men were abducted and nobody has heard of them since. Their families are not hopeful of finding even their bodies. In Chilas male passengers were physically examined for telltale marks of self-flagellation (Shia) and then executed. In Nagar there are rumours of 30 being stoned to death.

    Locals say that the Kohistan and Chilas incidents where cold-blooded mass murders took place were planned and supported by the Pakistani establishment, which is bent on terrorising the people and changing the demographics of GB.

    Terror camps which were being run here openly with the active support of the Pakistani Army have bred hundreds of Sunni jihads of the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) who are running loose now all across Gilgit Baltistan, killing Shia Muslims. Interior Minister Rehman Malik tried to deny the sectarian nature of the conflict saying some "hidden forces are involved." But the Inspector General of Gilgit Baltistan, Hussain Asghar went on record to say, "I don't think there is any foreign hand involved in the sectarian riots."

    Gilgitis have been voicing their concern for several years now that their region is under Taliban attack from the Waziristan region and being used as safe havens for jehadis, supported by the Salafi elements in the Pakistan Army.

    At the 13th session of the UN Human Rights Council Abdul Hamid Khan of the Balwaristan National Front said, " Human rights abuses are widespread and common in Gilgit Baltistan for many decades but the absence of local media and independent judiciary have helped Islamabad to hide its illicit practices..."

    Shias, Ismailis and moderate Sunnis are under threat in Gilgit Baltistan as ethnic cleansing is systematically being carried out by radical elements in Pakistani society. Due to the vital link to China through the Karakoram Highway, GB is a strategic asset for Pakistan. The demographic change it seeks to do there is with aim of bringing the region into its iron grip with total disregard to human rights and international law. By Smita Prakash (ANI)
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    India seriously needs to exploit this situation.
     
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    This is perfect time (Weather), we should try to take Gilgit-Balistan seriously. We will get support also from some community in GB.

    In Gilgit, Shia bus passengers killed after being examined for marks of self-flaggelation
    The Gilgit knot - thenews.com.pk
     
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    Sectarian killings in Gilgit Baltistan

    THE killing of about 15 passengers of the Shia community, after they were taken off the buses in the Chilas area, Diamer district, is a gruesome act of violence.

    The trail of sectarian unrest dates back to the radical Islamisation policies of former military dictator Gen Zia. The sectarian monster is raising its ugly head in the country.

    In Gilgit Batistan this menace emerged after the 1980s when fanatics from tribal areas, Kohistan and Diamer attacked Gilgit.

    The planned and organised settlement of non-locals from tribal areas, Kohistan, Kashmir and some parts of Punjab further deteriorated the situation.

    It totally changed the demography of the locals. In the 1990s the ratio of locals to non-locals was 4:1 but now it has been raised to 4:3.

    The consecutive trail of untoward incidents and growth of unrest in GB shows that sectarianism is officially being promoted as a calibrated policy to keep people engaged in trivial issues.

    Keeping in mind the sensitivity and geographical importance of GB, the divide and rule policy must be shunned, as India already claims that GB is its integral part. GB might be the second Balochistan if the grievances of this region are not entertained.

    Sectarian killings in Gilgit Baltistan | DAWN.COM

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    POK (which they call Azad kashmir) is already gone case as majority of population are Non-Kashmiri and all of them are Anti-Indian Islamist. Small area with lots of military establishment surrounding. Our only hope is GB. We have to take the issue aggressively before it's too late.
     
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    INDIA has got to use the given hands on opportunity to get back what is our's and it is come at a right time for us to make the world know that the PoK is an integral part of INDIA and no one can claim this from us.........
     
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    GB is all I care for. We need to move now. Three major movements in Pak, Balochistan, Sindh and Balwaristan. India has to help in all possible ways. Money, material, moral, diplomatic.
     
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    Yusuf bhai do you think the present GoI is ready to do so?

    I think they lack the political will to do so and if they select to do so, even then the Americans might put some pressure to wait for some more time as that was the case even during the aftermath of 26/11, when INDIA opted to strike Pakistan.
     
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    True but we won't get any major advantage from Balochistan, Sindh. It will for short duration and it may or may not happen. We can't use Military but mere money + diplomatic support will do.

    GB is altogether different case and it's our land. It's gateway to reach A'than, Central Asia and beyond and it will also break strategic relation between Pak-China nexus. Also, population is very less there. A huge area with population only 1.8 million. (as per their 2008 census). But according to 1998 data, it was only 8.7 Lakh. Population doubled in 10 years. What i feel is after successfully changing the demographic of POK (next to Jammu), Now they are doing in GB. By 2018 or 2028, GB will have moderate population density with majority of them will be Anti-Indian. It will become more difficult. We don't need hostile region but region that can be changed as per our wish.
     
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    Nope. To assuage GOI and MMS, zardari came with peace. Let the peace return to pakistan and the internal violence get back to normal and u will see that they will return to normal. They are buying time which they desperately need. They sell us hope everytime and take it back after sometime.They are well aware of the fact that if they don't sell us peace, then India won't hesitate to go to war. Classic strategic move used by them everytime
     
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    We must focuse on GB more.
    @Galaxy,don't have much idea about sindhudesh but Baloch struggle will continue.
     
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    Gilgit Baltistan protest march. Calls on India to help

    GOI does not have political will nor balls to help GB, better they approach Afghanistan for help.
     
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    Gilgit-Balistan might be the second Balochistan if the grievances of this region are not entertained. Baloch struggle will surely continue but it's not something which will not make huge difference to us. Afterall, it will be separate country. Also, I am bit pessimist about role of Iran because part of Balochistan also exist in Iran. For us, GB is much more important than Balochistan.
     
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    We don't want Pak to address any grievances and the pot should boil.
     
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    True GB is a part of our country.Balochistan's Kalat also could have been our part if Nehru accepted the Nawab of Kalat's letter of accession.
    Anyway if Pak really pisses of the US, then they can say bye-bye to Balochistan.
     
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    True.

    “Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen.” GoI should take the issue actively, seriously and aggressively. Nothing will happen until we do something.
     
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    LoL dodos in south block are eating samosas rather than making plans to take back gilgit-baltistan.

    :tsk:
     
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    There were protests agains the ISI even in the so-called Azad JK in 2010

    Check out these videos from POK





     
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    subcidised samosa
     
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    we must armed people in gb against chinese
     

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