Ghatkopar blast brain arrested from Hyderabad

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  1. KS

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    Ghatkopar blast brain arrested from Hyderabad - Mumbai - DNA

    Its really really sad and alarming that even educated people are falling for the evil of terrorism.
     
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    These days the highly educated find extremist philosophy very inviting.

    You can look at yourself too and many other educated who want to go extreme right to make two wrongs a right!

    i think what is is happening is that as one becomes more educated and reads a lot more, indulges in propaganda or gets attracted to propaganda as we see all round, he is more bound to fall into the extremist trap.

    All I can say is may God/Allah/Bhagwan give better sense to all such people.
     
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    So death sentence or he'll play the victim card?
     
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    @blank_quest Correlation vs Causation, much ?

    Rather than blame this on education, can you not blame this on economic development ? Correlation is with economic development too.

    But what are the actual cause/causes of rising extremism worldwide ?

    What may seem extreme to you, may seem justifiably right to another.

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    I think, and this just struck me. Major epiphany alert.

    Humans are naturally loss-averse, and if someone is heading towards extremism(in your opinion) this means he is in fear of losing, and to avoid it, he is moving towards extremism. This loss could be notional/actual etc.

    So one must investigate which type of loss one is trying to avert to find out the cause of one turning extremist(again in your opinion)

    To investigate the kind of loss one can go either the man as a moralistic creature model the mammalian/evolutionary model, the neuroscience model, the primitive model etc.

    @pmaitra @panduranghari @Sakal Gharelu Ustad can the loss aversion theory be applied to this situation ?
     
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    Education has nothing to do with Extremism or Jihad...It's your ideology, upbringing, family values, perceived (ghetto) religious biases written in imperialist religious texts et al.... is what creates extremists!

    This has been the biggest problem for past 1400 yrs or perceived by many as a solution for Islam! You always want to follow the culture of your master in this case the vile Baudouin culture!

    When killing and maiming of other faiths are justified by your so called 'god' then it's open season for the faithful to go ahead and honor the wish of their god!
     
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    I agree sir ji but 10 years I hope enough evidence was collected although 2 killed but still its pre planned murder so death sentence :)
     
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    thank pro huong dan tiep nhe..
     
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    Not all ore planned murders get death sentences. @sayareakd can shed more light.

    Yes but what we can have is that any person proven to have killed innocents in a terror attack by means of bomb blasts, guns, grenades etc should automatically be given the death sentence
     
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    I think you may right to a certain extent. Some losers in life probably find a "cause" in extremism. Probably gives them a sense of accomplishment when they kill in the name of God/Allah
     
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    Loss aversion is intricately linked to risk aversion, according to which a risk-averse person would avoid a lottery to get some fixed payoff lying between the extreme values of the lottery.

    In the case above, the trade-off would be between losing the cultural identity vis-a-vis losing material comfort. If the chance of losing the cultural identity is higher, the people, who risk the chance of losing this identity, are pushed more towards extremism compared to the general population.

    Now, where does education chip in this scenario? Education not only opens new avenues for personal discovery and employment, but also helps one to develop a world view. Now these educated people with world view are the ones to realize and feel the growing insignificance of their belief system. So, they would turn more towards extremism to stop the drowning civilization and try to recruit others for this cause. Some evidence for the same:
    Education, Poverty, Political Violence and Terrorism: Is There a Causal Connection?
    Abstract from the paper
    So, I think your direction of thought linking loss aversion to extremism in this case makes a lot of sense.
     
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    Seriously ? I take it as a personal insult and libel that you have equated me with this guy

    Do you think I am going around planting bombs and killing innocents ? Do you think I support such a move ? Hell I dont even support killing pakistani civilians by bomb blasts.

    There is a difference between reading to getting to know of the actual history and indulging in propaganda. If I said Babri masjid was built upon a destroyed temple I would be telling the truth..but if I said Taj Mahal is Tejo Mahalay, then I could be accused of indulging in propaganda. Looks like this difference has escaped your processing system in the hurry to blanket everyone in the same cloth.

    And no, God/Allah.Bhagwan need not worry about me.Let him worry about thoes who think its their religious duty to bleed the country that feeds them, kill the people who breathe the same air as his and all for few virgin pussies in jannat.


    He was earning 70,000 per month in Hyd which is way more than enough. But then having 5 kids might complicate things though.
     
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    Interesting, so educated people have a higher chance to fall into the "extremist trap". Others say that poor people turn extreme. Yet according to others its middle class that is "right-winged extremist"

    It seems that falling into the "extremist trap" is common to all types of people no ?

    Singh was referring to relation between loss and extremism.

    God/Allah actually gives a sense of accomplishment and justifies the killing part
     
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    Does it means that if let Minori"tism"+ "Cultural identity" = "Factor Cost", this Factor Cost ~ (+ve'ly correlated with) Risk. so, if Education is added to at "factor cost"

    M(+) + CI(+) = FC()--> Risk Difficult to Determine.-->R()

    M(+) + CI (-) = FC (+) --> Risk Certainly Increases.-->R(+)

    M(-) + CI(+) = FC(-) --> Risk Certainly Diminishes.-->R(-)

    M(-) + CI(-) = FC() -->Risk Difficult to Determine.-->R()

    {+ ==> Increase
    - ==> decrease}
    so,
    { Factor Cost FC == over all Cost to maintain identity and it is "perceptual"; and for FC(-)= Cost decreases and FC(+) = Cost Increases..

    { Risk = R; R(+)==> Risk Increases and R(-) ==> Risk Diminishes }

    { Minori"tism" = M and Cultural Identity = CI when M(-) = Population of M increases or Minori"tism" Decreases,
    and M(+) = Population of M decreases wrt Minority Status or Minori"tism".Increases.... }
    and
    { CI(+)--> gain and CI(-)--> loss of Identity...}

    This means the Education Component E can just Amplify the Risk decreases or Increase .. pretty baffling outcome :confused:
     
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    Sorry, but I could not follow it.

    It would be nice if you can clearly define the terms and provide a better discussion!
     
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    Most insensitive post as you are equating someone who did a bomb blast to KS.

    I must congratulate you on your Taqiyah with which you mask your true intentions to the kafirs.
     
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    I was talking about extremism. Let that be known. People who go extremely right these days at least te ones who sit behind computers and behind propaganda material are educated people.

    @LurkerBaba, the leaders of the movements are usually educated. The foot soldiers are probably not say someone like Anmal Kasab. But again we had educated people blowing themselves up as in London.

    We are just trying to get behind the psyche and analyze what is it about extremism that finds followers.
     
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    This is a common misunderstanding you know. IT really takes some level of technical sophistication to pull off a blast. so most terrorists and their masterminds MUST be well educated.
     
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    :pound: See what I was saying about irrelevant troll equalisations??

    See. You just equated a Hindu right winger with a terrorist. YOU lot are all the same are you not? Whats different from this terrorist and you Sir? Are you of the opinion that all the Hindus who are proud of their heritage and wont give crap to Minorities(which means no to ass licking) deserve death like the terrorist here?
     

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