German official blames China for Somalia's famine

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The point to note is that the Chinese govt's statement and the reality on ground is totally opposite.

    Possibly it is difficult for China to handle the truth.

    It time that foreign investors in making farm an industry, should have more equitable terms wherein famine and food shortages of the host country is avoided.

    Any suggestions?
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Profit with no consideration for environment, rights, society is the order of the day for China.
     
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    Local gov will be held responsible, not outside investors, if the Local gov failed to orgnize people to produce more efficiently, there is nothing anyone can do. China is a very good example for this, China has far less arable land per capital, but managed to produce enough to feed the mass population, and still can export or give relief, which is a phenomino and we should give a lot credit to Chinese gov for it's ability to manage and organize. The poorer a country is the more the country should apply centralized management system to avoid waste limited resources.
     
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    Chinese think by paying money they will own a land in different country for their population to feed while local resident of that land die with hunger ............. if this worsens ppl will revolt and throw this chinese think tanks( who i think should get a mental check up)
    out of their country......... and they have a right to do so
     
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    Replace "investors" with "invaders" and you'd sound just like the British when they talk of their colonial injustices.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    There will come a day when these foreign holders get their land nationalised, it is the vicious cycle of Africa and not to be trusted.
     
  8. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Chinese believe in what Rev Desmond Tutu said, but the Chinese had their own version very similar that led to the starvation of the Africans through famine!

    Rev Desmond Tutu had said:

    The Chinese only believe in their own selfish interest and they have no heart!

    Check their post, no remorse, no sadness.

    Merely brush away the disaster and loss of lives by blaming the Africans.

    Even for the Chinese train disaster they blamed the Japanese and the Swedish for the locomotives.

    They can do no wrong.

    They out Pope the Pope!

    Totally Infallible!!
     
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    No, you get them wrong. They never thought that is right either. They regard it as neccessary evil: develop themselves at the cost of others. After generations, people will forget it. That is the lessons they learned from west.

    And I am sure india would join them very soon.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Typical Chinese obfuscation and deflection to prevent seeing the reality.

    If West did something wrong, it does not mean one has to ape the West and then justify!

    Some people are idiots. They don't know how to do anything without copying, without imitating, without plagiarizing, without aping. It might even have been that man invented generation by coitus after seeing the grasshopper copulate.
     
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    It is an inherently weak and pessimistic mentality to think that you cannot develop without suppreessing others. While this is not the first and last act of this kind in the world history; to try justify it in your manner is even more painful. Sad to know you have such mindset and no thanks we don't want to join you in this bath of tyranny. Don't you dare put me down at your level. We have our own path and will walk it as always have.

    Regards,
    Virendra
     
  12. thinktwicegood

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    another very disgusting claim by German officials. Ironically, the German national broadcasting company "Deutsche Welle" just saw the opposite: at least China does not have any big investment in land in eastern Afica; It's """"""INDIA and US"""""""" which are the biggest investors in eastern africa, especially in Ethiopia which has the worst famine conditions.

    Please see these links:
    中国是否为要为非洲之角的饥荒负责? | 新闻报道 | Deutsche Welle | 2011.07.28
    this link is from the website of Deutsche Welle, German National Broadcasting Company. This interview was in Chinese. you can translate it into English using google.

    Understanding Land Investment Deals in Africa: Ethiopia | oaklandinstitute.org
    this link is about "Ethiopa Land Investment Report" by Oakland Institue, a US based think tank, which shows india and US are the biggest investors in Ethiopa. They do not find any big agricultural investments by China in eastern Afica!!!!!

    the following are from the above Report (page 22 and page 23)

    2.4 Who is Investing?
    The vast majority of investors in Ethiopia are private
    companies, mostly Indian. The OI research team did
    not find any evidence suggesting that investment funds
    or hedge funds were directly investing in assets in the
    country. This does not preclude the possibility that such
    funds are investing in companies that may be investing
    in Ethiopian farmland. In addition, there was evidence of
    only one or two countries directly investing in farmland
    (Djibouti and Egypt).77 As all land is state-owned, all
    investment deals are negotiated between investors and
    either the federal or regional governments. There are no
    deals between private individuals and investors, although
    the transferability of commercial leases may lead to such
    negotiations in the future.
    Anuak women


    Foreign Investors
    While accurate and complete information on the home
    locations of all private foreign investors was not available,
    some trends emerge from available data. Geographically,
    there appears to be substantial investment from the Gulf
    States, as well as substantial investment from India (with
    higher individual land holdings). While China is active
    in the mining and infrastructure development sectors,
    they were surprisingly absent from land investment
    deals. Recent evidence suggests that a Chinese company
    is posed to sign a 25,000 ha concession to produce
    sugarcane in the Gambella region, and this companyclaimed to be the first agricultural company from China
    investing in Ethiopia.79
     

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    I wouldn't call that as copying. It is the same economic principle applied hundreds years ago. As long as you are going through the traditional industriilization path, you have to follow the same economic strategy: finding the resources and markets outside your border. The only difference is the west used gun while chineses use their cheque book.

    Unless india can INVENT another development route as it claims: skip manufacturing stage and get into high-tech directly, such ugly thing would be inevitable. Now, it looks like inida is coming back to the traditional way: developing manufacturing first. So the question would be how india can find these resources and market it needs.
     
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    the Indian do not have the guts to admit that they together with USA should be responsible for the famine in Ethiopia if """Ray""" believes that Land investments from foreigners are the main reason for famine

    Because, you know, indian companies with wallstreet fat cats are the biggest foreign land investors in Ethiopia. Just check the Ethiopia Land Investment Report by USA based thinktank Oakland Institute from the following link

    Understanding Land Investment Deals in Africa: Ethiopia | oaklandinstitute.org
     
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    Typical Chinese.

    Selective.

    From your link on Ethiopia

    Now about having a overview of China and agriculture in Africa.

    Tongzhi, let us look at Africa

     
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    Note the racial undertones in the first part.

    Note the rift between the Chinese and the Africans in the second part.


    Is China colonising Africa?
    Zambian Economist: Is China colonising Africa?

    Same video. Check the African comments:

    Also see in the video how the Chinese are throwing out the local from business by cheap and shoddy products from China, which are produced, as per the famed Chinese innovation method - copy!
     
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    I miss the time when Hilary blamed India for the world famine, Hilary said Indians caused the world famine by starting to have three meals a day.
     
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    Yes we have been causing famine for the past 5000 years.
     
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    Isn't it Angela Merkel of Germany, not Hilary ?
     
  20. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    So, we should not eat three times a day?

    Indian agricultural interest are commercial and it is cash crops oriented.

    Check the link of twiceasgood or whatever poetic name the poster took.

    So, those three meals a day is from crops of the Indian soil.

    But note the greed of the Chinese who have gone to Africa which is ruining the reputation of China. And to top it, they are racists too! Obviously, the locals would be enamoured.

    It is not that the Indian businessmen are angels, but maybe they don't look so 'foreign', they having been in Africa for ages and have become acceptable to the Africans and that is why they have less problems than the Chinese.

    The Indians like to mix with the locals and interact.
     
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    chinese buy resources from africa with money while westerners from EU bomb africa with bombers.......the difference to some extent is just as simple as that.
     
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