General VK Singh - Time to dissolve Parliament

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Should the parliament be dissolved?

  1. Highly irresponsible! Gen V K Singh's going to hell!

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  2. Not irresponsible at all. Gen V K Singh da man!

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  3. Technically, legally and everyotherthing-ally right, ethically wrong. Singh shoulda known better!

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  4. Not controversial Don't know what all the fuss is

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  5. No comment. Difficult to judge.

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  1. Rage

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    Time to dissolve Parliament, says ex-Army chief

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    I'm still wondering why this significant news has not yet been discussed on this forum.

    So in a delayed attempt to spur a discussion, I'm posting the relevant here.

    I want YOUR views on what this obviously very controversial statement means for the holy separation of politics and military in this country:

    - Is the statement responsible/irresponsible? Is the General indulging in crude, and dangerous, politics or is this a genuine statement from one who has sworn the protect the Constitution, and continues that duty even after laying down the uniform?
    - Is the ex-General within his legal right to make it? Has he violated any norms of ethics, crossed an invisible, but respected, threshold with respect to the conduct expected of a former Army chief? Does such a code exist at all, and should it?
    - Does the statement set a negative precedent for the legal, political and ethical dichotomy of the Polity and military? Does it have any impact at all? Or are we just jumping the gun?

    Your views, as expounded and deliberated, please.

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    Time to dissolve Parliament, says ex-Army chief



    Thane, Tue Oct 30 2012, 01:56 hrs

    Previous Army chief Gen (retd) V K Singh formally joined hands with activist Anna Hazare Monday and demanded the immediate dissolution of Parliament and fresh elections saying the government was “not following the constitution”.

    Singh, who has been seen at Hazare’s campaigns after retiring in May, said his “experiences” while traveling across the country over the years had caused him to identify with Hazare’s fight against corruption.

    “The issue is not V K Singh here. The issue is the fight against corruption. My experiences touring the country over the years have led me to join this movement,” he said. He denied that the controversy over his birth date had anything to do with his stance.

    Jointly addressing the media with Hazare, the former Army chief said the two of them had discussed governance in the country at present, and concluded that people had the right to overthrow a government in a democracy if it was found to be inadequate.

    “The government today, instead of being a welfare state, is being driven by market forces and is imposing neo-liberal policies on people. It is not concerned about the well-being of common people but is instead functioning to help private companies make profits. Not even a single member of Parliament has cared to raise this issue,” said Singh.

    “In the midst of corruption and scams, the general public has lost all trust in Parliament. Our parliamentarians are silent on bringing back the black money lying in banks abroad. The new government should get this money back in the country,” Singh said.

    He also criticised the UPA saying its economic reform measures announced in recent weeks such as allowing FDI in multi-brand retail, limiting LPG subsidies and raising the price of diesel only hurt people. “UPA-2 has taken these decisions without the support of the other parties in the coalition,” Singh said.

    The retired general and Hazare also spoke about what they called the exploitation of natural resources such as water, land and forests for the gain of industrialists. “The gap between the rich and the poor is increasing everyday. Instead of protecting the underprivileged sections such as Dalits, Adivasis, fishermen and Muslims, this government is doing nothing for their upliftment,” Singh said.

    He said all political parties need to be open about whether they want to follow neo-liberal policies or those of a welfare-state. “Let all parties put forward their stand on this breach of trust and let the people decide whether they want a government to be run according to the soul and spirit of the constitution or driven by the marker of neo-liberal policies. At the same time, they should also have the right to recall if they feel that the government is not performing,” he said.

    Time to dissolve Parliament, says ex-Army chief - Indian Express


    A poll would be useful, if we could have one.
     
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  3. The Messiah

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    Sounds socialist to me :yey:

    The general's view is idiotic, one cant dissolve parliament on whims. Even if it is dissolved more or less the same chaps will be elected so whats the point ?

    It is my view that the general should enter politics.
     
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    Explain "the general" who is this general
     
  6. Rage

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    Thanks b. Time to change the poll options so we can have five options as below?:-

    1) Highly irresponsible! Gen V K Singh's going to hell!
    2) Not irresponsible at all. Gen V K Singh da man!
    3) Technically, legally and everyotherthing-ally right, although ethically wrong. Singh shoulda known better!
    4) Not controversial at all. Don't know what all the fuss is about!
    5) No comment. Difficult to judge.

    I'll owe you one if you can.
     
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  7. The Messiah

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    Vijay Kumar Singh
     
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    Fixed. But @The Messiah and @devil510 votes now are contrary to their opinion :troll:
     
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    He's simply talking against crony capitalism

    Very cynical, there is no dearth of honest people.

    No comment
     
  10. The Messiah

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    Welfare state!

    They are in the minority in parliament. Some will get re-elected and those who dont will be replaced by a person who's equally as corrupt. Majority of people that get tickets from mainstream political parties are corrupt people only. Independents hardly have any power even if they win which is in anycase quite rare in the grand scheme of things.

    Do comment.
     
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    i don't know which belief are you talking about i am not sure as for politics
    Belief no.1- throw out all politicians bring young people into politics and let them run this country
    Belief no.2- Ramdev and Anna are nautanki and if you believe them you are stupid.
    Belief no.3- BJP and Congress BSP, Akali Dal and especially congress and with them numerous other politicians should be thrown into jail if not just execute them(if not all)
    Belief no.4. I want democracy but run by younger educated and smart people(Anna hazare and ramdev is natuanki him saying he is going to this and that with his part is bullshit)
    Belief no.5.Never ever respect any religious, political leaders,because they are absolutely trash(pundits, baba's and what not)
     
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    Belief no.6. Combine belief no.3 and no.5 and implement it.
     
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    What's wrong in being a welfare state ? Germany, Japan or the Nordic countries are welfare states but referred to as "capitalist" . Of-course there is a limit to actual "welfare"


    Parties buy votes with daru, sari and biryani. One way to break this cycle is to pressure the government in reforming the system

    Like you said, majority of people vote for corrupt individuals and indpendents don't get elected. VK Singh can reform the system from the outside
     
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    People who refer to them as capatalist are retards! They are influenced by socialism to a greater degree than other countries (im talking about nordic countries). An accurate term would be that they are "mixed economies". In purest form of capatalism there is no scope for "welfare" of any kind.


    To reform the system the bribe giver as well as the taker need to be punished, then only the cycle can be broken.

    Call me a cynic but i believe vast majority of Indians are clueless about India or even know our "national interests", even the educated urban ones are ignorant. While the remaining vote along the lines of identity politics. Lets not forget the "fanboys" who'll keep on voting for there party no matter what, this is evident even on dfi.

    We need a messiah else we are doomed :)

    There is will be no "reforming" from outside, only meanigless fasts. Checkout the difference between anna now and anna a year ago. Soon even media reports about him will also dry up if they continue on the same path.
     
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    the problem is we are overpopulated we need one child policy and condoms :rolleyes:
     
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    Socialism maybe a bad word in the US, but it is not so in India.

    Therefore, to have socialist views are not quite deplorable.

    The General's view is not idiotic. It is very contemporary and topical.

    Given the state of governance, where there is rampant loot and with the Opposition conveniently blind, and possibly not willing to rock the boat too much for good reasons, the majority of the Nation has lost faith in not only the way the Nation is being governed (if that is what is governance) but in themselves that they have voted in the Govt and the Opposition with with both eyes open and yet blind!

    It is not a whim that desires a new look to govern, it has become a dire necessity.

    It would be real surprising if one feels loot, scams and populism that is ruining the Nation and running its coffers dry is the real way to govern and administer this Nation.

    Further, it is opinion and he is entitled to his opinion as also airing them. It is not sacrosanct or a holy writ!

    The same old coots need not be elected.

    And if there is a vote for None of the Candidates, it will indicate that percentage of the Nation that are disillusioned and it should have a corresponding effect on the self styled egos that these oddballs acquire, as also their credibility as representatives of the people.

    Bring in Electoral Reforms that cuts out money and muscle power and you will have honest and not self serving people standing for elections!
     
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  17. Rage

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    @topic, I am of the view that, although as a private citizen- and this is subject to a caveat- Mr. Singh was within his rights to express his displeasure over the state of politics and Parliament in this country, I think there's a long-honoured tradition of separation, at least explicitly, of the military and polity even after service. To my mind, Gen. Singh has certainly set a precedent by making this statement. And given the erosion, in less conspicuous forms, of that disjunction what with the increasing number of officers taking to becoming private arms lobbyists for corporate defense interests, I'm not quite sure that it is the right one!

    Now, that caveat is this: and this is my question- What is the cool-off period for a Serviceman of his stature? Is it longer than the 'customary' one year (reserved for Brig. or higher) and has Gen. V K Singh completed that tenure? If not, was he still legally and constitutionally permitted and entitled to make that statement? If so, then my previous argument stands. If not, what are the consequences?
     
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    Since V K Singh does not hold office currently he is free to give his opinion.

    However, dissolving Parliament is futile since the MPs were elected in the first place. With an uneducated/unaware electorate these same guys would be returning every time.
     
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    The idea of a welfare system is totally against the traditional indian social and economic system.
    Welfare system generally implies a centralized system where the bureaucrats decide whats your need,how you must be paid,how much you should earn etc.
    Apart from bringing class based society it also makes people lazy.And not to mention it kills innovation.
    Modi's ideas of "Minimal Government,Maximum Governance" is the perfect system for India! Governments role should be restricted towards maintaining law and order only.
    That's what the decentralized system mean.The 'welfare' should better be taken care by the family or the society not the government!
     
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    The only messiah I see on the horizon(3 years time frame) is hyperinflation of epic scale. Its going to be awesome and shocking, very hard for everyone on this earth. And I hope it happens soon.
     

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