Gen. Raheel Sharif is changing Pakistan forever

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    Dec 31 2014 [​IMG] By Khaled Ahmed


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    Gen. Raheel Sharif is changing Pakistan forever.
    From under-trial Pervez Musharraf’s hospitalization at the Armed Forces Institute of Cardiology onJan. 2to the attempt on news anchor Hamid Mir’s life on April 19 to the launch of Operation Zarb-e-Azb in mid-June to the attack on Peshawar’s Army Public School onDec. 16, the year past has been a period of extraordinary adjustments within Pakistan’s much disturbed civil-military equation.

    The year began badly enough with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif putting off his handpicked new Army chief, Gen. Raheel Sharif, by pursuing the high-treason trial against former Army chief and president Musharraf. The prime minister also showed “excessive enthusiasm” for closer relations with India, attending the investiture of Narendra Modi as India’s prime minister even as the Indian Army was killing civilians with mortar fire across the Line of Control in Kashmir.
    In June, barely a week after the Karachi Airport attack, General Sharif did something no one could expect: he changed the security paradigm under which the Army had so far compelled Pakistan to live. Instead of supporting the government’s “peace” talks with the Pakistani Taliban, he decided to attack the safe havens of the Pakistani Taliban and their local and foreign affiliates. Operation Zarb-e-Azb took the war to North Waziristan, where elements “friendly” to Pakistan trained with those not so friendly to it.

    Since the country’s foreign and domestic security policies are run by the Army, the Foreign Office, firmly tethered to GHQ, had a hard time detaching its thinking from General Sharif’s predecessor, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani. North Waziristan marked a clear departure: it deviated from the received wisdom that any assault on the Taliban in the north would trigger a backlash in the south, where cities were already vulnerable to suicide-bombings and targeted assassinations. It also shook the kaleidoscope of regional and global politics out of pattern: the operation pleased Afghanistan and India, who feared cross-border proxy attacks, and the Western alliance led by the United States, always asking Pakistan to “do more,” in other words, eliminate the Pakistani Taliban and their Afghan counterparts attacking U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

    Ad Hoc Adjustments
    There is little doubt that the June change was not properly digested by the Pakistani insiders set in their thinking that the Army was soft on the Taliban, and tough on the U.S. for “encouraging India to do mischief inside Pakistan.” General Kayani had been hounding American diplomats on roads and hunting Blackwater and CIA agents snooping on organizations the world had declared terrorists. One big miscalculation based on this belated grasp of paradigm shift was the “regime change through agitation” activated by two parties counting on the Army chief to be the arbiter who would ask Prime Minister Sharif to pack up. The antigovernment protests by Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadri’s Pakistan Awami Tehreek kicked off in August and besieged Islamabad, but failed to get General Sharif to bite.
    Can one say that the civil-military equation saved Nawaz Sharif from being toppled? Given that the Khan-Qadri duo and their campaign planners failed to incline General Sharif to act against a prime minister he didn’t quite get along with, one has to assume that the defense paradigm shift was too radical and too restricted to a group of officers close to the new Army chief to be properly understood. In hindsight, one can understand why General Sharif plumped for Prime Minister Sharif staying in power and avoided supporting Khan, whose stance was “blamelessly” pro-Taliban and anti-America as it was absorbed from the Army in the first place. General Sharif wanted to reverse the policy and, for once, “do more.”

    Prime Minister Sharif wholeheartedly backed the policy reset on the western border. But a part of the Foreign Office led by Sartaj Aziz, the prime minister’s advisor, had to do a double take in November to overcome their laggard grasp of what was happening. Even after the resumption of U.S. drone strikes on Haqqani network targets in mid-October, most commentators in Washington simply refused to believe Zarb-e-Azb would get anywhere while the displacement of nearly 2 million civilians from North Waziristan made it too brittle to last.

    Zarb-e-Zonked
    By November, the world had woken up to Operation Zarb-e-Azb, conducted by nearly 30,000 troops who had killed almost 1,200 terrorists. U.S. drones struck in lockstep, even as Islamabad condemned them as a violation of its “sovereignty.” Other factors also came into the reckoning, such as “The Xinjiangistan Connection,” noted in July byForeign Policy,which said “the security needs of China probably proved more important than the U.S. Congress in Islamabad’s calculations.” This being a reference to the ETIM (East Turkestan Islamic Movement) terrorists from China’s western province training in North Waziristan.

    There was a quick revision of stance in Washington. General Sharif’s tough statements about how he would spare no one doing terrorism inside Pakistan—whether “friendly” or “unfriendly”—were allowed to sink in despite resistance developed to Pakistan’s “doublespeak” under General Kayani. The change in Washington was probably just as sudden as in the Foreign Office in Islamabad.

    In October, the Pentagon’s report to the U.S. Congress, “Progress toward Security and Stability in Afghanistan,” had indicted Pakistan as an agent of proxy wars: “Afghan- and Indian-focused militants continue to operate from Pakistani territory to the detriment of Afghan and regional stability. Pakistan uses these proxy forces to hedge against the loss of influence in Afghanistan and to counter India’s superior military. These relationships run counter to Pakistan’s public commitment to support Afghan-led reconciliation. Such groups continue to act as the primary irritant in Afghan-Pakistan bilateral relations.”

    Before General Sharif took off for Washington in November on an unexpectedly successful and long visit, he received the new Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, at GHQ onNov. 14. Ghani, who in 1986 had done fieldwork on Pakistani madrassahs on a Fulbright grant, was unusually effusive after his interactions in Rawalpindi and Islamabad: “We will not permit the past to destroy the future,” he said. “We have overcome obstacles of 13 years in three days … The relationship between the two countries will be a replication of the equation between France and Germany.”

    Around the same time, surprising everyone, prime ministerial advisor Aziz told the BBC onNov. 17that Pakistan would not act against terrorists not targeting Pakistan. “Why should America’s enemies unnecessarily become our enemies,” he said. “When the United States attacked Afghanistan, all those who were trained and armed were pushed toward us. Some of them were dangerous for us and some are not. Why must we make enemies out of them all?” This contradicted the earlier, repeatedly asserted pledge that Pakistan would not allow its soil to be used for cross-border terrorism. The Foreign Office scurried to clarify that Aziz was talking of the past and had been taken out of context, a rescue effort that made even less sense. Was this some kind of response to the Pentagon report on Pakistan’s use of proxies?

    Defogging the Myths
    Prime Minister Sharif cooperated with another challenging foreign-policy initiative that Washington would take notice of. OnNov. 20, Defense Minister Khawaja Asif and his Russian counterpart, Sergey Shoygu, signed a defense cooperation agreement in Islamabad aimed at “promoting international security; intensification of counterterrorism and arms control activities; strengthening collaboration in various military fields, including education, medicine, history, topography, hydrography and culture; and sharing experiences in peacekeeping operations.”

    General Sharif landed in Washington amid reports that Robin Raphel, a presumably friendly-to-Pakistan U.S. diplomat, was under FBI investigation for suspected espionage—for Pakistan. What followed must have surprised many who had said their last goodbye to U.S.-Pakistan ties during the long tenure of General Kayani when relations nosedived, dragging the luckless Pakistan Peoples Party-led government of Asif Ali Zardari down to near collapse in 2011 after the discovery and killing of Osama bin Laden, Memogate, and Salala.

    In the U.S., much enthusiasm was shown for General Sharif, the first Army chief of Pakistan to visit since 2010. He had become important after his visit to Kabul, where he had given his gruff word that he would stop cross-border incursions of the Taliban “no matter who did it.” He was followed by the new ISI chief, Lt. Gen. Rizwan Akhtar, whose fresh approach to terrorism in Pakistan must have reassured both the much-harassed Kabul government and a Pentagon worried about post-drawdown Afghanistan. To cap the week of reconciliation, President Barack Obama rang Prime Minister Sharif to take the latter into confidence about his visit to New Delhi to attend India’s Republic Day celebrations in January as chief guest.

    The Americans gave General Sharif red carpet treatment. The military’s Inter-Services Public Relations wing announced that “the U.S. Legion of Merit Medal was conferred on the Chief of the Army Staff, Gen. Raheel Sharif, currently on an official visit to the U.S., for his brave leadership, sagacity, vision, efforts for peace and stability in the region.” He and his delegation were also “given a full guard of honor at the U.S. Defense headquarters. He met Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert O. Work, and Commander of the Marine Corps, Gen. Joseph F. Dunford.” He also met officials of the CIA, Secretary of State John Kerry, and was received at a number of forums where he clearly reiterated his position on the extirpation of all categories of terrorists in Pakistan to audiences formerly convinced that Pakistan was using terrorists as proxies and allowing safe havens to terrorist outfits doing cross-border mischief.
    [​IMG]With Prime Minister Sharif in Peshawar, Dec. 17. ISPR/AFP
    Joining Jihadist Hands
    Hardly had General Sharif returned home when contrary signs began to manifest themselves. His visit had strengthened the elected government facing agitational challenge on the one hand, and being forced into coexistence with “legalized” jihadists on the other. In late November, Hafiz Saeed, the powerful leader of Jamat-ud-Dawah with a $10-million U.S. bounty on his head, called for jihad against India to “safeguard the right of Kashmiris to self-determination.” He hurled his usual threats at India before announcing that his organization would hold a “public meeting” at Lahore’s Minar-e-Pakistan onDec. 4. Saeed made the statement as a big four-day rally of the Jamaat-e-Islami concluded at the same arena amid loud challenges to U.S. hegemony and such international organizations as the IMF. Saeed’s rally, which forced PTI’s Khan to reschedule his Lahore “shutdown,” drew almost 400,000 people.

    More confusion ensued on Nov. 25. Defense Minister Asif held a press conference in Islamabad and expressed what he specifically called his “personal opinion” about “unreliable America” in a unipolar world. He said U.S. “policy has been disastrous for the region,” and counted the militant Islamic State organization as a creation of the U.S. as a sequel of this policy. He targeted the U.S. Department of Defense statement about Pakistan fielding proxy warriors and said, “This shows that despite our sacrifices the Americans still do not trust us completely. That is sad, but it should be clear that Pakistan’s national objectives are paramount for us.” A respected Urdu columnist extrapolated from his statement the next day, saying that I.S. was “created by America and Israel” to undermine and destroy the Muslim states of the region. Even as Asif spoke, however, a U.S. drone reportedly nearly killed Pakistan’s Enemy No. 1, Mullah Fazlullah, chief of the Pakistani Taliban, at some location close to the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

    Whatever the confused repercussions from it, the change of tack on terrorism by General Sharif marked a departure from the thinking of his predecessor, General Kayani, who publicly admitted to backing the interventionist “strategic depth” doctrine in Afghanistan and explained his assessment of India as based not on its declared intent but its state of military preparedness. Kayani had also asserted at one stage that attacking terrorists in their safe havens in the tribal areas would be counterproductive because of the blowback expected in the shape of bombings from Peshawar to Karachi. At one point Imran Khan declared that his own pro-Taliban stance owed to Kayani’s blowback theory. But the retired Army chief countered this declaration by saying that Khan had “got me wrong.”

    Whatever the perception, Zarb-e-Azb has inflicted significant damage on terrorists in the North Waziristan and Khyber agencies without the much-hyped downstream blowback. In fact, terror attacks were cut by half, and the Taliban franchise in the Punjab led by Asmat Muawiya had been forced to renounce “jihad” in Pakistan while the South Waziristan franchise suffered a split, led by Khalid Sajna, from Fazlullah.

    Meanwhile, in India for backchannel diplomacy, Khurshid Kasuri, Pakistan’s foreign minister under Musharraf, told an audience in New Delhi onNov. 21: “If there is a paradigm shift in India-Pakistan relations, and we become normal, friendly neighbors, I foresee no difficulty for us to accept India having as much access to Afghanistan as it wants.”

    Archives of Antipathy
    Civil-military relations should run smoothly in all circumstances because the fixed thinking of the Pakistan Army meshes with the formally expressed details of Pakistani nationalism: the Two Nation theory and the Pakistan Movement, the resolution of the Kashmir dispute with India in favor of Pakistan, etc. Less formally, however, it carries irreducibly India-centric content:India never accepted the existence of Pakistan and wants to destroy the Two Nation doctrine that undergirds Pakistan; it has unfairly annexed Kashmir and caused Pakistan to break up in 1971; and now, together with the U.S., wants to challenge Pakistan on its western border.
    But problems arise when elected governments have to adjust to the changing global political trends affecting Pakistan’s economy. The lure of pragmatism is seen by the military as undermining the fixed idea of the state of Pakistan empowered by the pledge of war through the Quranic injunction of jihad. So far, no government forced to deal realistically rather than ideologically with neighboring India has been spared the wrath of GHQ. On occasion, when an Army chief wearing two caps has been forced to act realistically vis-à-vis India, he has been attacked from within the military by extremist elements perceiving him as a renegade.

    As an effective carrier of nationalism, Urdu remains impervious to the demands of realism in foreign policy urged by traders and captains of industry who support Prime Minister Sharif’s rudely-halted program of “normalization” with India. English-language journalism, which carries daily analyses of the market (as opposed to its Urdu counterpart, which has yet to invent proper vocabulary to comment on the economy) and backs IMF- and WTO-ordered initiatives, has come under attack by a campaign of curtailing the “English-medium” stream of education in the country.

    The military worldview expressed in such official publications asHilaland the Pakistan ArmyGreen Bookis more darkly Hobbesian. Most laymen dismiss this as “normal” because the Army is supposed to think of fighting wars, not parlaying for peace.

    The 2010 Pakistan ArmyGreen Bookhas an officer discussing “information aggression” as part of India-backed psychological warfare. This campaign, he writes, “disorientates people by attacking Pakistan’s cultural identity and the founding principles of Pakistan, i.e., the Two Nation theory” in order to “weaken Pakistan’s internal cohesion” and to create a “lack of trust amongst the people” in the way Pakistan is governed and to create conflict between the “people and Armed Forces and brand [the] Armed Forces as rogue and warmongering.” To achieve results through this information assault, “India’s intelligence agencies have invested widely in print and television media to wage psychological war against Pakistan.”

    Similarly,Hilalin 2012 carried an essay titled “Living an Indian-Influenced Life,” saying that “even though Pakistan was liberated from British slavery and Hindu-influenced living” Pakistanis have been unable to “win freedom from Indian cultural domination after 64 years.” It claims that Gandhi said India “has no need to occupy Pakistan; it can occupy it culturally.” It goes on to discuss how “Indian movies and television serials … familiarize Pakistanis with the ways and words of Indian prayers” and how Pakistanis find “themselves spontaneously uttering these same forbidden tunes.”

    InThe Army and Democracy: Military Politics in Pakistan,Aqil Shah quotes from the editorial of the Pakistan ArmyGreen Bookfrom 2000: “Gone are the days when the sole role of an Army was limited either to invade or beat back the invaders … Geopolitical and geostrategic regional compulsions of South Asia have made the revision and redefinition of Pakistan Army’s role a necessity.”

    Switch or Sink
    Pakistan has reached a point in its life where it has to innovate and modify its worldview and frontload its foreign policy with trade and economic preferences to survive. It has become a weak state—it stands somewhere at the top of the “failed state” index—because of the spread of terrorism and a sharp decline in its economic indicators. Urbanization amid a shrinking economy has tended to exacerbate public extremism, absorbed from the process of “Talibanization.” Its foreign policy must reinterpret its aggressive nationalism that tends to isolate it internationally. This isolation includes disagreement with China over the issue of Pakistan’s dealing unpragmatically with India.

    Its elected governments have tried to deal with India by separating the Kashmir issue from “normalization” through free trade under the aegis of the World Trade Organization. Unfortunately, both the PMLN and the PPP have suffered disagreements with the military leadership while finalizing trade and visa deals with India. Since Pakistan’s nationalism remains India-centric, it is difficult to conduct a realistic foreign policy without offending against the articles of textbook indoctrination, especially as the political opposition “sides with the people” and challenges the elected government on the act of “getting cozy with enemy India” while “Kashmir burns.” It is another matter that, after overthrowing the “pro-India” government in Islamabad, Musharraf, too, followed the path of normalization with India. This has in the past created the most ironic situation of states preferring to talk to a military ruler as a more trustworthy Pakistani negotiator.

    There are many ways an elected government will seek harmony with an Army not used to “institutional subordination” under the Constitution. It constantly “reinterprets” the national-security policy according to the changing leadership in GHQ. When General Kayani was in the driving seat, the mantra was that the “war against terror is not our war.” Under General Sharif it is different—to the relief and amusement of the outside world. As to the old security decisions taken by the military leadership, denial is the best ploy. The defense minister’s assertion—“America’s policy has been disastrous for the region”—absolves Pakistan of the responsibility of becoming a willing ally in America’s “Afghan war” against Russia followed by another “Afghan war” against Al Qaeda. A reinforced nationalism also routinely inclines the Pakistani police to interpret indigenous terrorism radiating from North Waziristan as acts of men “funded and trained” by India.

    However, for the first time in many years, the Army under General Sharif has overturned the extremely isolationist and harmful policy of “seeking peace” with the Taliban and other Al Qaeda-linked terrorists in its safe havens, and has instead challenged them. Nawaz Sharif’s government has fallen in line behind him to reap the advantage of this bold policy. But the India policy is still ambivalent as Islamabad shuns too overt an advance to free trade that automatically leads to the offer of a transit route to Indian exports to Afghanistan and Central Asia. Prime Minister Sharif has conditionally mentioned transit trade in his address at the recent SAARC conference in Kathmandu while India’s Prime Minister Modi heated up the Kashmir border. A civil-military consensus in Pakistan on a new India policy, backed overwhelmingly by an international community scared of nuclear holocaust in South Asia, is the need of the hour.
    Newsweek
    Jan. 10, 2015 issue.
     
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    A lot of water has gone down the Indus River, since this article for Newsweek was written. The falsehood that Pakistan has perpetuated thru information for the article is eye opening. The Pakistani army claim of killing 1800 anti Pakistani Taliban is false. A few for sure but this large number not true. This number is created for foreign powers digestion.

    That red carpet welcome to General Sharif in US visit is beyond anybody's expectations. That treatment is reserved for head of the government or head of the state. That made him over confidant that US is with him. On return he very soon instigated the abrupt calling off the National Security Advisor's meeting with India. You have to remember that Sartaz Aziz likes to listen to the Army Chief more than to the Prime Minister.

    That daily mortar fire at LOC is not Prime Minister of Pakistan's doing. He agreed during his meet with the Indian Prime Minister's brief meeting in Russia to cool it and asked his officials to meet. It was General Raheel Sharif which forced a cancellation of any talk and escalated the firings.

    His rattling of nuclear sabre, which no other Pakistani Army chief has ever done it before was careful psychological warfare on India. He wanted to scare India. Sartaz Aziz, Pakistani Defence Minister and General Sharif were out doing each other in nuclear sabre rattling. They were waiting for an Indian response, but no official response was coming. None was required. Indian retaliatory nuclear strike response and it's under water nuclear response did not need any expiation. It is already well known. Existence of Pakistan is in doubt if Pakistan unleashes a nuclear detonation over India or over Indian troops anywhere. Pakistanis to their nuclear sabre rattling wanted an equally tough Indian military verbal response. Instead the only response they got was that Indian Army was advised to stay prepared for a quick response for any misadventure by any neighbour. As usual it was interpreted falsely as India trying to nuke Pakistan. When one's thinking is coloured every piece of grammar is deliberately misinterpreted. Pakistan was excelling in it.

    Today, with Modi at the helms in India, Pakistan has diplomatically and militarily boxed itself. It cannot use nuclear weapons on India because the response is devastating, even threaten the existence of Pakistan. It is no longer a match to India in conventional warfare in spite of absorbing $20 billion US military aid in last thirteen years. US can cut off spare parts supply any day and cripple its armed forces. Diplomatically any nation sending hordes of terrorists in the neighbourhood or abroad to Europe and US had lost any diplomatic influence. Pakistan is in that state today.

    China supports Pakistan as a counterweight to India. From November to June, Chinese ingress routes into India are closed. They cannot do much except vote in the UN Secrurity Council to stop fighting. Any fighting, no matter how short, will explode the nuclear sabre rattling myth of Pakistan. Chinese know that so wish not to loose a $100 billion trade bonanza with India for a hard headed Pakistani general.
     
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    Pakis seem to really love this man raheel sharif, I have seen fb pages in honour of him. Is he that good??
    Btw isn't it funny how an army chief visits the US instead of PM or president. I bet majority of our ignorant Indians don't even know who are COAS is. Just goes to show who is the boss in pakland.
     
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    As you might have observed that USA's NSA Susan Rice, Germany' Foreign Minister and U.K's Foreign Minister paid visit after General Shareef's comments of Nuking India. I am quiet sure he got whacked behind closed doors and think before opening his mouth. In my opinion the plan to take control of their nuke already exists and it is a matter of opportunity. Anti Pakistan agitations both in Baluchistan and POK are on rise and getting more coverage as well which puts more pressure on PA. Relationship with Afghanistan are headed south with the trade down 40% in the last three months period.
     
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    Bakis want a Military Rule when Civilian Govt(??) is in power and they want a Civilian Govt(??) in power when there is a Military Rule.
    Pakis worship every General. The current one is no exception.
     
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    The military in Pakistan society is held in esteem in a degree that the armed forces in other SA nations don't. One reason is that the military in all Muslim societies are a privileged lot. It is so in my country also. But in case of Pakistan, the common man is convinced that India had never reconciled with Partition, and would try and undo the division if their guards were down. Politics being dirty and politicians being corrupt, they are detested in Pakistan - as I suppose in most nations. Therefore, in sum, the military establishment is far more powerful than the political.
     
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    "armed forces in other SA nations don't"

    Speak for your country or your beloved Pakistan... desist from making general comments about others... You have no idea of others...

    "the military in all Muslim societies are a privileged lot. It is so in my country also."

    It is same reason why all the Muslim countries [ except Turkey, which is a secular by nature] are backward and have been defeated time and again in past 200 years...

    "Pakistan, the common man is convinced that India had never reconciled with Partition"

    Indians does not care what Pakistanis think... The basis for Pakistani nation was based on HATE FOR HINDUS ONLY Indians irrespective of if he / she is Bengali or Punjabi or Gujarati or Tamil or Marathi or a Bihari we agree on one simple aspect... Show no tolerance to THE ENEMY.
     
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    If this man started zarb e azb then i must say he took a bold step and i can see the difference too... the blast counts have significantly been lowered. All the best pakistan hope you will not go under martial law 3rd time..
     
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    Pakistan has lost KP !! It is true that the attacks are lower now but by no means they are gone... The GOOD Taliban is waiting in Afghanistan for opportune time to strike back... They are playing hide and seek game with Pakistanis...

    PAF and their army have killed too many children, men and women their in the name of zarf e azab or something... The brothers of those children are banging the PAF nowadays...
     
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    zarb e azb killed those that was not aligning with ISI. The good terrorists still thrives in pakistan.
    zarb e azb gave free hand to kill civilians in Balochistan.

    Blast count is now more focused on paki military installations.

    N Shariff has learned it good the last time he tried to kick an army man in the rear..N.Shariff went in exile to his daddies in UAE .He is smart to play his innings this time. He wont step on the armies nerve this time.
    So yes, pakistan may not go under martial law if n.shariff is stooping at the current levels to the army chief and let the army control the puppet govt.
     
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    wait till the next boom...this pakistan changing narrative will die out too.
     
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    Change forever?

    They are only going after jihadists who are harming their interests. They still keep the doctrines of using non state actors against India in tact.
     
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    And this is what the loudmouth Pak Chief, Sharif has done to the townships in Pakistan's North West during Op Zarb e Azb. Despicable and unacceptable collateral damage, where hundreds of innocent civilians - men women and children - have been killed in the crossfire. Using F-16s, massive artillery barrages and tanks to pummel the towns and villages is not what a good general with sound military strategy does.

    This can be construed as a failure of epic proportions. Killing a few militants at the expense of destroying whole villages and killing and displacing thousands of civilians. Will these towns and homes ever be rebuilt? It would cost the earth to do it.

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    And this man in the middle, Sharif seems to be happy at what he's done!

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    Sucks, what?
     
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    And I assume you also know who convinced the common men to believe what they think about India.
    That is the real problem. India did not threaten Pakistan openly ever. What we have been doing is giving replies.
    And, we decimated them when they attacked us first. To hide this incompetency the all powerful Puny Army and the government threw a barrage of lies to their citizens which is the root cause of their current generation's hatred towards India.

    And it clearly seems that this Raheel pig-face Sharif is continuing that tradition.
     
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    Nothing wrong with this. Every Bakistani wanted this including those who got hit. Bakistan is going to become a true Islamic State in the line of ISIS. They are in the process of elimination of the final hurdle i.e. Balochis and Pusthuns.
     
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    No matter how many theories we will make but the fact is that now no one will dare to speak against army even if they have suffered cuz they know a bullet is waiting for them........ this zarb e azb was a real bold step despite being a poor country pakistan is spending too much on this mission to throw terror out of their land....... we need same operation in kashmir kill nd dump is the best strategy to keep kashmir with us or else these kashmiris are so blood thirsty that they will carry out mumbai type attacks on our mainland on ISI orders
     
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    Stop your BS man.
    You are sounding like a grandma.
    While Pakis eliminate Taliban they still nurture LeT and Hizb. Are you blind to that ?
    Given the fact that all terrorists help each other how can this Zarb-e-Azb be complete and effective if LeT and other terror funding organizations are still active in Pakistan ?
    You think Kashmiris carried out Mumbai attacks. What the hell man ?
    Are you acting like a fool or are you a fool in reality ?
     
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    sachin458377 Regular Member

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    Ya sure pakistan will change into many countries such as sind, balochistan, multan,Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Province ,Gilgit-Baltistan and offcourse india
     
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    Pakistanis need some one to fix them once or twice every decade.
     
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    saty Tihar Jail Banned

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