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  1. AOE

    AOE Regular Member

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    There are some very interesting discussions going on here. I never knew that many Indians here felt hostile towards Chinese imperialism and aggression towards its neighbouring states, you learn something new everyday. I had always assumed that the border clashes between India and China over the last 5 decades were marginalized by either side. I guess I was wrong. At any rate, I wish for greater prosperity of the people of India, and that the west recognizes Indias titanic importance in our greater role to bring an end to tyrrany and religious extremism worldwide.

    Here's an interesting video on the Afghanistan war, it's a little old now in terms of news, but Christopher Hitchens basically summarizes most of my thoughts on the current problems there and some of America's current foreign policy mistakes:

    Part 1
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  3. A.V.

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    Welcome hope you will contribute to the debates with your views
     
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    Welcome to DFI . Hope we all have some good and fruitful interaction.
     
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    Welcome to the Defence Forum of India, AOE, please enjoy your stay.

    Regards
     
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    welcome to dfi........
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Welcome to D F I.. :)

    ausairpower.net is very good...
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Welcome AOE! Are you an Atheist too?

    My opinion is that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are for OIL! While they are at it its good to get rid of some extremist to!

    The Oil in Central Asia is surrounded by hostile countries like Russia,China,Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan etc., So now that they opened the gate way through Iraq and Afghanistan Pakistan the oil can be exploited. Its a game for resources albeit with an Religious angle.

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    Now the oil in central asia can be used through Pakistan or even through Iraq? Two major Oil reserves have been cleared by NATO for their use and does not require Russia any more.
     
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    Welcome to DFI mate and do enjoy your stay in here! Please be wary of the SB though :D
     
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    Welcome mate.. Enjoy your stay :)
     
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    Welcome to DFI mate,
    hope you have a good time here.
     
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    welcome to DFI AOE!!!!!!
     
  13. AOE

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    Thank you all for the warm welcome. :)

    @Godless-Kafir:

    Yes, I am an atheist, have been all my life.

    Both of those wars do have an economic incentive or reason behind them, but as you said; there is more than what meets the eye. I mostly supported the Iraq war for regime change, an important goal that has been sidelined by conspiracy theorists and the so called 'anti-war movement.' I don't see the necessity in any western country keeping an alliance with Pakistan, a political move of which only exists thanks to the Kissingers and Nixons of this world, and not on anything reason based. It's also thanks to these two that India tilted away from the kind of friendlier relations it could have had with the US today, but that was 40 years ago.

    Saying it's a war for resources with a religious angle is subjective, I think it would depend on what kind of politics you subscribe to and whether or not you see both wars to be some gigantic conspiracy theory to enslave the world (according to Alex Jones or David Icke) at the hands of shapeshifting jews/free masons, or if you see some of the current conflicts as Americas attempt to contain some of the worlds last remaining major communist and theocratic dictatorships; one enemy at a time. ;)
     
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    Yeah and specially be wary of Oracle at the SB :D
    Welcome to DFI.

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    I love Hitch too and i am saddened to see him in that state fighting with cancer. He is a good friend of India and he understands the importance of having the west side with us. After all this whole thing of finding America started with the search for India. Anyway are you an Indian by origin?

    I am not a conspiracy theorist although i keep seeing this Free mason offices every where i go! I only heard of them in Zeitgeist videos and i had never heard of them before that but i was surprised to keep seeing their office in every city i go in India, i wonder if its the same free masons they mention. There is a Free Mason Childrens hosptial near where i live and i saw this huge free mason office in Bangalore, so i cant help but wonder these days what they are all about.

    I only believe in the obvious conspiracies that are going on in the open, i think NATO is very much resource driven and motivated to establish Western domination which is obvious and i dont need to state that part, their culture has not fully gotten over the colonial mind set just like Islam has also not gotten over the imperialistic mindset, it is ingrained in both Christian and Islamic ethos to dominate and spread their culture. I keep seeing these kids form US, Australia etc., coming over and doing missionary work here and trying to spread their religion. Its that same need to expand is what has created their culture soon after they destroyed all the pagan cultures in europe and since then it has altered the frame work of thinking in European and Arabia and everything is born out of that.

    So what i see is the continuation of the middle ages in a modern world the Christian converts Vs the Arab Jihadis both fighting for domination. Communism was merely an creation of Christianity as it is an rebel child of European imperialism. The irony is there cant be any communism if there was no Christianity and its colonial imperialistic mindset, it was born in rebellion of what Christianity had established itself to be in Europe. Hence I cant see anything complex apart from moldy old death book seeking to dominate the human species.
     
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  18. AOE

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    Yes it's sad to see him battling stage four cancer, then again he always replies with 'there is no stage five.' lol It is understandable to eventually see democracy as one of the most important causes in todays fight against totalitarianism, and it isn't a surprise to see the path Hitchens walked to get to that point. I guess like many, I used to be a socialist or far leftist myself during my later teenaged years. I was pro-Palestinian, an apologist for Trotsky/Marx, had oppositional views towards several wars America has fought, and bought into a lot of Chomsky and Zinn. In the end I saw much of that as naive, and counter-intuitive.

    Free masonry has been around for a very long time, and has had similar treatments to the jews during the second world war. All conspiracy theories evolve from a religious base or religious thinking, and usually they come from christians or muslims. I'm neutral in view towards them, because so far I haven't seen any real convincing evidence for or against their group in society. Sure a lot of places are opening up with Masonry symbols, then again they have been around for centuries. Some of the most famous and oldest US presidents were also Masons.

    Christianity is a benign religious movement compared to the over-shadowing islamist one, but go back more than 50 years ago and you'll see they were as bad as each other. Catholics and prodestants had a hand in sponsoring 20th century fascist movements more than any other group; basically they were in bed with them. Then of course there is the inquisition, colonialism, racial eugenics, and similar movements that had a christian backing or rational behind them. Thankfully all of those movements are just about dead.

    NATO is simply the extension of the domestic, foreign, and defense policies of the signatory countries; so yes some amount of resource focus would be present, that's undeniable. It depends on your perspective on that particular point, whether you see it as a negative thing, or if you're a realistic and see that it would ultimately be suicidal not to do it. If only every country in the world had their own oil reserves, iron deposits, agricultural booms, precious resource mines, etc... then there would be no problem.

    An interesting perspective worth considering is that resources would no longer be fought for once we move into the space age, and start mining planets hostile to life for all of the previous and rare resources we fight for here, and we would only need to keep the earth as a base for agricultural development. The amount of any chemical-based resources is at least a million times more common in space than here, with the possible exception of oil; which can be replaced with synthetics and other renewable forms of energy. ;)
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    I always wondered why there was so much sympathy by the leftists over Islamic driven ideologies! I was more of an right wing hindu nationalist in my teen years and like you i grew out of it. All though i never supported the Palestine cause and i still support the jews.

    Well we can always stop over Jupiter to fill our tanks and use the moon as an start off base but then i wonder where can we go from there! The distant planets that we have found in other solar systems may not even exist by now. The light from those planets takes more than a billion light years to reach us and by the time that light reached us those images are out dated by a billion years and in reality that planet may be dust by now! Mars is a good place but i cant see us going beyond that.

    I think the challenge is right here which is to educate people to live in harmony with our space ship called earth. I could understand colonizations from Europe to America and Asia but that was there far before the Europeans set sail from Europe. The Arabs,Chinese,Indians all had larger trading vessels than Columbus and where trading with Roam and Greece. I dont think we can draw parallels with that colonization and the colonization of other planets which is infinitely larger in scale.
     
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    Left and right political ideologies sometimes vary by country, what is considered centre-left in the US might be centre-right in say England, or perhaps even far right in Australia. One thing you'll note by the anti-war movement or general lefties in any western country is that they have a tendancy to be lazy and complacent when it comes to any possible intervention of a dictatorship or theocracy, or instead always try to make it out as if we only go somewhere for resources. This kind of thinking has actually helped to stop the US from liberating people from their despotic regimes around the world, sometimes I wonder if all of this is done by fifth-columnists or useful idiots trying to derail an effort to bring about democracy; especially when you consider this:

    'The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States…'

    - George Orwell, Notes on Nationalism in May 1945.

    lol, funnily enough thousands of years (or perhaps even a million) into the future, that might be a reality. Some of Jupiters moons are possible candidates to live on outside of Mars, since Jupiter provides enough warmth for some of them. Breaking the speed of light barrier to travel to distant star may be impossible, but black holes may be a possibility for rapid transit in the future when we get into the space age:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-db4iC0aHw

    Educating people who have lived in a dictatorship for a theocracy for a long period of time wont be easy, but it is possible. Afghanistan will be among the biggest test to see if democracy will work there, but it's only been 10 years so far.
     
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    Welcome to DFI AOE... you seem to have warmed-up pretty fast... great job!! :D
     

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