Gay prince may face death in Saudi Arabia

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    Gay prince may face death in Saudi Arabia

    LONDON: A Saudi prince accused of murdering his servant in Britain could face the death penalty in his homeland over allegations of homosexuality, a London court heard on Saturday.

    Saud Bin Abdulaziz Bin Nasir al Saud, 34, who is a grandson of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah, is accused of killing Bandar Abdullah Abdulaziz in a top London hotel on February 15 after abusing him for weeks.

    The prince is alleged to have murdered the servant in a ferocious attack with a "sexual element" .

    His lawyer John Kelsey-Fry has denied suggestions that the two men were in a gay relationship.

    Prosecutor Bobbie Cheema told England's Old Bailey central criminal court: "Homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and carries the death penalty which is still applied in some cases.

    "The country in which any alleged acts took place would have little bearing on the likelihood of prosecution as the Saudi legal system is based on the sharia law which is considered to be universal."

    She said prosecution would be a matter for the Saudi authorities but can depend on the wishes of the person's family. Some relatives push for the harshest penalty if they are deemed to have shamed the family, she said.

    The prince could also be in peril from his victim's family "although as he is a member of the Saudi royal family, this risk would be reduced" the prosecutor said.

    Gay Saudis have been granted asylum in Britain on the basis they could face prosecution, "and potentially the death penalty — or harm if they returned" , Cheema said.

    Kelsey-Fry said Saudi law as described to the court would apply "if it were the case that the defendant had engaged in homosexuality" .

    Al Saud has admitted manslaughter but strenuously denies having a "gay fling" with his victim — found beaten and strangled at a five-star London hotel where the pair were allegedly on a holiday.

    He pleads not guilty to murder. The victim, Abdulaziz, had bite marks on him, said to have been caused during a sex romp. His employer was captured on CCTV attacking him in the lift of a hotel in London. Al Saud told police that he and Abdulaziz had been drinking into the early hours of the morning, and that when he awoke he could not rouse him.

    Read more: Gay prince may face death in Saudi Arabia - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-Arabia/articleshow/6762176.cms#ixzz12gFSPf5v
     
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    mattster Respected Member Senior Member

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    This is really funny....if gay Saudis are going to be given asylum in the UK - then probably half their male population will qualify for asylum.

    Most of these guys from hardline Islamic states that ban casual male-to-female contact are all closet homosexuals. They spend all their time with men and a pick up these tendencies early. I was told by many people who live in the Middle-East that most of these mullah types who come from madrassa training background are all closet homosexual.
     
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    Saudies are real bawdy.
     
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    True. Homosexual relationships and child abuse are quite prevalent among muslim communities. We know the bache bazi practice in Afghan and Pakistan. Even in kerala, the muslim dominated areas are known for these acts. Its is Hippocratic of these governments and leaders like Ahmedinejad to act like it is unislamic.
     
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    Too much money floating around with these Saudis and lack of education makes a very deadly cocktail.
     
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    Homosexuality is prevalent throughout the world and not confined to any religious groups or nationality.

    Circumstances and environment leads to one's sexual orientation.

    As far as Islam is concerned, Homosexuality is Sin as per the scriptures and so it is unIslamic.


    If the circumstances and environment encourages homosexuality, it does not mean that it is sanctified by religion!

    Hindus are not supposed to eat beef, and yet they do and still are Hindus.

    Christians have Lent. The traditional purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer — through prayer, penitence, almsgiving and self-denial — for the annual commemoration during Holy Week of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus, which recalls the events linked to the Passion of Christ and culminates in Easter, the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Most don't observe Lent and yet are Christians.

    So, what is religion and what is done in practices are different kettles of fish and cannot be taken to be complementary.
     
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    Saudi royal gets life in jail for London murder


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    (Reuters) - A Saudi prince was jailed for life in Britain Wednesday for beating and strangling his servant in the room they shared at a luxury London hotel after what prosecutors called a campaign of sadistic abuse.

    Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud, 34, was told he must serve a minimum term of 20 years in jail for murdering Bandar Abdulaziz, 32, also a Saudi, at the Landmark Hotel in February.

    The prince, who told detectives he was a grandson of the Saudi king, had admitted manslaughter -- unintentional killing -- but denied murder. Standing in the dock with arms crossed, Saud showed no emotion as the sentence was handed down in London's historic Old Bailey court.

    Prosecutors described how the servant was bitten on both cheeks during a final assault by Saud. In previous attacks, the servant suffered "a series of heavy punches or blows to his head and face," leaving his left eye closed and swollen, lips split and teeth chipped and broken, the Press Association reported.

    There were horrific injuries to one of his ears and internal bruising and bleeding to the brain as well as severe injuries to the neck consistent with manual compression, prosecutors said.

    They told the court that Saud tried to cover up the true nature of his relationship with his servant, saying they were friends and equals, but that a porter at the hotel said Abdulaziz was treated "like a slave."

    Prosecutors further said the two men were believed to have had some form of sexual relationship and that the physical abuse had a "sexual element."

    The prince testified he was heterosexual and had a girlfriend back home. Prosecutors said they found he had booked appointments with at least two male escorts and one gay masseur, and looked at hundreds of images of men on gay websites.

    Photographs of Mr Abdulaziz in "compromising" positions were on Saud's phone, prosecutors told the court.

    When arrested, Saud at first believed he was protected by diplomatic immunity but his status as a Saudi royal was not sufficient, according to prosecutors.

    Sentencing him, Judge David Bean said: "It is very unusual for a prince to be in the dock on a murder charge.

    "It would be wrong for me to sentence you either more severely or more leniently because of your membership of the Saudi royal family. No one in this country is above the law."

    (Reporting by Stefano Ambrogi; Editing by Mark Heinrich)
     
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    Homosexuality of course is prevalent everywhere in the world. I am talking about the open gay culture. Islamc countries were and are more open to an open gay culture. One reason for this could be the oppression and unavailability of women. Like in prisons.

    When French Painter Jean-Léon Gérôme travelled to the Middle East, he recorded what he saw in his painting.
    http://relaxandhavefun.com/wp-content/Gerome_The_Snake_Charmer.jpg

    It was the time of liberal islam before the puritan movement started. I am sure you wouldn't find it in other cultures so openly.
     
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    More than Homosexuality, it was sex with pre-puberty kids which was/is prevalent in arabia.
     
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    as was in europe and in India and china girls were married off quite early.

    use the same brush...rather than focusing on one area.
     
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    Don't get emotional! This thread is about Saudi Gay Prince and its implications in Saudi Arabia, definitely not about China, India or Europe. Secondly, if you are being over concerned that it could turn on Islam, hence you are obliged to included China, India & Europe, I would suggest you are mistaken as your thinking is naive and over secular.
     
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    Why would i get emotional ? Im just pointing out facts.

    Your post paints a picture that these things only happened in one part of the world which isn't the case. Now a person would be naive if he thought only in middle east kids were used in sexual activities....some other person reading your post might come to that conclusion so thats why i pointed out it happened all over the world.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^ Point Taken.
     
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    @Ernesto It is homo eroticism at its peak. The painter went there to capture the oriental idea of sexuality . Post the renaissance in Europe, the clutch of Christianity was relaxed and the artists were free to express such subjects in their work.
     
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    I dont know. Ive seen naked boys running around in streets in India...im sure european would paint same picture of that scenario aswell.
     
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    ^^^
     
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    Baloney, Ernesto........you need to get your facts straight.

    Using pre-pubescent boys for sex is a Middle-Eastern speciality, especially in Islamic countries. It has been practised for centuries and is still very widespread in the Middle-East. Yes it happens rarely in other cultures too but in the Middle-east its almost accepted. !!
     
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    We call it Child Abuse in the Rest of the World! Check the US, and see how many folks trap boys in their underground cellars and rape and bury them! Or Check the Number of Child Abuse cases in the USA, be it girls or boys! Dont tell me you wont count the abuse of Small girls, because, after all they are girls eh?

    In India, the Kids on the Streets are abused like no end! From the Cops to the other homeless, the small boys and girls get an equal share of abuse! You want to pain that picture?

    And About the Painting of that french guy, What if It was his Imagination? What if he hoped to see that and came there and didnt get to see it! He just drew it and went back and told everyone a lie! After all, we didnt Have Google back then did we? :)
     

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