Gandhi WHO???

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  1. Blackwater

    Blackwater Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    Today is Gandhi jayanti. but it seems not only country but forum members are also forgetting it. Question arises, how important is Mr Gandhi today??
     
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    Dovah Untermensch Senior Member

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    Its because its a Sunday, most guys care only if its a holiday(and a dry-day).
     
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    He just took credit for the damage to the British military in the second world war.
     
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    one who landed us in trouble example: kashmir might have been fully with us ,as this fellow not only fasted to give 55 crores to pakistan which pakistan used to wage war on us but also made nehru prime minister instead of sardar patel ,later nehru made blunders starting from going to un in kashmir war ,donating coco island to burma and 1962 chinese war.Yes we need to remember him for all his moves
     
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    Known_Unknown Devil's Advocate Stars and Ambassadors

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    If there was no Gandhi, there would be no Nehru, and no Sardar Patel either. You are forgetting that both were his disciples, and the Indian Congress party only grew prominent because of Gandhi. The Quit India movement, and the revolts that broke out within the British Indian Navy and Army in response to Gandhiji's call convinced the British that they could not hold on to India any longer. Without it, and without Gandhi, India would have been a mess of around 500 countries today, or worse, large chunks of India would have been ruled by a Islamic states in the west, east (Pakistan+Junagarh) and south (Hyderabad).

    Without the Congress and leaders like Gandhi and Nehru, there would be no India. Most of us spend our entire lives without ever doing anything for society. None of us would ever want to go to jail even if it were for a just cause, and yet we have the temerity to pass judgement on those who worked their whole lives for the nation, and even died for it. So let us be a little grateful, and humble and not criticize those who gave us our freedom without first walking a mile in their shoes.
     
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    Patel never liked Gandhi and his policies.
     
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    I never liked him too much hype around this naked fakir Sardar Vallabhai Patel deserves much more attention its because of him Indian state was reinforced...
     
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    Known_Unknown Devil's Advocate Stars and Ambassadors

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    In fact it was Patel who persuaded Gandhi to accept partition. Don't believe the propaganda of the BJP/RSS. From wiki:

     
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    Gandhi was the face of the freedom movement. No other leader had the mass appeal across the nation as Gandhi. It is wrong to say that others were more important than him.

    Yes Patel was the one who reinforced the state but without Gandhi in the the first place the freedom movement would not even have gained strength.
    For those who say that Patel would have made a better PM, I would say that both Nehru and Patel were good in their own ways. Nobody is perfect. I like strong leaders but if a leader becomes too strong he it results in authoritarianism.
    Nehru was instrumental in bringing socialism, he was a mass leader, he was tolerant. Patel was more of an organisational man, who had backing of the INC members.

    I am not a fan of Gandhi and do not agree with many of his decisions but I cannot deny the fact that he was the Head of the Indian Freedom struggle.
    Without him factionalism would have weakened the freedom struggle.
     
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    Param Senior Member Senior Member

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    Spot on Known Unknown
    .A lot of people still do not realise who was responsible for adopting partition as a quick solution.
     
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    That is true no M Gandhi , there would be no Nehru , no Sardar . bcz both were his disciples .

    But take out - Sardar from the list , now do you think only Gandhi and Nehru had that guts , they can make united India by themselves without Sardar .

    I think you forget to add Sardar in your second paragraph .
     
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    All the three were important. Without even one of those guys today the Indian sub continent would have been very different.
     
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    gandhi was the first man to take out congress from being a socialite club domain into national arena. before gandhi, congress was doing presentration, debate and discussion with angreez officials only. sit for tea and coffee for better institutions and recruiting indians for clerk jobs.
    it was gandhi who rose for peasants and poor indians, he was the one who made people gain confidence to fight against mighty gora empire.

    after 1857 defeat, moral of people was at all time low, they had accepted the defeat of india and indian. he was the one who made people realized that they can fight brits even with no weapon, training and all. many of the freedom fighters shared stage with gandhi like bose, they gained status and repo to carry on thru this stage only.

    yes he committed many mistakes, but who knows what were the conditions back then, was nation ready to take alternative route? dont know...

    partition... i have different philiosophy, one needs to pay, mode of payment is upon the individual choice. we selected non-violence method, so we paid for the freedom at the end, thru partition and hindu muslim sikh massacre. taking up guns against brits would have taken away similar no of people.
    but these all things are subject to speculations only.

    gandhi who?? father of nation. like it or not
     
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    Gandhi was my class mate in school. Lokesh Gandhi. Thin guy with a great sense of humor.
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    Gandhi and Nehru were the worst mistake that could happen to India.

    P.S: Patel was no Gandhi disciple....stop loading crap here! Wikipedia is not a valid source, we all know how mch Nehru was eager to be PM and Patel had to give in due to bapu and his antics! What about BS of Gandhi that pakistan will be created on my dead body? Such shallowness in inborn in Nehru-Gandhis!
     
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    warriorextreme Senior Member Senior Member

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    you mean Mohandas gandhi who used to sleep with naked women for one of his brahmacharya experiments?
    or rahul gandhi whose real name is raul vinci who is biggest show off in india's history?


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    :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop:
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    If I remember correctly, words similar to "naked fakir" were used about M.K.Gandhi by Winston Churchill.
     
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    Better if we would have been under British (non-colonial) rule, rather than the new generation of politicians viz PC, SG etc.. List is endless
     
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    That is because the British and their slaves the Congress were allowed to cover up and continue. The British knew that they have to return long before they returned finally. They knew that Nazis were a threat and were destroying Europe and UK had serious implications there. Put on your thinking cap and think this:

    If Gandhi was indeed the man who got India freedom from colonials and was a threat to the Crown, WHY was he not put down first? The Colonials had clearly shown they did not mind putting down their opposition in thousands around the colonies worldwide. Why was this man spared and continued to "lead" and spread propaganda? THINK!

    Bhagat Singh, Savarkar, Rajguru, Chandrashekhar Azad, Sukhdev, Neta ji and so many more... were put down and given miserable deaths in a blink of the eye. WHY?

    What was so special in these men that the Brits feared compared to Gandhi? Why did they react so differently to this man and to the men above though according to gullible idiots, Gandhi was also "fighting for freedom"?

    This is why:
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    This is the real face of the so called "Ahimsa" man.

    People never knew what a two-timer gandhi was and easily bought his nonsense. Surely you remember the generation of our grandfathers when lying was considered as bad as terrorism. Congress and their father gandhi just manipulated that.


    What was Nehru then? Do you think he did any good? he freaking cost the nation so much land to our enemies. This is what you call "its his opinion"? Nations are run on basis of performance. Nehru almost ruined India. He wanted to scrap the Army. He wanted to gift entire Ladakh away to China in exchange of peace. The lunatic almost agreed to the pre-final proposal of the British only to be prompted and warned by Patel at the last moment and getting cold feet.

    But yea... that is just my "opinion"... typical escapist attitude.

    Nehru just followed his mentor and continued to lay foundations of ruining this nation.

    You then are either without awareness of better and sincere leaders or you're simply denying it. Gandhi-Nehru duo was nothing but a pawn kept by British to continue their policies evident even today and clearly now in current situation. Accept it; there is no running away from it.
     
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