Gaddafi's Rein of Terror

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Gaddafi was never pro Indian.
He was very warm with Pakistan during the Bhutto era, but he was downright rude with Nawaz Sharif who Gadaffi called a 'corrupt politician' when Sharif went to Libya. The miffed Sharif returned immediately to Pakistan and expelled the Libyan Ambassador!

That is true that Islam meant a lot to him.

Brigadier, he did not care much about India, as was his case with most international countries. He was never pro-Indian nor was he anti-Indian. The Saudis and the GCC are very cordial with India and we all know the problem there.

Gaddafi's relationship with Pakistan was also simply for his own use, and likely initiated by Z. Bhutto who went Islamic country hopping to try and embrace the "Islamic Ummah" and attempt to become a "great Muslim leader" on the lines of India leading NAM.

Gaddafi used the Pakistanis, and as soon as he had no use for them, he dumped the Pakistanis in front of the whole world and exposed their proliferation of nuclear tech for the world to see.

Islam may have personally meant a lot to him (though that also has doubts, apparently the man believed in reincarnation), he was always a pan-arab, not pan-Islam.
 
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Are you ready to swallow your tongue yet? :laugh:
NICOLEON might have ended the war sooner than we would have liked but your NATO pawn still got its azz beat. No one denies you have a good military, the problem is its size. Your Army is less than half the size of Russian Ground Forces and that is not including VDV. French AF is a third the size of VVS. Your total armed forces are a third the size of Russia on a bad conscription year. Ground Forces still has an emergency draft which can almost double its size. Marine National is half the size of RuNav. Not to mention delivery systems for 2000 warheads to your 300. You see victory in a Banana Republic and Desert Wasteland and suddenly you are a Super Power. No one ranks France above Russia in conventional power even if your military has far more modernization and projection capability. Russia is only concerned with the periphery, not stirring up trouble thousands of miles from our shores like your crazy NICOLEON.
 

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NICOLEON might have ended the war sooner than we would have liked but your NATO pawn still got its azz beat. No one denies you have a good military, the problem is its size. Your Army is less than half the size of Russian Ground Forces and that is not including VDV. French AF is a third the size of VVS. Your total armed forces are a third the size of Russia on a bad conscription year. Ground Forces still has an emergency draft which can almost double its size. Marine National is half the size of RuNav. Not to mention delivery systems for 2000 warheads to your 300. You see victory in a Banana Republic and Desert Wasteland and suddenly you are a Super Power. No one ranks France above Russia in conventional power even if your military has far more modernization and projection capability. Russia is only concerned with the periphery, not stirring up trouble thousands of miles from our shores like your crazy NICOLEON.
Thats nice mate, no one is saying France can invade Russia. If you stick our expeditionary forces on a battlefield thousands of kilometres away and yours on the same, we would clean your clocks. You have the quantity and we have the quality. French armed forces are a well oiled machine with SA while yours are a clusterf*** that has no clue what is going on the battlefield. Half of RuAF front-line assets can't even get off the ground and your trained pilot cadre is so small even ALA is bigger. During Georgia you had to drag training pilots to front-line service because your regulars didn't have enough hours. Your planes have ZERO ECM as the seven times they were targeted, they were shot down. You pull armour out of storage and a third of it breaks down or not even starts. Most of the ERA tiles were EMPTY! You get to a combat zone and have no idea what is in front of you and your troops have to beg reporters to use their mobiles and ask which way to the front. France got a good look at the way you run your Navy and it was appalling. So many officers and they don't even know how to run a ship. Your comms are antiquated and radar detection didn't work most of the time. That isn't even touching the deplorable living conditions with no technology and lice infested sailors.

This is the third rearmament plan and it is turning out like the other two... failure.
 

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I am not going to sit here and deny facts but you blow some specific situations as a systemic problem which is not always the case. The MOD knows what the problems are and working to fix them. The GOZ 2020 is not a failure, it is only delayed.
 

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I am not going to sit here and deny facts but you blow some specific situations as a systemic problem which is not always the case. The MOD knows what the problems are and working to fix them. The GOZ 2020 is not a failure, it is only delayed.
How many delays does it take to call something a failure? I guess when you quit.
 

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The thread is on Gaddafi's Rein of Terror.

It is not a France vs Russia thread.

Russia was always what is being colourfully called to show that is in a mess.

It was in a mess when Napoleon attacked Russia and so was it in a mess when Hitler tried the same. And yet.......

So, let us go back to the topic, please!
 

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Brigadier, he did not care much about India, as was his case with most international countries. He was never pro-Indian nor was he anti-Indian. The Saudis and the GCC are very cordial with India and we all know the problem there.

Gaddafi's relationship with Pakistan was also simply for his own use, and likely initiated by Z. Bhutto who went Islamic country hopping to try and embrace the "Islamic Ummah" and attempt to become a "great Muslim leader" on the lines of India leading NAM.

Gaddafi used the Pakistanis, and as soon as he had no use for them, he dumped the Pakistanis in front of the whole world and exposed their proliferation of nuclear tech for the world to see.

Islam may have personally meant a lot to him (though that also has doubts, apparently the man believed in reincarnation), he was always a pan-arab, not pan-Islam.
Here it from Gaddafi himself on how he felt about Islam.


This will indicate Gaddaff's Islamic credential and zeal to promote Islam and side by side Pan Arabism.

After Nasser's death, Gaddafi attempted to become the leader of Arab nationalism. He wanted to create a "Great Islamic State of the Sahel", unifying the Arab states of North Africa into one.

As early as 1969, Gaddafi contributed to the Islamization of Sudan and Chad, granting military bases and support to the FROLINAT revolutionary forces.

In 1971, when Muslims took power in Sudan, he offered to merge Libya with Sudan.Gaafar Nimeiry, the President of Sudan, turned him down and angered Gaddafi by signing a peace settlement with the Sudanese Christians.Gaddafi took matters into his own hands in 1972, organizing the Islamic Legion, a paramilitary group, to arabize the region. He dispatched The Islamic Legion to Lebanon, Syria, Uganda, and Palestine to take active measures to ensure Islamic control. The Islamic Legion was highly active in Sudan and Chad, and nearly removed the Toubou population of southern Libya through violence.

Through the 1970s and 1980s, Gaddafi led an armed conflict against Chad, and occupied the Aouzou strip. During the 1970s, two Muslim leaders, Goukouni Oueddei and Habre, were fighting against the Christian southerners for control of Chad. Gaddafi supported them, and when they seized control in 1979, he offered to merge with Chad. Goukouni turned him down, and Gaddafi withdrew Libyan troops in 1981 because of growing opposition from France and neighboring African nations. Gaddafi's withdrawal left Goukouni vulnerable in Chad, and in 1982, his former partner, Habre, led a coup to remove him from Chad. Gaddafi helped Goukouni regain territory in Chad, and fought with Habre's forces.

In 1987, Gaddafi engaged in a full-out war with Chad, suffering a humiliating loss in 1987 during the Toyota War. Libya took heavy casualties, losing one tenth of its army (7,500 troops) and 1.5 billion dollars worth of military equipment. Chad lost 1,000 troops, and was supported by both the United States and France. During the war, Gaddafi lost his long-time ally, Goukouni Oueddei, who repaired his relationship with Habre in 1987. Gaddafi gave Habre an offer to make complete peace, and promised to return all Chadian prisoners in Libya. He also promised to pay reparations for the damage done to Chad, and promised financial support to fight poverty. He also announced that he would push to end the death penalty in Libya, end "revolutionary" courts, free hundreds of political prisoners.

and warmed relations with African leaders concerned about his "Green revolution." Former Libyan soldiers and rebel groups supported by Libya continued to fight the Chadian government independent of Gaddafi. Their organization, the Arab Gathering, was an Arab supremacist group that also contributing to violence in Sudan. Members of this group later developed into leaders of the Janjaweed.....

Libya's society became increasingly Islamic during Gaddafi's rule. His "purification laws" were put into effect in 1994, punishing theft by the amputation of limbs, and fornication and adultery by flogging. Under the Libyan constitution, homosexual relations are punishable by up to 5 years in jail
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Of course he also wanted to project himself as a great pan African leader. That is why they gave him the title, 'King of Kings'!
 
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