G-20: Confrontations Flare as Obama’s Traveling Party Reaches China

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  1. alphacentury

    alphacentury Regular Member

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    Confrontations Flare as Obama’s Traveling Party Reaches China

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/w...ing-match.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
     
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  3. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    Chinese government has spent good money to organize this event, presentation and optics are worth praising.

    But Chinese Idiots at different forums are showing their usual small nation mentality; classless, lack of humility and grace is making it bitter for people watching them trolling.

    In Punjabi we say 'Kha ke Afaar gya' Sudden prosperity is hard to handle by a small man.

    Chinese stop your lose motions , this is not the first or last G-20. Nations will use their discretion being host and return the favor.
     
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    asianobserve Elite Member Elite Member

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    Chinese are very bad nouveau riche. They do not have class and has no regard to diplomatic niceties. Even if you do not like your guest you have to treat them honorably, that's what civilized people do.
     
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    Cheap Chinese people !! Lack education and manners ...
     
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    bose Senior Member Senior Member

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    there is a similar saying in Bengali too... people find very difficult to handle sudden wealth and prosperity... they behave uncivilized way ...

    Those Chinese troll now know very well their growth story is over... moreover they are losing sleep over their encirclement from all side... now with India getting into a high growth rate also giving them less sleep now days...

    China have to come out of their scar from Japanese experiences in the past... still Chinese are suffering from it...
     
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    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    Like late @Ray Sir said. Chinese are scared of their own shadows. And its is a cultural anomaly they will keep suffering even if they start living in houses made of Titanium.

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    I am digressing a bit because I think we should read China correctly for our own better. Chinese economy is far from being doomed. They are strengthening their domestic market and from manufacturing low end products they are shifting towards making high end products. I see this so called slowing down part of that transition that requires more investment in costly R&D and long gestational period.

    Also Chinese will soon touch the glass ceiling of investing more in infrastructure as it has already over done it in many regions.
     
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    That Chinese guy who shouted and said “This is our country.” Can that rascal shout and express his feeling to their communist leader in China ?

    Chinese losers !!
     
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    I am fortunate to read Late @Ray sir observations, those should be compiled and read as reference for all of us to understand the Chinese mentality ...

    I am not saying Chinese economy is or getting doomed, nor I want that to happen ... any Chinese economic big shake up will also affect India ..

    But still couple or years back the Chinese was systematic in their propaganda as it is their century ... blah blah ... their over confidence is gone now... with India with massive young population can match equally high potential for growth in economy and business...

    I am afraid China will lose out from Indian economic growth story... China will pay for hostility with India...
     
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    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

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    LOL... why always the same batch of losers...
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    now you knew "this is our country ,this is our airport"...BUT

    you don't know this is the answer to the white house crew's word--

    "this is our plane , this is our president"
    ...

    lol...
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    hohoho...so called stated controlled media is so tiny against the western discourse power..

    come on, the Propaganda Department guys...
     
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  11. Razor

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    Why would he do that?
    The "communist leader" is Chinese, while the American is a foreigner.
    A "foreign devil" is not same as a "central-state" renmin.

    The Chinese are not the "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" type of dudes, nor are they too keen on "athithi devo bhava."
    For eg: did you know that one of the original protests that eventually became the "Tiananmen Square protests" was an anti-African student protest in Nanjing, with posters like "Don't take advantage of Chinese women" (paraphrasing)
    Maybe they've got it right, considering what happened to India.

    Anyway, the Chinese are telling World cop America that the Chines can police around East Asia and America better get used to it or something to that effect.
    What will america do?? What can obama do other than pretend nothing happened and blurt out something like "I wouldn’t over-crank the significance of it."

    :hmm:

    Looks like the old "Great game" rivalry between Rus and Anglo-Saxons (Brits, USA) which continued as cold war (part 1 & now 2) just got a bit more interesting with potential third player batting on Rus side but with their own Chinese agenda.
     
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    Chinese are taught not to speak against their government even if they are wrong... violation will invite serious punishment...

    Chinese women and Nanjing !! there must be something special about Chinese women from Nanjing...


    I have worked with Chinese and I have spend sometime in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Taiwan... I can tell they are worst of all in the South East Asian... Chinese are most racist and stingy people...

    Americans will not let loose their control so easily... over zealous China has also made things easier for USA in SCS region and it I clear that China does not stand by any international norms or rulings ... typical of a banana third grade republic...

    Russia is on a economic down slide, I do not see much except occasional poking and destabilizing acts similar to Ukraine ... these will pin down Russia for sometime to come... and probably moving more closure to their another enemy China [this may not be a good scenario from India point of view] ... If Putin is gone pre maturely that will hurt Russia badly ... may lead to more dis integration...

    The real game will be China + Pakistan vs USA + Japan, + Australia + Korea + Philippines + India + Vietnam ...

    There is already thinking of splitting the IOR & Pacific region between the sphere of influence and interoperability ... I see very interesting time ahead ...

    India's under the present government know very well that how to deal with China... they have started talking and starring back to Chinese the same way much to Chinese dis comfort ...
     
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    Interesting points & observations @bose sir.
    I agree with the general direction of your observations.

    Anyway this is probably Obama's last summit.
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    Looks like everybody including Modi, Putin, May and so on, got a redcarpet welcome except the POTUS.
    :pft:
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Ah, so looks like Obama got a taste of his own medicine.

    I remember how last time Obama got his minions, the Canadian PM Stephen Harper (“I guess I'll shake your hand . . .”) and Australian PM Tony Abbott (“I'm going to shirtfront Mr Putin . . .”), to humiliate Vladimir Putin during the G-20 Summit in Australia.

    Now, Obama got a taste of his own medicine.

    I am not saying this was done by the Chinese at the insistence of the Russians, but boy, I'd be lying if I said that I am not pleased to see a bunch of ill-mannered brats receiving some ill-mannered treatment.

    This is the way to teach people, treat others the way you want to be treated.
     
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    Canadians and Australians kind of live in their own "perfect" worlds. They are nothing like the USA when it comes to diplomacy and symbolism.

    Despite all it's shortcomings the US is not only a Military power but also a Cultural power. Even the biggest haters of the US would chase the big American Dream if granted a chance. That is because deep down under we appreciate the American values and relate to them.

    The arrogance showed by the Chinese officials may not have been preplanned or motivated but mostly reactionary, this may very well be a symptom of the disease named "Autocracy".
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    I am fine as long as Modi gets proper treatment.

    P.S.: I agree with the points you made.
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    But my good sir, did you not get the memo, "America is exceptional" or something to that effect. :aww:
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Well, looks like all leaders except Obama will get good treatment. That would make America truly exceptional. :cool1:
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    Not really, several people have returned to India and China, esp. in last decade, after studying/working in the US, including yours truly.

    And american "values"?
    What is that? No such thing.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    You are correct. I do have to accept that the American values are indeed praiseworthy. There is nothing wrong with what @DingDong said. You see, I have high regards for the American values, which I draw directly from the founding fathers, the revolutionaries, and the writers of the US Constitution. The same regard, unfortunately, cannot be extended to modern US foreign policy. Therein lies the difference.
     

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