Future Ready Combat Vehicle tender

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  1. Willy2

    Willy2 Regular Member

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    But if our cold start is more like "blitzkrieg", then it's possible that we would more like to cutoff large paki cities before taking control , like fall of Dhaka , we need lighter tank to pass rivers and stream rolled through field even before we consider entering lewhore and sialkot .........
    So possibly lighter tank like T-90 going to dominate our tank forces in future .
     
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    Quite feasible an idea. Perhaps. The IA's thinking is 80% lighter 50T tanks like the T-90 and the FRCV, with a few elite regiments of Arjun Mk-IIs... The Arjuns can take and dish out serious punishment, while the T-90s flank and spank.

    Old school cavalry tactics. Shock heavy cavalry supported by light cavalry!
     
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  3. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    T90s is upgrade over T72m they share 60% same parts. Rest new or drdo developed parts. Now problem is modern anti tank weapons could take out these tanks unless we employ smart tactics or else, Pak anti armor teams will take them out.

    Lets not underestimate them and use proper armor on our tanks. Thats reason uncle has 70 tone tank, at least crew comes home safe.

    Added later: good tank crew is second only to fighter pilots in training, therefore from light tanks every one is moving to heavy tanks like Arjun, Russia with T14 and Chinese tanks are example of added protection for crew.
     
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  4. Vinod DX9

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    Long ago I went through an article on Soviet open terrain tank warfare strategy. It simplified the thing with sime key points. In a war, T-64 will be at the front. Will take heat and will fire upon enemy, being believed T-64 frontal armour capable of taking direct fire from Western tank in short distance. Hence T-64 will work as both a shock absorber and front line assault weqpon. Whereas T-72s would strike from flank as they could be operated more easily. When T-64 and T-72 would finish best front line tanks of opponent , T-54/55 & T-62 would be mobilized to search and destroy any remaining.

    We too can use it. Arjun Mk II can take out front line Paki tanks like Al Khalid II . T-90 Bhismas can take out as much as possible from flank. Any remaining will be taken out by Ajeyas or FRCV.

    Now, FRCV should be better than Ajeyas. And can be even better than even T-90s too if chosen wisely.

    However, none of them are good for urban warfare. In fact no tank can guarantee 100% protection in urban warfare . For that fast light tanks are much better choice as they can maneuver better than MBTs.
     
  5. Kshithij

    Kshithij Regular Member

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    Urban warfare means missiles, bombs and nukes. This is to be followed by 1 crore artillery shells to level everything.
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    This is not what happen in modern warfare.

    We should use CBU 100 against their armor, decimated their formations, then spread out forces, in such a way that using tactical nukes will be useless.

    Thats when they will panic. BTW nag and helina will make tank battles things of past.
     
  7. Vorschlaghammer

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    Armored tactics in urban warzone and plains are very different.

    First, Without a total war situation, nukes and carpet bombing/shelling is not feasible. Look at Syrian war, Russia has been relying on localized arty support and point air strikes mostly. You can't bombard a city for a week with a billion shells or drop millions of tons of ordnance from air. That was WW2 and Vietnam when political goals were more blunt and straightforward. The typical destroyed city will have rubble all around, which is the ideal terrain for 1-2 man sniper and RPG teams. It's impossible to stop the infiltration of these irregulars. Taking a city will be hands down costly in all aspects for the attacker. The ideal street clearing operation is to be done with infantry working together with modern "Heavy" Tanks and IFVs. The heavy armor is needed to protect against RPG teams. The IFVs will need to pin any contact with Autocannon, AGL, and Co-ax fire, then the Tank will need to put HE rounds in to flatten it. Infantry will need to do room clearing for each building. The whole situation is a headache. Happened in Stalingrad, Hue City, and Aleppo.

    In the plains speed is more important than all-over protection when you can maintain the tempo of the operation.
    This is a video about the overall Wehrmacht Panzer tactics during it's initial successful years.


    Point to be noted is that, this was an era when towed Anti Tank guns were the primary threats for the Panzers, today in a proper war, against a proper enemy, attacking Tanks will face flanking ATGM teams, Pillboxes, hull down enemy tanks, and SADARM rains from above.

    But ultimately it all depends on too many variables like your established armored doctrine, mid level command aggressiveness, acceptable casualty rate, average crew training, terrain, enemy assessment and many more, so these are ultimately speculations technically. Unless you have passed out of the Armored Corps college, as lay men we can only speculate. In my ideal Utopian vision of IA I would have prefered if they kept Arjun as the heavy hitter who can shrug off punishment, then a multipurpose medium platform like the K2 which could be used as MBT, heavy IFV, SP Arty hull, and a light tank and light tracked IFV for the north, and finally rebuild the retired T72s as tank support vehicles like the BMPT. But we all know we neither have the $600b budget nor a clarity of vision in the top brass.
     
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    T-Rex tank to be made by ukraine...........
     

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    This is a proposed tank based on hulls of old t-72 to counter the Armata T-14 of Russia. It seems it is a private venture and not a Ukrainian government sanctioned project till now. It is in design phase right now.
     
  10. Vinod DX9

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    In 2012, @p2prada wrote (on a MRCA type competetion for tanks)
    " Someone mentioned something about an open tender like MRCA. No one will provide us with the kind of ToT that will help us make even 50% of thetank at home let alone the 85% that we achieved with T-90...."

    In FRCV RFI we hoping for same....
     
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    Russia will be upset.

    This action will be seen as indirect financial assistance to Keiv govt.

    Bad choice @tharun bhai.
     
  12. Kshithij

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    Ukraine is incompetent. It just has Russian technology due to Soviet legacy
     

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