Future Ready Combat Vehicle tender

[shuvo@y2k10]

Arjun frontal armour protection 1200 mm RHAe? That's in mk 1 or 2?

In Mk 2 with improved Kanchan armour and with add on NERA and ERA modules add another 250-300 mm (min.) to that value. The weight shot up to 67-68 tons for a valid reason. Don't forget in the 80-90s it was being built to take a point blank range hit from the Pakistani M1A2 abrams tank (which was speculated to be exported to them by USA). Also when the CVRDE says it is comparable to the best western tanks it is not a marketing gimmick but actual results of decades of trial by IA as well as audit by Israeli 3rd party tank experts.
Actually many of the specifications of FRCV tender is from values already acheived in MK 2 but army wants that in 50 ton tank. Unrealistic expectation to say the least.

 

[sayareakd]

New railroad car were which were made for arjun can be used for T 14 also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjun_(tank)
In the specification

No one wuestions that. When standard rail cart is 3.2

 

[sayareakd]

New railroad car were which were made for arjun can be used for T 14 also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjun_(tank)
In the specification

No one question that, what we question is standard military car cant take it. They require Arjun car, then how will you transport Arjun car???

 

[sayareakd]

About autoloader, they are inconvenient as the rounds have to be loaded according to the situation. Sometimes it is anti personnel round while sometimes it is anti tank round while some other time it is thermobaric round. Autoloader will find it difficult to sort these out without having a huge cabin with sorted rounds.

New system, which is computer control can do it. Its just like modern wending machine.

 

[sayareakd]

@sayareakd sir what even is 'Future Ready' the term is pretty vague so far.

They smartly named it to kill FMBT.......Must give credit to them.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Let's just pray that we are slapped with Ames embargo from USA, UK,France,Germany and every goddamn arms exporting country.

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Would save forex fund our MIC and give jobs.

And when war will come we will do what? Tell them to wait till our MIC is fully developed?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

War was and is always going, We fight with weapons made in this country and replenished within this country, Let it be small arms to artillery or logistics vehicles which get us the supply we need so badly, Thanks to the developed national defense industry ..

I am worried what will happen when a full scale go off and we are left with imported weapons which lack spares and bullets ..

Its the other way around ..

And when war will come we will do what? Tell them to wait till our MIC is fully developed?

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

What if this RFI is specifically made for Arjun tanks.

 

[abingdonboy]

No one else think it's weird that after kicking off the FICV that stipulated Indian led consortiums had to bid only, now a RFI is given for FRCV that is effectively just an off the shelf purchase?

Talk about a step backwards.

This is beyond demoralising, not only is IA sabotaging Arjun/DRDO, they are also trying to ensure there is no Indian designed product from the private sector allowed to take part. 100% they have tailored their requirements to an off the shelf import.

So much for "Make in India" or this "super duper" Strategic partnership model and DPP-2016 that favoured "IDDM" (Indian designed and made).

What a JOKE this all is but the media is rubbing their hands in glee, not asking obvious questions. For how long will this $hit be tolerated? From small arms to tanks these clowns want billions to flow into the hands of the foreign OEMs, anytime a Indian solution is created they move the goalposts.

 

[Kshithij]

And when war will come we will do what? Tell them to wait till our MIC is fully developed?

What we will do if war starts? War has already started. There has never been peace for long time. We already have decent technology and MIC as of now and are well capable of hurrying up things if needed. There is however a need to balance the future economy growth and sustenance and defence needs.

This is this balance that is causing delays. Also, if you are concerned about war, real question is not about our MIC but political leadership. The problem is that India is an unnatural country given as a gift rather than because people wanted it. This is a problem

 

[aditya10r]

And when war will come we will do what? Tell them to wait till our MIC is fully developed?

Look we already make warships, aircraft carriers, helicopters, fighter jets, assault rifle, artillery,tanks almost everything.

What the problem is-armed forces don't give enough orders, once these wolves are identified and kicked out or we are embargoed from purchasing arms, the armed forces would be left with no option other than to accept and buy indigenous weapons in numbers.

HAL says it can produce 24 lca every year,if they are supported by private sector and they give away their lethargic attitude these numbers can grow upto 40 jets a year given air force places orders of 300+ jets.

OFB Avadi is capable of producing 140 tanks per year,again supported by armed forces and private sector we can produce 200+ tanks every year.

 

[Kshithij]

Look we already make warships, aircraft carriers, helicopters, fighter jets, assault rifle, artillery,tanks almost everything.

What the problem is-armed forces don't give enough orders, once these wolves are identified and kicked out or we are embargoed from purchasing arms, the armed forces would be left with no option other than to accept and buy indigenous weapons in numbers.

HAL says it can produce 24 lca every year,if they are supported by private sector and they give away their lethargic attitude these numbers can grow upto 40 jets a year given air force places orders of 300+ jets.

OFB Avadi is capable of producing 140 tanks per year,again supported by armed forces and private sector we can produce 200+ tanks every year.

It is better to make the technology for 100% indigenous production and wait for orders. The reason why orders shouldn't be given now is that Indian budget is limited. And a balance between economy and defence has to be maintained. So, funding infrastructure projects etc are more important for now.

It is better to simply not give more orders than necessary to keep the production and expertise alive while developing 100% indigenous content. For example, let us wait till we get bharat pack, kaveri engine, AESA radar before we order more of the tanks, planes etc and end up importing some of the content. At the same time, embargo means that the limited production line is no longer working and we may lose expertise as people forget.

We can produce 100 tanks, 20 Tejas, 40 LCH per day if needed to by diverting resources from civilian manufacturing of automobile. We make about 2.5 crore automobile, 1.7 crore are 2 wheelers, 30 lakh cars and SUVs, 5 lakh trucks, and rest like tempo, JCB, mini-trucks, pickups, buses etc. These resources can always be diverted to war production as seen in WW2.

 

[sorcerer]

EXCLUSIVE DETAILS: All about Indian Army's state-of-the-art tank FRCV
New Delhi: The Indian Army's next main battle tank, the tank for the 2020s, till the middle of this century is the FRCV OR Future Ready Combat Vehicle.

The first photographs of the tank are with TIMES NOW. This is artist's impression of the tank, as per the Indian Army's armoured corps.

Currently, the Indian Army has the T-90 tank and the indigenous Arjun, a heavier tank of over 60 tonnes but the first steps towards a new tank have been taken with the Defence Ministry issuing a Request for Information last week.

The Army has decided on the specifications. The FRCV is expected to be 50 tonnes, "plus or minus 15 percent," top Army sources said. This is to ensure that it can be used in different parts of the country, including Punjab, where the bridges rarely allow a heavier tank. Even across the border in Pakistan, where the tanks are being built to be used if there is war with Pakistan, the bridges on the canals cannot allow heavier tanks. As a result, the only place where tanks that weigh 60 tonnes and more can be used is in the Jaisalmer sector, in the open desert. The FRCV will be designed after discussions with a foreign collaborator and tanks of four different countries are being looked at. They are:

* The Russian T-14 Armata


* The Ukranian Uplot


*The French LeClerc and the


* South Korean K2 Black Panther

The Army expects that it will partner one of the four countries to produce the FRCV in the next decade. All four are in the 50 tonnes vicinity.

A special attempt has been made to keep the weight of the tank to around 50 tonnes and this keeps out several top-of-the-line tanks like the German Leopard and the American M1 Abrams, both of which touch 60 tonnes. The Israeli armoured vehicles are also considered too heavy.


The second stage will the production of the FRCLV. This will be a variant of the FRCV and will weigh about 30 tonnes. This can be used in the Ladakh area and even in Sikkim (the Chinese have already built a formidable light tank), parts of Gujarat like Bhuj, the Andamans and outside the country, if necessary.

The Army's current weight requirement for tanks puts the indigenous Arjun at a disadvantage. Two regiments of 125 tanks are already with the Indian Army and two more asked for, provided the spares situation is better. Again, the Arjun is heavy, at 62 tonnes and the Arjun II could be 68 tonnes. The spares problem arises from the fact that the tank is only one-third indigenous. The engine, for example, is German and the gearbox, French. The high cost--about Rs 44 crores--is also a problem. As a result, the Arjun's use will be limited to the open Rajasthan desert.


http://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...inistry-of-defence-times-now-exclusive/125580

 

[Kshithij]

EXCLUSIVE DETAILS: All about Indian Army's state-of-the-art tank FRCV
New Delhi: The Indian Army's next main battle tank, the tank for the 2020s, till the middle of this century is the FRCV OR Future Ready Combat Vehicle.

The first photographs of the tank are with TIMES NOW. This is artist's impression of the tank, as per the Indian Army's armoured corps.

Currently, the Indian Army has the T-90 tank and the indigenous Arjun, a heavier tank of over 60 tonnes but the first steps towards a new tank have been taken with the Defence Ministry issuing a Request for Information last week.

The Army has decided on the specifications. The FRCV is expected to be 50 tonnes, "plus or minus 15 percent," top Army sources said. This is to ensure that it can be used in different parts of the country, including Punjab, where the bridges rarely allow a heavier tank. Even across the border in Pakistan, where the tanks are being built to be used if there is war with Pakistan, the bridges on the canals cannot allow heavier tanks. As a result, the only place where tanks that weigh 60 tonnes and more can be used is in the Jaisalmer sector, in the open desert. The FRCV will be designed after discussions with a foreign collaborator and tanks of four different countries are being looked at. They are:

* The Russian T-14 Armata


* The Ukranian Uplot


*The French LeClerc and the


* South Korean K2 Black Panther

The Army expects that it will partner one of the four countries to produce the FRCV in the next decade. All four are in the 50 tonnes vicinity.

A special attempt has been made to keep the weight of the tank to around 50 tonnes and this keeps out several top-of-the-line tanks like the German Leopard and the American M1 Abrams, both of which touch 60 tonnes. The Israeli armoured vehicles are also considered too heavy.


The second stage will the production of the FRCLV. This will be a variant of the FRCV and will weigh about 30 tonnes. This can be used in the Ladakh area and even in Sikkim (the Chinese have already built a formidable light tank), parts of Gujarat like Bhuj, the Andamans and outside the country, if necessary.

The Army's current weight requirement for tanks puts the indigenous Arjun at a disadvantage. Two regiments of 125 tanks are already with the Indian Army and two more asked for, provided the spares situation is better. Again, the Arjun is heavy, at 62 tonnes and the Arjun II could be 68 tonnes. The spares problem arises from the fact that the tank is only one-third indigenous. The engine, for example, is German and the gearbox, French. The high cost--about Rs 44 crores--is also a problem. As a result, the Arjun's use will be limited to the open Rajasthan desert.


http://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...inistry-of-defence-times-now-exclusive/125580

Why can't Indian tank be downgraded in armour to make it 50 tons? It is not that India can't make lightly armoured tanks. Don't these people even have brains to think of designing?

 

[itsme]

FRCV doesn't ask for buying tanks but buying design. Simply put, army wants foreign country to help in designing the tank as they want to know what an army want. DRDO also doesn't know what army wants. Indian army is inexperienced in tank combat and doesn't even know what kind of tank is useful. This is the problem - lack of understanding of requirements.

No, they are not inexperienced in tank combat.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Indian Army has a great experience in tank combat but these lessons are only limited to books at NDA and IMA ..

No, they are not inexperienced in tank combat.

 

[Vinod DX9]

Why can't Indian tank be downgraded in armour to make it 50 tons? It is not that India can't make lightly armoured tanks. Don't these people even have brains to think of designing?

Downgraded armouir means inferior armour capabilities. We want a " light armour " not " lightly armoured "

EXCLUSIVE DETAILS: All about Indian Army's state-of-the-art tank FRCV
New Delhi: The Indian Army's next main battle tank, the tank for the 2020s, till the middle of this century is the FRCV OR Future Ready Combat Vehicle.

The first photographs of the tank are with TIMES NOW. This is artist's impression of the tank, as per the Indian Army's armoured corps.

Currently, the Indian Army has the T-90 tank and the indigenous Arjun, a heavier tank of over 60 tonnes but the first steps towards a new tank have been taken with the Defence Ministry issuing a Request for Information last week.

The Army has decided on the specifications. The FRCV is expected to be 50 tonnes, "plus or minus 15 percent," top Army sources said. This is to ensure that it can be used in different parts of the country, including Punjab, where the bridges rarely allow a heavier tank. Even across the border in Pakistan, where the tanks are being built to be used if there is war with Pakistan, the bridges on the canals cannot allow heavier tanks. As a result, the only place where tanks that weigh 60 tonnes and more can be used is in the Jaisalmer sector, in the open desert. The FRCV will be designed after discussions with a foreign collaborator and tanks of four different countries are being looked at. They are:

* The Russian T-14 Armata


* The Ukranian Uplot


*The French LeClerc and the


* South Korean K2 Black Panther

The Army expects that it will partner one of the four countries to produce the FRCV in the next decade. All four are in the 50 tonnes vicinity.

A special attempt has been made to keep the weight of the tank to around 50 tonnes and this keeps out several top-of-the-line tanks like the German Leopard and the American M1 Abrams, both of which touch 60 tonnes. The Israeli armoured vehicles are also considered too heavy.


The second stage will the production of the FRCLV. This will be a variant of the FRCV and will weigh about 30 tonnes. This can be used in the Ladakh area and even in Sikkim (the Chinese have already built a formidable light tank), parts of Gujarat like Bhuj, the Andamans and outside the country, if necessary.

The Army's current weight requirement for tanks puts the indigenous Arjun at a disadvantage. Two regiments of 125 tanks are already with the Indian Army and two more asked for, provided the spares situation is better. Again, the Arjun is heavy, at 62 tonnes and the Arjun II could be 68 tonnes. The spares problem arises from the fact that the tank is only one-third indigenous. The engine, for example, is German and the gearbox, French. The high cost--about Rs 44 crores--is also a problem. As a result, the Arjun's use will be limited to the open Rajasthan desert.


http://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...inistry-of-defence-times-now-exclusive/125580

Quewtions
1) Where is the artist's impression?
2) How do they come to conclusion that potential FRCV candidates are these four as mentioned?
3) How the new light tank be a 30T platform when army officially said they want a 22T platform?
4) Arjun platform is just 1/3 indigenous? How?

 

[Shaitan]

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[Screambowl]

baal safed ho jayenge yeh discuss kar kar key lekin India will never use them

 

[binayak95]

I am getting a feeling that this 58 T weight category is tailor-made for an improved Arjun MK-II. Perhaps, we may end up with a MoD convinced that the Arjun Mk-ii is indeed the best suited and shove down the Army's throat.

Plus, perhaps we are reading too much, maybe the army just wants a universal platform to replace all the T-72s with a tank that can fight at all possible locations.

There was also this new tender for trailers that can support up to 70T weight - looks like it's for the Arjun to me.