Discussion in 'Internal Security' started by parijataka, Oct 7, 2012.
Massive fundraising campaign in west by Sikh separatists to revive terrorism in Punjab
And we claim to be a upcoming supa dupa power,WOW!! When we know that in Pakistan is involved directly into all this like Fake Currency,reviving terrorist,terrorism ? What we are doing for that ? Damn!we are bulling by nimble,much smaller neighbours like Pakistan,Srilanka and bangladesh. Are we so soft that except diplomatic Protest,Chai buiscuit meeting by incompentent Ministers who care nufing but wanted to see there name in newspaper headlines . Start Artillery Fire across the border ,lets see who falls first in western border and show pakis who's the daddy here ..
Most anti-1984 demonstrations held by Sikhs in the west are not pro-khalistan. However it is something pro-Khalistani's take advantage of, and make them their breeding grounds. I will say this time and again, that until Congress doesn't take actions to punish the guilty, this will not end, and may erupt again in the future. And Pakistan will always be there to take advantage.
Most Sikhs I know here in Canada are proud Indians, but Operation Bluestar is something that they will always hold against the country.
We can keep talking about ISI and foreign funding, but we tend to avoid the fact that justice was never done. Mass graves are discovered every now and then in Haryana, Punjab, etc, and when certain people try to raise their voices, they are threatened.
It's a fact. We need to fix our own home before complaining about others.
This is because when Gujarat riot accused got punishment in 10 years and it was celebrated even here but anti sikh riot accused was planning to escape law with congress support and blind eyes of media nor our forum members opens to raise about it,so may be this partiality making them to fight for separate nation
These Sikh organizations has more chances of achieving whatever they want to achieve, if they work for increasing awareness among India masses.
i don't think ISI is involved in fund raising of khalistan in west. today living in EU and UK for the last 10 yrs can say,term khalistan is used only for following
to get asylum
to get grant from west govt
to build gurudawara on govt land
to get subsidy for gurudawara
nothing really done for awareness of sikh religion, attract young sikhs towards religion.
Sources in security agencies have informed about movement of banned Babbar Khalsa International (BKI) and Khalistan Commando Force (KCF) terror groups in western countries with the aim to radicalise Sikh youth by showing them doctored footage of Operation Bluestar and other propaganda materials.
i doubt, ,there was lot bad and heinous happened
agreed. Unfortunately, the 80s & early 90s were a bad time to be a Sikh in India. I don't buy that the footage of Operation Bluestar was "doctored". Especially when the government cut off Punjab from the rest of the country at that time, with no news getting out to other parts of the country about what was actually happening.
Its sad that India's way of dealing with this is by closing its eyes and ears, hoping everyone just forgets it ever happened. Sad, because it doesn't work that way.
80's and 90's were the worst phase for India irrespective of any community. Kashmir Insurgency, NE Insurgency, Maoist Insurgency, Khalistan Insurgency, 5,00,000+ Kashmiri Hindus wee forced to leave valley, Mandal, bankruptcy economy, Political instability, Indira Gandhi Assassination and 84 Anti-Sikh riot.
You need to understand that There was no other alternative but "Operation Bluestar". A group of Terrorist cannot bring country to ransom just because they are hiding in a religious place with lots of arms. Ironically, Those terrorist were the product of Congress to defeat Akali. Nevertheless, Terrorist is a terrorist.
80's and 90's were bad for entire India and not only bad for any particular community.
Yes, justice was denied for 84 riot. India is not responsible but Congress party is the only culprit. Why most of the Sikhs don't demand justice from Manmohan Singh or Amrindar Singh Patila ? 50% Sikhs support Congress.
Justice is denied to every community in India. Hindus or Muslims or Sikhs. Unfortunately, Our Judiciary system is not that efficient + lack of political will due to their involvement. Justice for 84 should be given, rest are Khalistani propaganda by group of misguided Sikhs living in UK and Canada.
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not only that,GOI did break punjab into haryana and himachal..only out of fear
As I have always said. Those terrorists were sitting inside the Golden Temple for 6 months! Why did the government/army wait for 6 months, and all of a sudden attack on a Sikh religious day, Guru Arjan Dev's martyrdom day, when thousands of Sikhs from all over the world come to Golden Temple to pray? Why did they seal off the Golden Temple and not allow anyone to exit and attack on that day? The army used artillery, mortars and tanks to assault a compound full of civilians who weren't allowed to exit the Temple by the army. There were a ~1000 dead civilians in the end. The army commanders were extremely incompetent. Whatever way you look at it, Golden Temple was a big failure and the real winners were the terrorists. Bhinderenwala was not stupid and he knew that he could not militarily defeat the Indian army. He set up a tinderbox for the army to light, and the army was more than willing to light it up with artillery and tank shelling. Op Bluestar started a massive Khalistan insurgency which Bhinderenwala probably did not even imagine. Bhinderenwala was not a Khalistani himself. It were his rivals, the Khalistani Babbar Khalsa, which benefited most as they went from an irrelevant group to the leaders of the Khalistan movement as thousands of Punjabi youth flocked to join them after Bluestar.
from what i understand, it was ultimately the sikhs themselves who wished to have trifurcation of punjab, to preserve the punjabi language, and the sikh identity.
This was at the time when India as a whole was being reorganized on linguistic boundaries. Punjabi was not considered to be a distinct language form Hindi, which irked the Sikh community. When they protested, the reply giving to them was that majority of punjab population (read: hindus) did not support the movement.
And this gave rise to the movement for a Punjabi suba, where Sikhs would be the majority.
Agreed! At the end of the day, no matter how noble the government's intentions were, Bluestar was a big tragedy, and the fact that it occurred on a religious day for Sikhs did not send a good message.
Not supporting/justifying Bhindranwale (I'm not even Sikh), but India messed up bigtime.
There are claims that the govt received intel that the terrorists would announce that punjab was an independent nation and pakistan would actually back them up. I believe the intel was given by russia which sent the govt into panic mode.
I don't agree with that logic for several reasons. For one, Punjab was declared an independent nation right after Bluestar anyways so I don't see how that would've mattered. Secondly, it took the army 4 days to take control of the Temple, despite artillery shelling and tanks. The Pakistanis had plenty of time to intervene if they really wanted to, but it would be suicide for them to do go to war anyways, with a pissed off Russia sitting on their Western borders. I would say that it was either faulty intelligence, or a poor excuse to shy away from taking responsibility.
Punjab Govt Should Take Memorial Issue Seriously: Shinde
Amid opposition to setting up of a controversial Operation Blue Star Memorial, Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde today said Punjab government must "self-introspect" in the light of dark days of militancy the state has suffered and take the matter seriously.
"Punjab has gone through days of terrorism and in view of this, the Punjab government must do self-introspection before taking a decision on the memorial," he told reporters here.
"Government should take the matter seriously," he said when asked about fears that the memorial would "embolden" the extremists and could lead to revival of militancy in the state.
Shiromani Gurudwara Parbhandhak Committee (SGPC) is constructing the memorial on the premises of Golden temple in the memory of those killed during 'Operation Blue Star' launched by the army in 1984 to flush out militants from the shrine.
Punjab Congress had opposed the setting up of the memorial with its chief Amarinder Singh demanding stopping of construction alleging it would stoke violence similar to the London attack on Lt Gen (retd) K S Brar who had led Operation Blue Star.
Brar, who holds strong views against the memorial coming up in the Golden Temple, the most sacred of Sikh shrines, has warned it would become a rallying point for "future terrorists".
"They (the terrorists and pro-Khalistan forces) will be emboldened by this action. What about soldiers who fight for the country, who keep the country strong? I am sure the Centre will not approve of this memorial," he had said.
The BJP, an ally of ruling Akali Dal in Punjab, too has opposed the setting up of the memorial.
Shinde, who was on his first visit to Punjab as Home Minister, also inspected the Integrated Check Post (ICP) at Indo-Pak Attari/Wagah international border here.
He assessed the situation along borders and developmental works at ICP, officials said.
During his visit, he interacted with the traders on problems being faced by them in cross-border trade and assured them that these would be resolved soon.
Shinde said that trade between India and Pakistan would be enhanced with the improvement of modern infrastructure at ICP Attari border.
Shinde said that a total of 13 ICPs would be set up in India and Attari/Wagah is the first ICP which is operational.
He promised early redressal of problems being faced by farmers cultivating agriculture fields adjoining the border with Pakistan.
The infrastructure problems creating hurdles in the way of trade will be dealt forthwith, he said, adding that Attari ICP is to be developed as one of the best international trade locations in the South Asia region.
On the Sino-Indian border issues, he said there was "inadvertent border crossing" and that Indian forces were alert to prevent such incidents.
During the meeting with Customs, Immigration, BSF and other intelligence agencies, Shinde directed them to check cross border smuggling.
He visited certain sensitive BSF posts on border area along with BSF officials. Arlier on reaching at Rajasansi Airport in Amritsar, Shinde was received by Punjab Revenue Minister Bikram Majithia along with MLAs of border areas.
Majithia apprised Shinde of the issues concerning the development of border region, especially in context of creating opportunities to develop Amritsar as a gateway to Central Asia.
Flagging trade related issues that need urgent attention at ICP Attari and at Rail Cargo Terminal Amritsar, Majithia said that considering the sensitivity of Attari Border it is felt that Full Truck Scanners especially for import cargo should be installed immediately at the ICP and Rail Cargo Terminal Amritsar.
He said there have been instances where narcotics have been smuggled through these trade routes. Thus, the installation of the scanners will help in creating foolproof mechanism to check any such illegal activities.
Moreover, with the increase in imports from Pakistan more warehousing space is required both at the ICP and The Rail cargo terminal Amritsar.
He said that the yard being used present at ICP is an open barren piece of land. During extreme climatic conditions the traders face a lot of hardship in loading and unloading cargo from this yard. Hence it is required that a concrete floor should be constructed and the yard be covered.
Highlighting the issues related to farmers of the border region, Majithia sought adequate compensation for the people holding land across barbed wire fencing.
Punjab Govt Should Take Memorial Issue Seriously: Shinde | news.outlookindia.com
what was the souce for this ? even greater bangladesh threat is looming ,so you want all mosques in assam to be attacked like amritsar
No, I don't think anyone will attack Mosques.
It is fashionable to reconstruct Mosques and say that toilets are purer than temples.
Jairam Ramesh said that.
I wonder if he would dare say that Toilets are purer than Mosques.
He would have a riot in his hands!
We must never forget to be chic and elitist in the manner adopted by Jairam Ramesh!
That shows class, I presume!
Far from the Mango people, but very chic!
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