From Mongolia, Clinton Takes a Jab at China

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    US is going hammer and tongs to isolate China.

    Now Ms Clinton is in Mongolia and who knows she maybe giving impetus to the Mongolians to encourage the Mongolians in Inner Mongolia to clamour for reunification.

    Or else why make adverse comments on China, which is already facing internal Communist Party insurrection started by Bo?
     
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  3. roma

    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    nice talk - must be followed-up with nice action - - - how about allowing manufacturing setups in mongolia instead of the usual channelling to dragon ?
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Nothing new. Political will of a nation often cannot be translated to industrial actions. Big corporations act on their best commercial interest, not necessarily in coherence with what Hilary Clinton advocates. Once she leaves Outer Mongolia would continue on tiptoe btwn Russia and China.
     
  5. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The US is taking baby steps.

    Guess who all are investing in Mongolia and who all that defence understandings?


    Apparently not tip toeing to China.

    But trapaising away!
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    So China loses XJ, Tibet, HK and Inner Mongolia?
     
  7. no smoking

    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    Chinese obviously doesn't share your opinion:

    Asking these countries to isolate their biggiest customer?

    Regarding the mongolians in inner mongolia, you need to do some homework of history and tradition:
    They belong to different portions among mongolians.
    They fighted far more war against each other rather than hans.
    Hell, when Qing emperor order the massacre killing every single person of the biggiest tribe in outer mongolia-from childern to women, guess who provided major support. Yes, those mongolians in inner mongolia.
    When outer mongolians declared independence, again, those inner mongolians provided soldiers to build the army trying to stop them.
     
  8. CherrywoodHunter

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    and we are losing beijing and shanghai!
     
  9. Ray

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    It is obvious that I would not be thinking like a Chinese, for if I did, I would be a Chinese and not me.

    Business and strategic necessity are not two peas in a pod. They can run concurrently, even if not complementary. China does business with India, but the strategic equations are hardly similar.

    US has its strategic interest in the Asia Pacific region. There is no second guessing that the US and Chinese strategic interest do not coincides.

    China is a challenge to the US interests not only in the Asia Pacific Region but elsewhere too. Therefore, the jockeying to outdo each other is not unanticipated. The US is out manoeuvring China in Asia Pacific, while China in concert with Russia is putting a spanner in the US’ works in Syria and Iran.

    Now, if China is at loggerheads with the US in Syria and Iran, how would your argument on US being chary to close in on China because of business necessity gel?

    If Hans of China consider themselves as of the same stock, then Mongolians can claim the same distinction.

    Warring amongst each other? Is that something new in any race/ community’s history? Every race/community has a history of internecine strife.

    How did the present China come about? Peacefully?

    Here is something will show you how it came about:

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    Now, go figure your history.

    I might as well help you recollect that Chengiz Khan consolidated the Mongol State and even subjugated parts of China.

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    Genghis Khan's conquest

    This is how (as below) the Mongol Empire fragmented

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    The Kyakhta agreement of 1915 between the Russian empire, Mongolia and the Republic of China "downgraded" the independence of Outer Mongolia to autonomy within China.
     
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  10. no smoking

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    Just I pointed out before most of mistakes you and other indians made are the result of using indian logic to analyse chinese affairs.

    As an old chinese saying: To know your enemy's next move, thinking as your enemy.

    Strategy is always serving economic interest. Any strategy would fail eventually if it cannot generate economic benefit.
    China maybe challenging USA. However, the profit brought be the co-orpation is far beyond these challenge. With Chinese cheap low-end products and financial support, USA is able to continue its expensive military building up and R&D. So far, most of chinese challenges you refer to are economic expansions. USA can stop them at any time if it really think they are damaging its interest. Do you really think that US cannot terminate chinese contracts in africa or latin american when it can control the head of these areas' gov?

    No, Hans don't think they are the same race. We knows, however, they will choose our side if there is any conflict between china and outer mongolia.
    Why we have this confidence?
    Because:
    Historilly, we standed with them in the war fighting those outer mongolians;
    Traditionally, they had far closer relationship with us than outer mongolians. To them, hans were the neighbours living in the next door while those outer mongolians are the strangers of another town;
    Most importantly, we are combined together with economic interest for hundredes years.
     
  11. Ray

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    So, it only the Indians who makes errors in understanding the Chinese?



     
  12. tony4562

    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Inner Mongolia is 80% Han and other ethnicities plus 20% fully-sinisized mongols (oddly enough there are twice as many mongols living in China than they do in outer mongolia). I would say there is greater chance Outer Mongolia returns to China than Inner Mongolia gaining independence.

    China already accounts for most of Outer Mongolia's trade. I think with China's economy expanding further, and Russia increasingly turning against the west, Mongolia will have no choice but to rethink her pro-west policies.
     
  13. Ray

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    The part in bold is day dreams.

    Who will give away their independence to be second class in another country?

    What has economy got to do with this?

    Typical Chinese outlook of boiling everything down to money.

    If that was so, then you would not have the problems in Xinjaing, Tibet, and Chinese part of Mongolia because I learn from you that a whole lot of money is being poured into these areas!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Mongolia - 3,133,318

    Mongolia in China - Population: 4 million (total population including Chinese: 24 million)

    The Mongols comprise around 17% of the total population of Inner Mongolia, which includes many diverse Mongolian-speaking groups, such as the Buryats and the Oirats, all of whom are officially considered as Mongol. According to a 2004 census, 4 million Mongols were living in Inner Mongolia. In addition to this, there are more than half a million Mongols living in other regions of China such as Eastern Turkistan (Xin Jiang) , Khokhnuur ( Qing Hai), Kharamuren ( Hei Long Jiang ), Kirin ( Ji Lin ), Liao Ning, and Bei Jing .

    The Hans have come an settled en mass in Inner Mongolia to change the demography, as they are now doing in Xinjiang and Tibet.
     

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