French Submarine Sinks Entire US Aircraft Carrier Group During Drills

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  1. Lions Of Punjab

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    A series of joint naval drills between the United States and France recently didn’t quite turn out the way the US, no doubt, expected. The practice scenario ended with the French nuclear submarine that was acting the part of an enemy ship “sinking” the American aircraft carrier and most of its escort.

    The exercises took place over 10 days starting in mid-February off the coast of Florida. The French nuclear attack submarine (SNA) — named Saphir — joined US Carrier Strike Group 12, comprising the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (nicknamed the “Big Stick”), several Ticonderoga cruisers or Arleigh Burke destroyers and a Los Angeles class nuclear attack submarine.

    The exercises were meant to test the newly upgraded carrier, which had undergone a four year, $2.6 billion overhaul, ahead of the Strike Group’s deployment.

    “We are going to experience real combat situations from all angles, there will be training evaluations from a hostile ship boarding, submarine attacks, and enemy ships or vessels trying impede their justice upon our strike group,” said Capt. Scott F. Robertson, of the USS Normandy in a statement about the exercises.

    Better Friend Than Foe

    And all those exercises went well while SNA Saphir was on the American side of the imaginary conflict, in which fictional states were attacking US economic and territorial interests. The French sub supported the American vessels in anti-submarine warfare drills.

    However, the second phase of the exercises found the French ship playing on the enemy side, charged with a mission to find and attack the Theodore Roosevelt.

    And so it did, sneaking deep into the defensive screen of the Strike Group, avoiding detection by the American anti-submarine warfare assets, and, on the last day of the drill, “sinking” the Roosevelt and most of it’s escort.

    Aircraft Carriers Iconic, but Vulnerable, Naval Giants

    Aircraft carriers travel with these escorts, and train with submarines, precisely because they are so vulnerable to submarine attacks, the USS Theodore Roosevelt proving no (theoretical) exception.

    “For every sailor who’s not in a submarine, submarines are real scary,” writes David Axe at Real Clear Defense.

    “Stealthy and heavily-armed, subs are by far the most powerful naval vessels in the world for full-scale warfare—and arguably the best way to sink those more obvious icons of naval power, aircraft carriers.”

    The original report on the drills was published March 4 on the website of the French marines under the headline, “Le SNA Saphir en entraînement avec l’US Navy au large de la Floride,” but has since been removed. A link in a Marine National tweet about the drill likewise, leads to a blank page. Parts of the article, however, are reproduced in French language reports.

    French Submarine Sinks Entire US Aircraft Carrier Group During Drills | idrw.org
     
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    Very interesting.

    The Chinese would now snoop and sniff around to find how it was done.

    it also goes a long way to indicate how lethal submarines can be and that Navies require to have a sizable submarine fleet.
     
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    Re: French Submarine Sinks Entire US Aircraft Carrier Group During Dri

    [​IMG]Saphir, the French SSN which virtually sunk the Teddy Roosevelt and most of its escort mid February.
     
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    French submarine Saphir (S602) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Wow this sub? Eye popping for First generation nuke sub. I thought first generation nuke subs would be more noisy.

    In think we need to qualify subs not as 'more or less noisy', rather 'more or less stealthy' is a better comparison.

    Heres another interesting read (diesel sub):
    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/how-to-sink-an-aircraft-carrier-f281fbc518fd

    The chinese sub that simply popped up to surprise the Americans. Was it a diesel for a nuke one?
     
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    I see it from different angle. What, if they published the story to reel in snoopers to catch those who might want to sell or USA has come across intelligence that there are moles with in D of D. Let us see how it unfolds.
     
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    I think the report is not true, US is decades ahead of all the countries, plus they can bug any war machine including nuke subs, combined with their world wide surveillance through satellites and sonars. They can detect any movement of subs world wide.
     
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    Re: French Submarine Sinks Entire US Aircraft Carrier Group During Dri

    If baiting is the intent then there is no need to act in the manner the report came out. Besides if similar feet have been achieved by the Russians, French, Canadian, American, Chinese then there is every possibility that it is true.

    Only the Indians seem missing from the list.
     
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    The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced | Daily Mail Online

    American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

    By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

    Read more: The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced | Daily Mail Online

    It can be sunk..
     
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